Proposal: Fowler for a Jets winger

[Snowman]

You think a top pairing defenseman is closer in value to bottom 6ers and B prospects than top 6 wingers and A prospects?

We're talking about Fowler not a top pairing D- man.

 

[MMC]

We're talking about Fowler not a top pairing D- man.

If you don't think Fowler can play the top pairing you've clearly never watched him.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

If you don't think Fowler can play the top pairing you've clearly never watched him.

He can play it but I wouldn't value him as it. He's best used as 2/3 guy... no team is going to trade for Fowler at a top pairing dmen price

 

[MardyBum]

If we're trading Dano or someone i'd rather it be for a similar age Dman ready to step in, and Fowler is worth more than any of them right now.

 

[Kalv]

We're talking about Fowler not a top pairing D- man.

We`ll just keep our borderline Top4 defenseman then, thanks

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Jets need defense and Ducks need wingers and need to reduce costs. Would any of these forwards work for Fowler?
Most are less than $1 million cap hit range:

Shawn Matthias $2,300,000
Alexander Burmistrov. $1,550,000
Chris Thorburn $1,200,000
Marko Dano $925,000
Andrew Copp $925,000
Brandon Tanev $925,000
Joel Armia. $894,167
Brendan Lemieux $870,000
Quinton Howden $850,500
Adam Lowry $828,333
Nicolas Petan $758,333
Chase De Leo $720,833
Scott Kosmachuk $720,000
Anthony Peluso $675,000
James Lodge $668,333
JC Lipon

Not a chance, none of those make an appropriate starting point for Fowler.

Despres is the guy we can offer if that's the only ammo you have to move (Despres for Lowry).

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

We`ll just keep our borderline Top4 defenseman then, thanks

Hey jets know defense... I mean they felt trouba could be fair value for lindholm

 

[howkie]

Oh brother, Fowlers value is close to Troubas value, and I doubt we would take boarderline wingers for Trouba.. Some Jets fans are making Leafs fans look good :/

 

[Maukkis]

Not a chance, none of those make an appropriate starting point for Fowler.

Despres is the guy we can offer if that's the only ammo you have to move (Despres for Lowry).

Until Despres plays for a good while and shows that he's healthy, I really doubt that teams want to take on him and his contract.

 

[Hunter368]

Even if we accept any of that as true, no piece in the OP is close to worth a 24 year old #3 defensman.

He's 2/3, he's much better piece then the ones listed in original thread not as good a piece as ones listed later... def not worth an ehlers or Laine... I think Connors or wheeler could be starter points if jets were in dire need of a defender

Ok, a Ducks fan and Avs fan.....both seem more reasonable then others here who have already called Fowler a #1 D and estimated his value close to a top 5 RW and a elite prospect. Unreal, not even worth responding to those types of posts that border on troll posts.

Don't get me wrong I would trade for Fowler (stated this in the past as well) but only for the right price. Let's forget debating if he's a 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 Dman, likely won't agree. He has two years left before bolting via UFA, we can't negotiate any contract extension before trade b/c CA, Winnipeg is a small market and less then ideal weather for some......so let's agree he's highly likely to bolt in two years.

That all being stated I understand Ducks need a cheap top 9 forward (I could be wrong), not sure where you now stand cap wise (last I looked you were tight) plus your a budget team. So what would you think is a reasonable price for the Jets to pay and I'll agree or disagree.

 

[Snowman]

If you don't think Fowler can play the top pairing you've clearly never watched him.

As we've all said before, playing above where he should doesn't make him top pairing.

 

[Hunter368]

If you don't think Fowler can play the top pairing you've clearly never watched him.

Stuart played top pairing for us a few times during injuries.....doesn't make him top pairing.

 

[dracom]

Stuart played top pairing for us a few times during injuries.....doesn't make him top pairing.

Completely unrelated. Fowler has played on our top pairing for years and the Ducks have been one of the top teams during those years. Stuart is only playing to pairing because of injuries.

 

[Hunter368]

As we've all said before, playing above where he should doesn't make him top pairing.

Agreed.....if that were true we have 2-3 top 4 Dman to trade as well. Starting with Stuart....

 

[dracom]

Ok, a Ducks fan and Avs fan.....both seem more reasonable then others here who have already called Fowler a #1 D and estimated his value close to a top 5 RW and a elite prospect. Unreal, not even worth responding to those types of posts that border on troll posts.

Don't get me wrong I would trade for Fowler (stated this in the past as well) but only for the right price. Let's forget debating if he's a 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 Dman, likely won't agree. He has two years left before bolting via UFA, we can't negotiate any contract extension before trade b/c CA, Winnipeg is a small market and less then ideal weather for some......so let's agree he's highly likely to bolt in two years.

That all being stated I understand Ducks need a cheap top 9 forward (I could be wrong), not sure where you now stand cap wise (last I looked you were tight) plus your a budget team. So what would you think is a reasonable price for the Jets to pay and I'll agree or disagree.

Where have you even seen these kind of posts? Because I'm willing to bet that no Ducks fan have said anything close to that.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Or you undervalue him...

No, no. We're pretty sure you overvalue him. We could only debate about by how much.

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[WhatTheDuck]

Until Despres plays for a good while and shows that he's healthy, I really doubt that teams want to take on him and his contract.

If he does return to form he's a heck of a lot more valuable than Lowry. It's a buy low situation.

 

[Hunter368]

Completely unrelated. Fowler has played on our top pairing for years and the Ducks have been one of the top teams during those years. Stuart is only playing to pairing because of injuries.

Dracom we've debated before, I respect your opinion but I don't agree Fowler is top pairing. You were forced to play him top pairing on a very good team otherwise.....this doesn't make him top pairing quality. Yes I agree about Stuart, I was just making a point how a player being forced to play above their skill level doesn't truely make that good.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I like Dano but we could probably do better. There'd have to be a pretty big add to him. Detroit fans have offered Tatar and Bruins fans have offered Spooner. Those players are more in line with his value.

Fans, schmans! What have the GM's offered?

Are the Ducks willing to hold out for a better return on Fowler until they lose Lindholm or Rakell?

Think of it as Fowler for Dano and Rakell. Or Fowler for _____ and Rakell.

 

[dracom]

Dracom we've debated before, I respect your opinion but I don't agree Fowler is top pairing. You were forced to play him top pairing on a very good team otherwise.....this doesn't make him top pairing quality. Yes I agree about Stuart, I was just making a point how a player being forced to play above their skill level doesn't truely make that good.

So Fowler being forced to play top pairing on a good team means he's not top pairing quality? I don't see the logic. Had he been forced to play top pairing on a bad team, I would get that, but on a good team? Don't get it.

People keep saying the Ducks are a good team so that ends up devaluing some of our players (Fowler, Lindholm, Andersen), but the players on that team have to make that team good. If Fowler wasn't a top pairing quality player, the Ducks would not have been one of the top teams the past few years with him playing top pairing minutes.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Fowler is a lot closer in value to Connor, Ehlers, Laine, and Wheeler than those guys

Please, give your head a shake. You don't get those guys for Lindholm who is twice the player Fowler is. This is why this conversation with Ducks fans is so much fun.

 

[dracom]

Fans, schmans! What have the GM's offered?

Are the Ducks willing to hold out for a better return on Fowler until they lose Lindholm or Rakell?

Think of it as Fowler for Dano and Rakell. Or Fowler for _____ and Rakell.

Why are we losing Rakell or Lindholm? If you're trying to suggest by an OS, then that would have happened already. Since it hasn't, I highly doubt it will. The Ducks own their rights, so the two can either sit out the rest of the season and wait until dumping salary is easier, or they re-sign. Either way, we're not losing them.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Fans, schmans! What have the GM's offered?

Are the Ducks willing to hold out for a better return on Fowler until they lose Lindholm or Rakell?

Think of it as Fowler for Dano and Rakell. Or Fowler for _____ and Rakell.

Still other options and Fowler still has value better then what was listed even in a desperate state.

 

[dracom]

Please, give your head a shake. You don't get those guys for Lindholm who is twice the player Fowler is. This is why this conversation with Ducks fans is so much fun.

Lindholm doesn't get Connon or Ehlers, really? Maybe give your head a shake

 

[WesMcCauley]

fowler for ehlers seems fair for me as an outsider.