Value of: Framework of a Auston Matthews trade?

[kinghock]

Toronto needs a cultural change.

They're actually stuck with a bunch of talented offensive players that put their own stats at the very top of their priorities.

Matthews being the kingpin in that regard.

They'd need a hearth and soul player that put the team first to show them the way.

They need depth, grit and character. They need a talented young RHD for their top 4.

I would see a fit in LA for A. Matthews.

A. Matthews

For

Danault + Matt Roy + Gabe Vilardi + Brant Clarke + 2024 1st + conditional 2025 2nd


Danault is exactly what the Leafs need comes the playoff, a centrer that does all the little things a coach wants, even more so in the playoffs: eat the toughest minutes against the best opposite players with positive results, win faceoffs, put team success first.

Vilardi is a big local boy.

Clarke is a talented young RHD. OHL product.

Matt Roy is a big, gritty and tough defenseman to play against. Custom made for the playoffs.

Danault, Roy and Vilardi salaries would facilitate the trade.

Toronto needs a cultural change, but LA does need a cultural change to get your useless playoff performer.
You can keep him.

 

[Kingspiracy]

Toronto needs a cultural change.

They're actually stuck with a bunch of talented offensive players that put their own stats at the very top of their priorities.

Matthews being the kingpin in that regard.

They'd need a hearth and soul player that put the team first to show them the way.

They need depth, grit and character. They need a talented young RHD for their top 4.

I would see a fit in LA for A. Matthews.

A. Matthews

For

Danault + Matt Roy + Gabe Vilardi + Brant Clarke + 2024 1st + conditional 2025 2nd


Danault is exactly what the Leafs need comes the playoff, a centrer that does all the little things a coach wants, even more so in the playoffs: eat the toughest minutes against the best opposite players with positive results, win faceoffs, put team success first.

Vilardi is a big local boy.

Clarke is a talented young RHD. OHL product.

Matt Roy is a big, gritty and tough defenseman to play against. Custom made for the playoffs.

Danault, Roy and Vilardi salaries would facilitate the trade.

holy f*** that batman.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

holy f*** that batman.

Leaf fans going to be very disappointed if matthews does get traded lol

On the plus side at least he left byfield out.

 

[caymanmew]

I'd guess the template for a trade is the Karlsson trade. A top player going into the last year of their deal with no extension in place. Karlsson is a bit older (28 at the time vs 26 for Matthews next season) but Karlsson had a better playoff record with a crazy good postseason the year before.


Ottawa got a...
Top prospect (Josh Norris)
Young NHL defenseman (Dylan DeMelo - 24)
Young middle 6 forward (Chris Tierney - 23)
B Prospect (Rudolfs Balcers)
1st round pick (expected to be late first but shit happens)
2nd round pick


So expect a top prospect, late first, a couple of depth players, and maybe a little extra quantity added on. Could be a Tkachuk-type trade but that seems less likely to me.

 

[staveNsteel]

Well I am thinking that it is for a 25 year old 50ish goal guy and likely top 5 player in the NHl. So as painful as it is, its worth it.

As a Habs fan I would absolutely give up Slaf and Guhle as part of a trade for Matthews if the team was further along in the development process. 25yr old 1Cs with ppg+ seasons and a 40 goal floor, don't grow on trees.

Everyone seems to be so down on him because of his playoff run.. I get his 2nd round wasn't great, but that was an issue with Keefe playing his depth players at the wrong times and a lot of bad puck luck. He still ended up with 11pts in 11gp which is a fine stat line for a snake bitten rd2.

He is still right up there with the MacKinnon's and Draisaitl's in terms of talent and team importance. I get a guy like Matt Tkachuk seems to be everyone's new favorite gem.. but I still take Matthews over his m 10/10 times (and again, coming from a Habs fan).

Matthews is the type of player that EVERY team and GM in the league would want.. but the fanbases are far too stubborn to admit that and love to tear him down.

 

[lionsDen]

Toronto needs a cultural change.

They're actually stuck with a bunch of talented offensive players that put their own stats at the very top of their priorities.

Matthews being the kingpin in that regard.

They'd need a hearth and soul player that put the team first to show them the way.

They need depth, grit and character. They need a talented young RHD for their top 4.

I would see a fit in LA for A. Matthews.

A. Matthews

For

Danault + Matt Roy + Gabe Vilardi + Brant Clarke + 2024 1st + conditional 2025 2nd


Danault is exactly what the Leafs need comes the playoff, a centrer that does all the little things a coach wants, even more so in the playoffs: eat the toughest minutes against the best opposite players with positive results, win faceoffs, put team success first.

Vilardi is a big local boy.

Clarke is a talented young RHD. OHL product.

Matt Roy is a big, gritty and tough defenseman to play against. Custom made for the playoffs.

Danault, Roy and Vilardi salaries would facilitate the trade.

That’s probably one of the most insured proposals I’ve read on this board…

Sheesh

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

As a Habs fan I would absolutely give up Slaf and Guhle as part of a trade for Matthews if the team was further along in the development process. 25yr old 1Cs with ppg+ seasons and a 40 goal floor, don't grow on trees.

Everyone seems to be so down on him because of his playoff run.. I get his 2nd round wasn't great, but that was an issue with Keefe playing his depth players at the wrong times and a lot of bad puck luck. He still ended up with 11pts in 11gp which is a fine stat line for a snake bitten rd2.

He is still right up there with the MacKinnon's and Draisaitl's in terms of talent and team importance. I get a guy like Matt Tkachuk seems to be everyone's new favorite gem.. but I still take Matthews over his m 10/10 times (and again, coming from a Habs fan).

Matthews is the type of player that EVERY team and GM in the league would want.. but the fanbases are far too stubborn to admit that and love to tear him down.

The biggest limiting factor to Matthews value will be where he is willing to extend longterm. Every team would want him, but he won't want every team.

I'd guess the template for a trade is the Karlsson trade. A top player going into the last year of their deal with no extension in place. Karlsson is a bit older (28 at the time vs 26 for Matthews next season) but Karlsson had a better playoff record with a crazy good postseason the year before.


Ottawa got a...
Top prospect (Josh Norris)
Young NHL defenseman (Dylan DeMelo - 24)
Young middle 6 forward (Chris Tierney - 23)
B Prospect (Rudolfs Balcers)
1st round pick (expected to be late first but shit happens)
2nd round pick


So expect a top prospect, late first, a couple of depth players, and maybe a little extra quantity added on. Could be a Tkachuk-type trade but that seems less likely to me.

This is a bit of revisionism.

- Norris was a very good, but not really considered a top prospect. I dont think I saw a single person speak to the kind of goal-scoring ability he's shown in the NHL and I would be surprised if he was top 30 on many/any prospect rankings before the trade.
- DeMelo was a fringe NHL D who had just gone unqualified as an RFA (and subsequently signed) by San Jose earlier that summer. He turned out well but he would have been competing for SJ's #6 job with Simek, Heed, and Ryan, who all played 30+ games, had he not been dealt.
- Tierney was a 3rd liner of decent repute.

I also think its worth noting that Karlsson was not extended immediately, plus Ottawa was kicking off a major rebuild whereas Toronto is firmly in the middle of a window.

 

[EastVillageBlues]

To Arizona:
-Matthews

To Toronto:
-6th overall 2023 (will get a great player like Smith or Michkov)
-Guenther
-Geekie

OR

-Cooley
-6th overall

OR
-Keller
-Cooley/6th overall


I don’t think I’d give up more than that if I’m Arizona, but maybe a small add like a 2nd/B Prospect/decent roster player.

I don't see the Coyotes giving up that much.

If he is to be moved, think the Eichel situation would be a good comparable. So the value should be similar to what the Sabres got.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Leaf fans going to be very disappointed if matthews does get traded lol

On the plus side at least he left byfield out.

I won't be disappointed.

 

[kinghock]

Toronto needs a cultural change.

They're actually stuck with a bunch of talented offensive players that put their own stats at the very top of their priorities.

Matthews being the kingpin in that regard.

They'd need a hearth and soul player that put the team first to show them the way.

They need depth, grit and character. They need a talented young RHD for their top 4.

I would see a fit in LA for A. Matthews.

A. Matthews

For

Danault + Matt Roy + Gabe Vilardi + Brant Clarke + 2024 1st + conditional 2025 2nd


Danault is exactly what the Leafs need comes the playoff, a centrer that does all the little things a coach wants, even more so in the playoffs: eat the toughest minutes against the best opposite players with positive results, win faceoffs, put team success first.

Vilardi is a big local boy.

Clarke is a talented young RHD. OHL product.

Matt Roy is a big, gritty and tough defenseman to play against. Custom made for the playoffs.

Danault, Roy and Vilardi salaries would facilitate the trade.

You want to get from Kings six quality assets (players and draft picks).
Total contracts price of these pieces is about 15 million dollars.
All of these asset’s LA should trade for one not very useful in playoffs player with the same 15 million dollars contract.
I am sure LA will be very accommodating.

 

[TOGuy14]

You want to get from Kings six quality assets (players and draft picks).
Total contracts price of these pieces is about 15 million dollars.
All of these asset’s LA should trade for one not very useful in playoffs player with the same 15 million dollars contract.
I am sure LA will be very accommodating.

If Leaf’s were looking to move Matthews I assume They are doing a quick retool and rebuild. If that is the case we would even take on the Peterson contract which would be a huge win for LA

I think some combination of Byfield, Clarke picks and Peterson could work for both sides

I assume if the Leafs do this they burn it all down though and flip Marner too

Really risky but it is an opportunity to do a 2 year rebuild with a whole new stacked core

 

[7even]

Toronto needs a cultural change.

They're actually stuck with a bunch of talented offensive players that put their own stats at the very top of their priorities.

Matthews being the kingpin in that regard.

They'd need a hearth and soul player that put the team first to show them the way.

They need depth, grit and character. They need a talented young RHD for their top 4.

I would see a fit in LA for A. Matthews.

A. Matthews

For

Danault + Matt Roy + Gabe Vilardi + Brant Clarke + 2024 1st + conditional 2025 2nd


Danault is exactly what the Leafs need comes the playoff, a centrer that does all the little things a coach wants, even more so in the playoffs: eat the toughest minutes against the best opposite players with positive results, win faceoffs, put team success first.

Vilardi is a big local boy.

Clarke is a talented young RHD. OHL product.

Matt Roy is a big, gritty and tough defenseman to play against. Custom made for the playoffs.

Danault, Roy and Vilardi salaries would facilitate the trade.

If the Leafs' stars had their individual stats as their first priority they would've won a Cup by now. The problem is precisely that they under-produce relative to how much of the cap they take up. No contending team's forward corps turns opposing goalies into flash Smythe contenders at a higher clip than Toronto's.

 

[Breakers]

Maybe 3 teams can touch the structure of a contract that Toronto would offer according a former Newport agent

 

[MagicalRazor]

if he wants to go home

keller + Hayton

JT moves up to #1 Center
Hayton fills the hole at #2

keller’s looking like he wants a trade anyways, He would fill the hole and be an upgrade to Bunting

 

[kinghock]

If Leaf’s were looking to move Matthews I assume They are doing a quick retool and rebuild. If that is the case we would even take on the Peterson contract which would be a huge win for LA

I think some combination of Byfield, Clarke picks and Peterson could work for both sides

I assume if the Leafs do this they burn it all down though and flip Marner too

Really risky but it is an opportunity to do a 2 year rebuild with a whole new stacked core

I think some combination of Byfield, Clarke and picks will not work for Kings.
Toronto should keep Matthews and his incoming huge contract for themselves.

 

[sittler rules!!!]

Leafs would likely ask/demand Thompson rather than Skinner and Savoie ...but, its one of the more realistic offers on here.
if it was Dahlin rather than Power, it may even get it done, but, personally, i'd prefer Power ...i think he's going to be great

Hell freezes over before Buffalo would do that

 

[cowboy82nd]

To all those posters saying Matthews is basically a UFA, when was the last time a player of Matthews caliber and skill was traded without working out an extension with the team trading for him ? Deal in reality not your fan fiction.

What about Matthews hitting is UFA status and then leaving ala John Tavares.

 

[Legion34]

I don't see the Coyotes giving up that much.

If he is to be moved, think the Eichel situation would be a good comparable. So the value should be similar to what the Sabres got.

Eichel had a debilitating neck injury. Hadn’t played in a year and was demanding a “controversial” neck surgery.

Eichel has had a great playoff. But Matthews still outscored his career year this year playing through injuries.

They are in no way comparable

What about Matthews hitting is UFA status and then leaving ala John Tavares.

He won’t come back and deal with contract stuff. He hates it. He even said it’s important to him to have a contract sorted out this summer

 

[Byrddog]

This is all up to Mathew's . What the Leafs want is a non factor because AM holds all the cards. From what many around the league are reporting that he is 2/3 out the door. But then again money talks if the Leafs make an offer that can’t be turned dow AM wins. If he played through the contract without being resigned he will walk.

If this were not the case these threads would not be here. AM is going to win in the end reguardless. Mathew’s will turn any roster around the problem will be if the gaining team has the cap to pay depth players.

If the Leafs do in fact trade him the return is not going to be what fans want. Mathew’s is going to do what is in his interest. If it is to a team he wants to play with long term he will extend before the trade and the Leafs get a better return but I’m betting the teams on his list will not be able to fit him in without blowing up there core. The other teams that would not be his first choice he will be a one year rental lessening what the Leafs could get. If I were betting he plays out his last year in Toronto and walks. He knows he’s going to get stupid money anywhere he plays.

 

[Legion34]

This is all up to Mathew's . What the Leafs want is a non factor because AM holds all the cards. From what many around the league are reporting that he is 2/3 out the door. But then again money talks if the Leafs make an offer that can’t be turned dow AM wins. If he played through the contract without being resigned he will walk.

If this were not the case these threads would not be here. AM is going to win in the end reguardless. Mathew’s will turn any roster around the problem will be if the gaining team has the cap to pay depth players.

If the Leafs do in fact trade him the return is not going to be what fans want. Mathew’s is going to do what is in his interest. If it is to a team he wants to play with long term he will extend before the trade and the Leafs get a better return but I’m betting the teams on his list will not be able to fit him in without blowing up there core. The other teams that would not be his first choice he will be a one year rental lessening what the Leafs could get. If I were betting he plays out his last year in Toronto and walks. He knows he’s going to get stupid money anywhere he plays.

Show one quote that he is 2/3 out the door? Wveey major insider is saying he still wants Toronto

 

[nhlfan9191]

Show one quote that he is 2/3 out the door? Wveey major insider is saying he still wants Toronto

Of course he’s saying that. His NMC doesn’t kick in for another month.

 

[Magic Man]

Toronto needs a cultural change.

They're actually stuck with a bunch of talented offensive players that put their own stats at the very top of their priorities.

Matthews being the kingpin in that regard.

They'd need a hearth and soul player that put the team first to show them the way.

They need depth, grit and character. They need a talented young RHD for their top 4.

I would see a fit in LA for A. Matthews.

A. Matthews

For

Danault + Matt Roy + Gabe Vilardi + Brant Clarke + 2024 1st + conditional 2025 2nd


Danault is exactly what the Leafs need comes the playoff, a centrer that does all the little things a coach wants, even more so in the playoffs: eat the toughest minutes against the best opposite players with positive results, win faceoffs, put team success first.

Vilardi is a big local boy.

Clarke is a talented young RHD. OHL product.

Matt Roy is a big, gritty and tough defenseman to play against. Custom made for the playoffs.

Danault, Roy and Vilardi salaries would facilitate the trade.

If he won't stay in Toronto, my guess is LA would be one of the few teams he'd seriously consider. Locking him in early would make a lot of sense for them. It makes sense to look for possible options here, as a deal stands a good chance of happening imo.

I would tweak the deal to look like so..

Kempe + Vilardi + Clarke + 2024 1st rd. pick

for

Matthews (With Extension)

I think coming away with those 4 pieces set the Leafs up well in a retool. All young first round quality assets with control for 9 years of one of the top-10 players in the league. I like Roy as a fit too for the purposes of the Leafs retool, but I didn't want to be greedy. He's not a deal breaker for me, like these assets would be.

 

[kinghock]

If he won't stay in Toronto, my guess is LA would be one of the few teams he'd seriously consider. Locking him in early would make a lot of sense for them. It makes sense to look for possible options here, as a deal stands a good chance of happening imo.

I would tweak the deal to look like so..

Kempe + Vilardi + Clarke + 2024 1st rd. pick

for

Matthews (With Extension)

I think coming away with those 4 pieces set the Leafs up well in a retool. All young first round quality assets with control for 9 years of one of the top-10 players in the league. I like Roy as a fit too for the purposes of the Leafs retool, but I didn't want to be greedy. He's not a deal breaker for me, like these assets would be.

Matthews is average playoff performer with possible 13-15 million contract. For all the time he was in Toronto he proved that he is not difference maker during playoff time. LA biggest problems are defense, goaltending and not enough physicality. They need money to sign their own free agents (Gavrikov, Vilardi and Kupari). If Matthews will be signed by Kings, LA will have no ability to have deep and talented roster needed for contending team. There is simply no way LA will trade Kempe + Vilardi + Clarke + 2024 1st rd. pick for Matthews. Mathews is luxury and not a glaring need for Kings. Toronto fans wants to fix their team problem by destroying another team. I do not think Kings management that stupid that they will trade for Matthews.

 

[RogerRoger]

Show one quote that he is 2/3 out the door? Wveey major insider is saying he still wants Toronto

It'd be nice to know where he's getting it that he's 2/3 out of the door, but what players say is rather useless. Tkachuk wanted to stay, Gaudreau was emphatic he was going to stay, Dubas said it's Toronto or nothing and he is/was visiting Pitts last week.

You can't hold them to what they say because they mostly want to avoid a media circus if they even hint that there is a % that they won't be back. Heck, Lindholm is not enthusiastic enough about re-signing according to some, so they want him gone right away.

 

[Legion34]

It'd be nice to know where he's getting it that he's 2/3 out of the door, but what players say is rather useless. Tkachuk wanted to stay, Gaudreau was emphatic he was going to stay, Dubas said it's Toronto or nothing and he is/was visiting Pitts last week.

You can't hold them to what they say because they mostly want to avoid a media circus if they even hint that there is a % that they won't be back. Heck, Lindholm is not enthusiastic enough about re-signing according to some, so they want him gone right away.

Lindholm just proves your point. He openly said he has one year left and will evaluate. Tkachuk literally told them to trade him because he isn’t extending. Dubas said that he wasn’t going to leave and pop up somewhere else (ie lead the leafs on) but he got fired so that’s completely different.

Telling your boss you aren’t looking for another job goes out the window when you are fired. That’s kinda silly.

Matthews said he wants to be In Toronto, it is important for him to get a contract done this summer. He said he isn’t worried and the contract will get worked out. He said this knowing things are “up in the air” with dubas (his words) and the team coming back

That’s very different.

Of course he COULD be lying. He could hate the new gm. Or the moves he makes.

But right now there is literally zero evidence he is 2/3 out the door. Every major insider has said he loves Toronto and wants to sign. They have said he wants to sign for 4-5 years and this is the plan.

They don’t say that about every ufa. They came out of o rielly saying he doesnt want to stay or at least wants to rest ufa. They said that bunting Hyman and Campbell were out.

So it’s just not true. He very well could leave. But there is no evidence to suggest it is likely.