Free Agency and Trade Thread - Playoff Edition II

[Magic Man]

If we're trading for Larsson I wouldn't give up any more than Johnsson + Brown and I'd try and include Zaitsev and Kassian in the deal.

 

[Dreakmur]

If we're trading for Larsson I wouldn't give up any more than Johnsson + Brown

That might be enough to get it done. It certainly benefits Toronto... and likely benefits Edmonton.

and I'd try and include Zaitsev and Kassian in the deal.

I really don't see Edmonton taking Zaitsev under any circumstances. They have enough contract problems already.

 

[SnizzNasty88]

I’d give up a lot for Matt Dumba, I think he’s an absolute stud and has a great contract too. Need I mention that he’s right handed and has an absolute clap titty bomb, something we were sorely lacking before Muzzin arrived here.

Would easily give up something like. Nylander, Liljegren and Brown for Dumba and Marcus Foligno

 

[Antropovsky]

I could see Brown becoming a 50-60 point player with Mcdavid. Brown hit the ground running in the AHL, in the NHL he did the same thing with a 20 goal 36 point rookie season.

He has untapped potential, but I think his confidence is shook. Reminds me of when Wilson tried to turn Steen into a selke center in one season... destroying his offensive confidence (he later rebounded in St.Louis of course.)

Not comparing Brown to Steen, but I do think that Brown has untapped offensive ability. I do not mind trading him.. however Johnsson + Brown for Larsson could be a scary trade for us in the long run.. .considering Johnsson is coming off a rookie of the year award in Sweden... an MVP calder winning performance, and a 20 goal 43 point NHL rookie season. Not to mention he was one of the few men Boston players hated in the recent postseason series.

I know we have a lot of depth.. but both Brown and Johnsson were hard workers in the B - Series. I'd prefer a Kadri for Larsson swap at this point. Considering Kadri has been -4.5 million of cap space for 2 postseasons now. I'll get flamed but Kadri's lack of speed, size and conditioning makes me think he will regress sooner than later.

However, if we are trading Brown for Larsson, I'd rather it be us including a pick with Brown. BUT this is not Gretzky anymore, it's Holland... whom as already said that he likes the teams solid defense core. So I doubt he will be making a drastic move.. that could look Chia like immediately into his tenure.

Hyman Tavares Marner
Johnsson Matthews Bracco
Kapanen Nylander Brown
Moore Gauthier Mikheyev

Ennis/Korshkov/Petan

Rielly Larsson
Muzzin Zaitsev
Rosen Liljegren/Borgman

Andersen
Hutch/Sparks

Dermott IR*

 

[aingefan]

I think they were in on Yelesin too and he signed with Calgary. Wedin is a little older and just turned it on this year. I'm not even sure why there was interest, saves a contract spot for something more useful.

Shame about Yelesin.

 

[TML1967]

Rachel Doerrie was on the Leafs on Deck podcast. It was pretty great going over a ton of things, some real insight into Dubad, Keefe and the general mentality around the teams prospects.

Also made a really interesting comment on Zaitsev, Marleau, Brown.

Zaitsev she said she knows for 100% certain their are teams who want him. Not like as part of getting a payday to take him, but who value him. If this is true, completely changes the offseason issues. Moving Zaitsev for anything and picking up even a Pysyk type would be great for our D and cap. I want to say she said Vancouver was possible.

Marleau she talks about being the Leafs dad, him being a huge positive on the young guys, and she cant see him being moved. Kind of hurts the cap for next year but if it helps the young guys keep progressing it makes sense.

Brown, she says will be gone and likely to Edmonton for a decent return.

Anyway, if you guys have a chance listen to her talk. She had a short stint of working for the Leafa and spent some time with the NJD.

 

[Cherry Picker]

Rachel Doerrie was on the Leafs on Deck podcast. It was pretty great going over a ton of things, some real insight into Dubad, Keefe and the general mentality around the teams prospects.

Also made a really interesting comment on Zaitsev, Marleau, Brown.

Zaitsev she said she knows for 100% certain their are teams who want him. Not like as part of getting a payday to take him, but who value him. If this is true, completely changes the offseason issues. Moving Zaitsev for anything and picking up even a Pysyk type would be great for our D and cap. I want to say she said Vancouver was possible.

Marleau she talks about being the Leafs dad, him being a huge positive on the young guys, and she cant see him being moved. Kind of hurts the cap for next year but if it helps the young guys keep progressing it makes sense.

Brown, she says will be gone and likely to Edmonton for a decent return.

Anyway, if you guys have a chance listen to her talk. She had a short stint of working for the Leafa and spent some time with the NJD.

Thanks bro, checking it out now

 

[ACC1224]

Rachel Doerrie was on the Leafs on Deck podcast. It was pretty great going over a ton of things, some real insight into Dubad, Keefe and the general mentality around the teams prospects.

Also made a really interesting comment on Zaitsev, Marleau, Brown.

Zaitsev she said she knows for 100% certain their are teams who want him. Not like as part of getting a payday to take him, but who value him. If this is true, completely changes the offseason issues. Moving Zaitsev for anything and picking up even a Pysyk type would be great for our D and cap. I want to say she said Vancouver was possible.

Marleau she talks about being the Leafs dad, him being a huge positive on the young guys, and she cant see him being moved. Kind of hurts the cap for next year but if it helps the young guys keep progressing it makes sense.

Brown, she says will be gone and likely to Edmonton for a decent return.

Anyway, if you guys have a chance listen to her talk. She had a short stint of working for the Leafa and spent some time with the NJD.

Sounds like all the same things we've been hearing all along.

 

[TML1967]

Sounds like all the same things we've been hearing all along.

I think she confirms some things we have heard. The main difference is unlike most people who are random people online or 'insiders' she actually worked on the team.

She also gets into the skills development side of things extensively (which I love) and talks about how our prospect pool is night and day vs where it was in 2016 even, and not just the big names.
Has a love in on Barb Underhill and Bellfry(sp?) Our skills coach.

 

[Cor]

I’ve said for a while that Zaitsev and Brown can be moved quite easily.

Botchford (RIP) said earlier in the year that he can see Vancouver interested in Zaitsev, as they want some size on their right side.

It’s speculated that Zaitsev was close to dealt at the deadline, when Toronto was working on the blockbuster, but there was a snag with a third move that was needed, so none of it happened.

I have a theory that Zaitsev was traded, the blockbuster was set up, and the Leafs were working on the Brown to EDM deal to free up the last bit of cap needed, but EDM just wanted to give us Brandon Manning, which actually made us gain cap, instead of Khaira like we wanted.

I think we are going to see A LOT happen right when the finals are over.

We’ve seen Dubas being very aggressive in the Euro/NCAA/CHL market already. We’ve signed what, 3 to ELC’s and then Brazeau to an AHL deal which pays him ELC money. We know that 2 or 3 others that have signed, the Leafs were in on.

I think Dubas is pissed. I think the productive conversation he and Babcock had was more of a one-way thing. Dubas told him the assistants will need to be replaced, and that changes to the special teams and usage need to happen.

 

[rumman]

article on what to do with Nylander:

https://thehockeywriters.com/maple-leafs-dilemma-what-to-do-with-william-nylander/

 

[WTFMAN99]

I’ve said for a while that Zaitsev and Brown can be moved quite easily.

Botchford (RIP) said earlier in the year that he can see Vancouver interested in Zaitsev, as they want some size on their right side.

It’s speculated that Zaitsev was close to dealt at the deadline, when Toronto was working on the blockbuster, but there was a snag with a third move that was needed, so none of it happened.

I have a theory that Zaitsev was traded, the blockbuster was set up, and the Leafs were working on the Brown to EDM deal to free up the last bit of cap needed, but EDM just wanted to give us Brandon Manning, which actually made us gain cap, instead of Khaira like we wanted.

I think we are going to see A LOT happen right when the finals are over.

We’ve seen Dubas being very aggressive in the Euro/NCAA/CHL market already. We’ve signed what, 3 to ELC’s and then Brazeau to an AHL deal which pays him ELC money. We know that 2 or 3 others that have signed, the Leafs were in on.

I think Dubas is pissed. I think the productive conversation he and Babcock had was more of a one-way thing. Dubas told him the assistants will need to be replaced, and that changes to the special teams and usage need to happen.

Just wanted to add that we've heard 4 names now on Brown - Benning, Khaira, Kassian and I guess Manning now.

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

I always feel excitement for our offseasons. Hope it'll translate to playoff excitement soon.

 

[Al14]

I always feel excitement for our offseasons. Hope it'll translate to playoff excitement soon.

I have little to no excitement for this offseason. Our Leafs are moving into Cap hell that will surely cause the loss of talent and depth. Losing that talent and depth does not bode well for next season's playoffs, if they even make the playoffs.

I'm not happy about the greediness on display by so few young stars that have taken this team nowhere. $40.0M for 4 players against the cap will leave very little cap room to surround those 4 players with a quality supporting cast.

Our Leafs may very well be locked into becoming an above averge mediocre team.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

I’ve said for a while that Zaitsev and Brown can be moved quite easily.

Botchford (RIP) said earlier in the year that he can see Vancouver interested in Zaitsev, as they want some size on their right side.

It’s speculated that Zaitsev was close to dealt at the deadline, when Toronto was working on the blockbuster, but there was a snag with a third move that was needed, so none of it happened.

I have a theory that Zaitsev was traded, the blockbuster was set up, and the Leafs were working on the Brown to EDM deal to free up the last bit of cap needed, but EDM just wanted to give us Brandon Manning, which actually made us gain cap, instead of Khaira like we wanted.

I think we are going to see A LOT happen right when the finals are over.

We’ve seen Dubas being very aggressive in the Euro/NCAA/CHL market already. We’ve signed what, 3 to ELC’s and then Brazeau to an AHL deal which pays him ELC money. We know that 2 or 3 others that have signed, the Leafs were in on.

I think Dubas is pissed. I think the productive conversation he and Babcock had was more of a one-way thing. Dubas told him the assistants will need to be replaced, and that changes to the special teams and usage need to happen.

Well the only thing that I know is that I doubt Dubas moves Zaitsev without getting someone as good or better than him, and to do that, you are probably getting a guy with a similar or greater cap hit (I.e. it wouldn't be a pure cap dump move).

 

[Brown Dog]

Anybody have any favourite dumpster diving options for the bottom six forwards, 5-7 defense, or backup goalie? This year's version of Ennis?

 

[TML Dynasty]

Rachel Doerrie was on the Leafs on Deck podcast. It was pretty great going over a ton of things, some real insight into Dubad, Keefe and the general mentality around the teams prospects.

Also made a really interesting comment on Zaitsev, Marleau, Brown.

Zaitsev she said she knows for 100% certain their are teams who want him. Not like as part of getting a payday to take him, but who value him. If this is true, completely changes the offseason issues. Moving Zaitsev for anything and picking up even a Pysyk type would be great for our D and cap. I want to say she said Vancouver was possible.

Marleau she talks about being the Leafs dad, him being a huge positive on the young guys, and she cant see him being moved. Kind of hurts the cap for next year but if it helps the young guys keep progressing it makes sense.

Brown, she says will be gone and likely to Edmonton for a decent return.

Anyway, if you guys have a chance listen to her talk. She had a short stint of working for the Leafa and spent some time with the NJD.

was a good listen, thanks for posting

 

[Menzinger]

I have little to no excitement for this offseason. Our Leafs are moving into Cap hell that will surely cause the loss of talent and depth. Losing that talent and depth does not bode well for next season's playoffs, if they even make the playoffs.

I'm not happy about the greediness on display by so few young stars that have taken this team nowhere. $40.0M for 4 players against the cap will leave very little cap room to surround those 4 players with a quality supporting cast.

Our Leafs may very well be locked into becoming an above averge mediocre team.

Imo inthink it's a false choice of equating salarybwith quality deoth.

The league minimum Johnsson was several tiers above the 6+ mil Marleau this season.

The challenge for managment is to ensure the flow of cheap skies depth pieces to fill out the lineup. Not easy but workable imo

 

[Menzinger]

article on what to do with Nylander:

https://thehockeywriters.com/maple-leafs-dilemma-what-to-do-with-william-nylander/

This article reads like it was written by copying and pasting some of the worst hot takes on these boards

 

[Menzinger]

Rachel Doerrie was on the Leafs on Deck podcast. It was pretty great going over a ton of things, some real insight into Dubad, Keefe and the general mentality around the teams prospects.

Also made a really interesting comment on Zaitsev, Marleau, Brown.

Zaitsev she said she knows for 100% certain their are teams who want him. Not like as part of getting a payday to take him, but who value him. If this is true, completely changes the offseason issues. Moving Zaitsev for anything and picking up even a Pysyk type would be great for our D and cap. I want to say she said Vancouver was possible.

Marleau she talks about being the Leafs dad, him being a huge positive on the young guys, and she cant see him being moved. Kind of hurts the cap for next year but if it helps the young guys keep progressing it makes sense.

Brown, she says will be gone and likely to Edmonton for a decent return.

Anyway, if you guys have a chance listen to her talk. She had a short stint of working for the Leafa and spent some time with the NJD.

Two of the constant talking points from the media has been how potentially moveable that Marleau and Zaitsev contracts are.

Mirtle for example on a recent podcasts suggested Leafs fans are in for a surprising summer regarding those and other contracts. Will just need to wait and see i suppose

 

[Cor]

Well the only thing that I know is that I doubt Dubas moves Zaitsev without getting someone as good or better than him, and to do that, you are probably getting a guy with a similar or greater cap hit (I.e. it wouldn't be a pure cap dump move).

So right now, our lineup for next season is;

Rielly - XXXXX
Muzzin - Zaitsev
Rosen - Dermott

If we trade Zaitsev, we look like;

Rielly - XXXXX
Muzzin - Dermott
Rosen - XXXXX

That 3RHD spot can be filled internally, with a Liljegren, Holl, even Borgman playing with Rosen (one of them playing RHD), or we can look at a guy like Tim Heed in free agency, or even bringing back Hainsey on a 1 year deal.

So that leaves our to do list being getting a partner for Rielly, with say, 3.5M more cap space then we did previously.

Anybody have any favourite dumpster diving options for the bottom six forwards, 5-7 defense, or backup goalie? This year's version of Ennis?

Carl Hagelin and Derrick Brassard will be interesting players in free agency. Both had very poor years, and coming off deals where they made a lot of money, similar to Tyler Ennis. So, they may take 1 year deals on the cheaper side in a good situation to try and cash in next year and rebuild their stock.

Tim Heed is a guy I'd love to pick up for defense.

Anthony Stolarz is a guy I'm intrigued by on the goaltending side of things. He's a big guy, with good movement. He's been stuck on two not so good teams so far, and still has a career .908 through his first 25 games. Could it be a Dubnyk situation where it took him getting a chance with a stable organization before he broke out? I'd be willing to give him a shot.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

So right now, our lineup for next season is;

Rielly - XXXXX
Muzzin - Zaitsev
Rosen - Dermott

If we trade Zaitsev, we look like;

Rielly - XXXXX
Muzzin - Dermott
Rosen - XXXXX

That 3RHD spot can be filled internally, with a Liljegren, Holl, even Borgman playing with Rosen (one of them playing RHD), or we can look at a guy like Tim Heed in free agency, or even bringing back Hainsey on a 1 year deal.

So that leaves our to do list being getting a partner for Rielly, with say, 3.5M more cap space then we did previously.



Carl Hagelin and Derrick Brassard will be interesting players in free agency. Both had very poor years, and coming off deals where they made a lot of money, similar to Tyler Ennis. So, they may take 1 year deals on the cheaper side in a good situation to try and cash in next year and rebuild their stock.

Tim Heed is a guy I'd love to pick up for defense.

Anthony Stolarz is a guy I'm intrigued by on the goaltending side of things. He's a big guy, with good movement. He's been stuck on two not so good teams so far, and still has a career .908 through his first 25 games. Could it be a Dubnyk situation where it took him getting a chance with a stable organization before he broke out? I'd be willing to give him a shot.

Yeah. So trade him for cap space to get a great top pairing guy. That makes sense. However that's pretty much the only scenario IMO.

 

[pspot]

leafs arent in a position to offer cap relief but Colin Miller seems to be an ideal target
futures for miller, brown for futures?

 

[SeaOfBlue]

leafs arent in a position to offer cap relief but Colin Miller seems to be an ideal target
futures for miller, brown for futures?

Colin Miller is not ideal.

 

[Rielly4]

Colin Miller is not ideal.

hes a solid 2nd pairing D but thats not what we need.