Free Agency and Trade Thread - Playoff Edition II

[Its not your fault]

I'm about as serious as this thread.

 

[dubplatepressure]

Would Columbus do a Marner for Jones deal? Addresses the Leaf cap issues and right D.
Who would add? To me, the Leafs would have to add........Maybe Lily, and ask for Josh Anderson back as well.
Thoughts!!!

I'd proposed a framework of Marner for Werenski and Anderson a couple weeks ago... I'd be OK with that.

 

[rumman]

I'd proposed a framework of Marner for Werenski and Anderson a couple weeks ago... I'd be OK with that.

as much as I like both these players, I don't think it's enough for Marner. IF and that's a huge if the Leafs traded Marner it'd have to be a huge over payment, otherwise why give up arguable the Leafs best player?

 

[meefer]

More of a question than a suggestion, is Adam Larsson worth pursuing in a trade? I don’t follow the Oilers. For example: Zaitsev and Kapanen for Larsson and ? (Puljarvi/pool party/whatever ).
If Larsson is an upgrade over Zaitsev, and if Edmonton were intrigued by the idea of Kappy flanking Connor, does something like this fly? Just spitballing here.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

More of a question than a suggestion, is Adam Larsson worth pursuing in a trade? I don’t follow the Oilers. For example: Zaitsev and Kapanen for Larsson and ? (Puljarvi/pool party/whatever ).
If Larsson is an upgrade over Zaitsev, and if Edmonton were intrigued by the idea of Kappy flanking Connor, does something like this fly? Just spitballing here.

Reasonable possibility. However EDM would either need to add or swap Kapanen with Brown. I don't think the Leafs pay full price for Puljujarvi, and if EDM wants that (which is more than fair), then I would say just make it Zaitsev and Brown for Larsson and a pick. I'd rather deal Kappy separately if that is the direction the Leafs go.

 

[rumman]

More of a question than a suggestion, is Adam Larsson worth pursuing in a trade? I don’t follow the Oilers. For example: Zaitsev and Kapanen for Larsson and ? (Puljarvi/pool party/whatever ).
If Larsson is an upgrade over Zaitsev, and if Edmonton were intrigued by the idea of Kappy flanking Connor, does something like this fly? Just spitballing here.

this trade could help both teams, value's about right, might favor the Oilers a wee bit, but if you factor in salaries the Leafs come out ahead.

 

[dubplatepressure]

as much as I like both these players, I don't think it's enough for Marner. IF and that's a huge if the Leafs traded Marner it'd have to be a huge over payment, otherwise why give up arguable the Leafs best player?

I don't disagree with you here. Marner would only potentially be traded if he doesn't drop below $11M in his salary demands. We'd get a lot for him.

 

[Bigmarycombo]

I would love to know who the rumoured big D was that the Leafs were chasing at the deadline. Leafs need to replace Gauthier while adding some sandpaper in that spot. Sparks is obvious.

I would think it was pietrangelo
Toronto boy
Number 1
Right dman

St. Louis was not doing good playoffs were sketchy

I think that trade will be revisited

 

[justafan22]

Going to be interesting to see how the defense looks like in 2020 and beyond.

Next year isn't so bad with Muzzin replacing Gardiner and Rosen replacing Dermott to start the year.

 

[Legion34]

I would think it was pietrangelo
Toronto boy
Number 1
Right dman

St. Louis was not doing good playoffs were sketchy

I think that trade will be revisited

I would have to think he re signs in st l. Now. Maybe If they had missed the playoffs.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

I'd proposed a framework of Marner for Werenski and Anderson a couple weeks ago... I'd be OK with that.

I'm not holding my breath waiting for a trade like that to happen though. No idea what CBJ will do in the off season, but doing some free agent shopping for forwards would seem like a possibility. Doubt if Werenski is going anywhere and you need to draft a defender like that typically.

 

[Gabriel426]

I'd proposed a framework of Marner for Werenski and Anderson a couple weeks ago... I'd be OK with that.

Rather get Seth Jones for Marner straight up.
Honestly, would be interesting to see what’s going to happen at Columbus. Won’t be surprised to see them make a few trades to retool.

 

[Dreakmur]

More of a question than a suggestion, is Adam Larsson worth pursuing in a trade? I don’t follow the Oilers. For example: Zaitsev and Kapanen for Larsson and ? (Puljarvi/pool party/whatever ).
If Larsson is an upgrade over Zaitsev, and if Edmonton were intrigued by the idea of Kappy flanking Connor, does something like this fly? Just spitballing here.

Yes, Larsson is worth pursuing. He is an upgrade over Zaitsev.

No, Edmonton won’t want Zaitsev in return. They have enough cap problems.

 

[Legion34]

Yes, Larsson is worth pursuing. He is an upgrade over Zaitsev.

No, Edmonton won’t want Zaitsev in return. They have enough cap problems.

Meh it’s almost a straight up swap. They need defensemen. If CJ is to be believed. Then larson is on his way out. They have both decided a change of scenery is necessary

 

[Bigmarycombo]

I would have to think he re signs in st l. Now. Maybe If they had missed the playoffs.

I think he wants to come home

 

[dubplatepressure]

Interesting that the final 4 teams all have no players over $8M/year. Speaks to their front office efficiency. Our recent signings:

- Mathews 6 years @ 11.634m
- Nylander 6 years @ 7m
- Rosen 2 years @ 750k
- Ennis 1 year deal @ 650k
- Tavares 7 years @ 11m
- Hyman 4 years @ 2.25m
- Marleau 3 years @ 6.25m
- Hainsey 2 years @ 3m
- McIlhenney 2 years @ 850k
- Zaitsev 7 years @ 4.5m
- Ben Smith 1 year @ 650k
- Matt Martin 4 years @ 2.5m
- Kadri 6 years @ 4.5m
- Rielly 6 years @ 5m

It's interesting that Boston, over the last 5-6 years, has decided to move on from players like Kessel, Seguin, and Thornton (a little longer ago). Carolina let Skinner walk and traded Lindholm and Hanafin for Hamilton, Ferland, and Fox, and aquired Terrevainen through trade. St Louis traded Thompson, Sobotka, and Berglund as well as a 1st and 2nd for O'Reilly, traded B Schenn for Lehtera and 2 1sts. San Jose has recently traded for Evander Kane, Erik Karlsson, and Gus Nyquist. Each have done a fair amount of tweaking until they get it right.

Not all of these are cap moves, but some clearly are designed to make lateral moves while improving their cap space.

The biggest trade we've seen recently is Muzzin for no roster players. Prior to that Andersen for a 1st and a 2nd, and the Phaneuf trade.

Seems like we might be due for a big move this summer.

 

[Dreakmur]

Meh it’s almost a straight up swap.

Even if the contracts were the same, Larsson would be a lot more valuable.

They need defensemen.

So why is Larsson available.

Edmonton needs a lot of things. Wingers and cap space are probably higher than defensemen.

If CJ is to be believed. Then larson is on his way out. They have both decided a change of scenery is necessary

That doesn't mean they will give him away for nothing.

He's a really good #3, maybe a #2, which is similar to Jake Muzzin.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Interesting that the final 4 teams all have no players over $8M/year. Speaks to their front office efficiency. Our recent signings:

- Mathews 6 years @ 11.634m
- Nylander 6 years @ 7m
- Rosen 2 years @ 750k
- Ennis 1 year deal @ 650k
- Tavares 7 years @ 11m
- Hyman 4 years @ 2.25m
- Marleau 3 years @ 6.25m
- Hainsey 2 years @ 3m
- McIlhenney 2 years @ 850k
- Zaitsev 7 years @ 4.5m
- Ben Smith 1 year @ 650k
- Matt Martin 4 years @ 2.5m
- Kadri 6 years @ 4.5m
- Rielly 6 years @ 5m

It's interesting that Boston, over the last 5-6 years, has decided to move on from players like Kessel, Seguin, and Thornton (a little longer ago). Carolina let Skinner walk and traded Lindholm and Hanafin for Hamilton, Ferland, and Fox, and aquired Terrevainen through trade. St Louis traded Thompson, Sobotka, and Berglund as well as a 1st and 2nd for O'Reilly, traded B Schenn for Lehtera and 2 1sts. San Jose has recently traded for Evander Kane, Erik Karlsson, and Gus Nyquist. Each have done a fair amount of tweaking until they get it right.

Not all of these are cap moves, but some clearly are designed to make lateral moves while improving their cap space.

The biggest trade we've seen recently is Muzzin for no roster players. Prior to that Andersen for a 1st and a 2nd, and the Phaneuf trade.

Seems like we might be due for a big move this summer.

Without the usual bickering but that is part of the motivation in a deal like Nylander for Pesce to me. I have liked Pesce quite a bit for some time now and the cap savings I think help the crunch next year and put us in a position moving forward to grab other players to actually make roster improvements.

 

[dubplatepressure]

Without the usual bickering but that is part of the motivation in a deal like Nylander for Pesce to me. I have liked Pesce quite a bit for some time now and the cap savings I think help the crunch next year and put us in a position moving forward to grab other players to actually make roster improvements.

I'm all for it but range of opinion on Pesce's value varies considerably, some who feel Nylander is not nearly enough alone for him.

 

[Fogelhund]

Interesting that the final 4 teams all have no players over $8M/year. Speaks to their front office efficiency. Our recent signings:

- Mathews 6 years @ 11.634m
- Nylander 6 years @ 7m
- Rosen 2 years @ 750k
- Ennis 1 year deal @ 650k
- Tavares 7 years @ 11m
- Hyman 4 years @ 2.25m
- Marleau 3 years @ 6.25m
- Hainsey 2 years @ 3m
- McIlhenney 2 years @ 850k
- Zaitsev 7 years @ 4.5m
- Ben Smith 1 year @ 650k
- Matt Martin 4 years @ 2.5m
- Kadri 6 years @ 4.5m
- Rielly 6 years @ 5m

It's interesting that Boston, over the last 5-6 years, has decided to move on from players like Kessel, Seguin, and Thornton (a little longer ago). Carolina let Skinner walk and traded Lindholm and Hanafin for Hamilton, Ferland, and Fox, and aquired Terrevainen through trade. St Louis traded Thompson, Sobotka, and Berglund as well as a 1st and 2nd for O'Reilly, traded B Schenn for Lehtera and 2 1sts. San Jose has recently traded for Evander Kane, Erik Karlsson, and Gus Nyquist. Each have done a fair amount of tweaking until they get it right.

Not all of these are cap moves, but some clearly are designed to make lateral moves while improving their cap space.

The biggest trade we've seen recently is Muzzin for no roster players. Prior to that Andersen for a 1st and a 2nd, and the Phaneuf trade.

Seems like we might be due for a big move this summer.

No doubt, we are due for some big moves this summer, though it should be noted, that we've already signed three Euro UFA's, to replace our depth.

Also to note, Boston signed guys at the right time. 10.69% of the cap for Bergeron... signed Pasta after only one good year, and signed Marchand before his numbers really jumped.

Carolina is going to have to pay Aho a good chunk, so again it's timing for them. He's easily going to get above $8 million.

San Jose will be paying Karlsson large this offseason, likely $11 million there, or thereabouts.

St. Louis - Tarasenko was signed at 10.27% of the cap, and only had one good season behind him at that point. O'Reilly is at 10.5% of the Cap too.

Our guys, Nylander, Matthews, Marner have all had two and three good seasons behind them. Tavares was a UFA, and he'd get paid no matter where he'd sign. Nylander is at 9.x% of the cap, based on his average cap hit for the six years, though it's at 8.7% in years two to six. Our guys had more good seasons, when their contracts came due... that's pretty much all it comes down to.

 

[WTFMAN99]

I'm all for it but range of opinion on Pesce's value varies considerably, some who feel Nylander is not nearly enough alone for him.

And some want a massive plus with Pesce.

 

[The Podium]

No doubt, we are due for some big moves this summer, though it should be noted, that we've already signed three Euro UFA's, to replace our depth.

Also to note, Boston signed guys at the right time. 10.69% of the cap for Bergeron... signed Pasta after only one good year, and signed Marchand before his numbers really jumped.

Carolina is going to have to pay Aho a good chunk, so again it's timing for them. He's easily going to get above $8 million.

San Jose will be paying Karlsson large this offseason, likely $11 million there, or thereabouts.

St. Louis - Tarasenko was signed at 10.27% of the cap, and only had one good season behind him at that point. O'Reilly is at 10.5% of the Cap too.

Our guys, Nylander, Matthews, Marner have all had two and three good seasons behind them. Tavares was a UFA, and he'd get paid no matter where he'd sign. Nylander is at 9.x% of the cap, based on his average cap hit for the six years, though it's at 8.7% in years two to six. Our guys had more good seasons, when their contracts came due... that's pretty much all it comes down to.

People who recognize context is refreshing around here

 

[Legion34]

Even if the contracts were the same, Larsson would be a lot more valuable.



So why is Larsson available.

Edmonton needs a lot of things. Wingers and cap space are probably higher than defensemen.



That doesn't mean they will give him away for nothing.

He's a really good #3, maybe a #2, which is similar to Jake Muzzin.

My understanding is he doesn’t want to be there. They referenced the death of his father at a game or something. Similar and that both sides want to move on.

They need RHD and a winger to play with Mcdavid. Larson has been a whipping boy this year in Edmonton. I’m not sure what his value is. But a RHD on a similar contract at a similar age.

Change of scenery trade. Edmonton
Updgrades at wing. Drops down at RHD.

Something like Z and Kappy/brown for Larson and kassian might work.....

 

[sittler rules!!!]

Of course it's possible but they trade PK Suban before they trade Jones.

Huh!!! PK Subban is in Columbus??

 

[Menzinger]

Mirtle (in the comments section of all places) mentioned at the Athletic that several teams had indicated that they could be into move vet top four D men because of salary concerns.

If the Leafs manage to shed a bit of salary on their own they could go potentially have some interesting options before then