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eXile3 said:
if Dubas was serious about giving Sid one more run before he retires he should have kept Jake. Dude is elite.
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Problem is you'd have to give him 8 years when you're closing shop after 1 or 2.
Jake wasn't interested in a short-term deal.

It was the right move. They weren't sniffing a Cup in any timeline.
 
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AuroraBorealis said:
Problem is you'd have to give him 8 years when you're closing shop after 1 or 2.
Jake wasn't interested in a short-term deal.

It was the right move. They weren't sniffing a Cup in any timeline.
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The team won’t be good for the next several years after Sid so it really doesn’t matter.

It really only made sense if they were starting a rebuild.
 
Peat said:
The thing about international sport though is that once a population base is large enough to support getting the necessary number of elite performers, there's only so much more that more does. Which Canada more or less does. Unless the US development program starts chucking out a Crosby/McDavid every three years, for me it's hard to say they'll pull decisively ahead. And so far they've not produced one. Some great players, but nobody on that level.
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Don’t agree. Canada is 1/10th of the size of the US but the player pool for each country is roughly the same (550kish). Over 50-100 years the US is going to double, triple them in people playing and begin to produce even more elite talent. Only thing holding the US back is lack of widespread access to rinks/ice time.

On the bolded - not concerned with that in the near term. NTDP is in what year ~20? Imagine what things will look like when it’s 2080 and the US has 1.3 million players to draw from.
 
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CheckingLineCenter said:
Don’t agree. Canada is 1/10th of the size of the US but the player pool for each country is roughly the same (550kish). Over 50-100 years the US is going to double, triple them in people playing and begin to produce even more elite talent. Only thing holding the US back is lack of widespread access to rinks/ice time.

On the bolded - not concerned with that in the near term. NTDP is in what year ~20? Imagine what things will look like when it’s 2080 and the US has 1.3 million players to draw from.
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So I’ve heard that USA hockey made a lot of adjustments to their development strategy a few decades ago. Some called attention to half ice practices for under 9 players so that they touch the puck more.

I have been involved in USA hockey in…a long time. Not sure if anyone has more recent experience?
 
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eXile3 said:
The team won’t be good for the next several years after Sid so it really doesn’t matter.

It really only made sense if they were starting a rebuild.
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There is no such thing as a year where it doesn't matter what you do with your cap. That's just an attitude fans take because rebuilds bore them and they're desperate for short-term gratification. But GM's can't afford to think that way.
There is always a way to funnel caps towards hunting for championships. It's just a matter of how long the process takes. Whether you're tops in the league or 32nd, it's still the job of the GM to progress the team towards a Cup, every single year.

Jake would take up 72 million over 8 years...money you could be using towards stockpiling picks.
The only thing he'd do for the team is make them draft worse at a time where they're completely out of contention already. It's also at a time where their draft capital should be their #1 priority.
It's the complete opposite of what they should be doing. More indulgence in the core's feelings. We've seen where that road leads the last few years.

They've been done for a long time and need to direct all their focus towards the future. Enough with the pretending. In life you have to know when to fold.
 
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AuroraBorealis said:
There is no such thing as a year where it doesn't matter what you do with your cap. That's just an attitude fans take because rebuilds bore them and they're desperate for short-term gratification. But GM's can't afford to think that way.
There is always a way to funnel caps towards hunting for championships. It's just a matter of how long the process takes. Whether you're tops in the league or 32nd, it's still the job of the GM to progress the team towards a Cup, every single year.

Jake would take up 72 million over 8 years...money you could be using towards stockpiling picks.
The only thing he'd do for the team is make them draft worse at a time where they're completely out of contention already. It's also at a time where their draft capital should be their #1 priority.
It's the complete opposite of what they should be doing. More indulgence in the core's feelings. We've seen where that road leads the last few years.

They've been done for a long time and need to direct all their focus towards the future. Enough with the pretending. In life you have to know when to fold.
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Right but that only works if you’re rebuilding. Dubas’ most recent quotes make it seem he’s trying to be competitive sooner than later and in that instance you just keep Jake.
 
AuroraBorealis said:
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I don't think the US will throw the Sweden game, but their motivation won't be as high, as they're already in the Final.
That opens the door for Sweden to take it.
Will be interesting to see who gets the other spot.

The tie-breakers, in order: H2H > RW > ROW > GD > GF
There's others put in place in case 3 teams tie, but that's no longer mathematically possible, and thus moot.
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If Canada wins in regulation they are in because they would have beaten Finland and Sweden.
 
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As I understand it, if anyone wins in regulation in the earlier game, Sweden is out. Would be pretty interesting if the game is tied late.
 
CheckingLineCenter said:
Don’t agree. Canada is 1/10th of the size of the US but the player pool for each country is roughly the same (550kish). Over 50-100 years the US is going to double, triple them in people playing and begin to produce even more elite talent. Only thing holding the US back is lack of widespread access to rinks/ice time.

On the bolded - not concerned with that in the near term. NTDP is in what year ~20? Imagine what things will look like when it’s 2080 and the US has 1.3 million players to draw from.
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US has already passed Canada in participation. Cost, rink closures/disrepair, ice availability, etc all playing contributing factors.
 
It was weird watching team USA sit on that lead in the third Pens style but unlike the Pens they easily shut it down. I guess having Hellebuyck and that team helps. Canada had no answers.
 
Pancakes said:
It was weird watching team USA sit on that lead in the third Pens style but unlike the Pens they easily shut it down. I guess having Hellebuyck and that team helps. Canada had no answers.
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I'm starting to think that Sullivan is a great coach when his team has an abundance of great players because the Penguins were great when they had all the talent that they had for the 2016 and 2017 Cup runs. Since that his dwindled away Sully can't do anything with what he has. I'm not making excuses for him but it seems to me like he really needs an optimal situation to have a chance to be able to thrive.

A coack like Torts can make chicken salad out of chicken ****, despite all his warts. Sully can take a good situation and make it great or make a great situation better.
 
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Ignatius said:
I'm starting to think that Sullivan is a great coach when his team has an abundance of great players because the Penguins were great when they had all the talent that they had for the 2016 and 2017 Cup runs. Since that his dwindled away Sully can't do anything with what he has. I'm not making excuses for him but it seems to me like he really needs an optimal situation to have a chance to be able to thrive.

A coack like Torts can make chicken salad out of chicken ****, despite all his warts. Sally can take a good situation and make it great or make a great situation better.
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Could be a thing where having stronger assistant coaches is helping as well. Sully did his best work when Tocchet was here. Now he's got Hynes and Torts. Maybe he just needs a stronger supporting cast.
 
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BusinessGoose said:
All we need is a stacked team full of skill and speed and clutch goaltending and we're back in business with Sullivan!

He's so dreamy! Makes the best out of the best!
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Well yea... this is sully's problem. He's yields to crusty vets over youth. Most coaches who have a tenured position are the same as well. The only thing that will keep this from happening with a tenured coach is a strong GM that is wholly in charge of organization; which the Pens haven't had since they dumped JR over Sully.
 
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