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RobertKron said:
Honestly, I think that one might be it when you consider that it’s in context of Brandon Sutter coming in to alleviate Horvat of having to generate offense.
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They dealt primarily an offensive center in Bonino for defensive center Sutter. Same Bonino who at seemed to show some kind of chemistry with Vrbata whenever they were on the same line. Willie should've told Jethro wtf are you doing?
 
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Hit the post said:
They dealt primarily an offensive center in Bonino for defensive center Sutter. Same Bonino who at seemed to show some kind of chemistry with Vrbata whenever they were on the same line. Willie should've told Jethro wtf are you doing?
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Has there ever been any indication that WD didn’t think this was a real good move?
 
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Hit the post said:
Just seemed to go against logic about not wanting to put too much pressure on a future major piece/ member to have to be more offensive when you weaken the team in that department (going from Bonino to Sutter).
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Sutter did 20 goals Bonino only did 15 and Sutter skate fast zoom
 
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Bonino disappeared in the 2015 playoffs, so I understand to some extent, why they moved on from him. I think current management would have shipped him out too. Replacing him with Sutter wasn't necessarily a bad idea either. Sutter was totally ill-suited for the role they had in mind for him, though. And signing him to a big contract before he'd done anything at all was laughably stupid..
 

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David Bruce Banner said:
Bonino disappeared in the 2015 playoffs, so I understand to some extent, why they moved on from him. I think current management would have shipped him out too. Replacing him with Sutter wasn't necessarily a bad idea either. Sutter was totally ill-suited for the role they had in mind for him, though. And signing him to a big contract before he'd done anything at all was laughably stupid..
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Beating a dead horse (which I can't seem to resist) but ya. People forget how slow Bonino looked in series against Calgary. It probably wasn't his fault in hindsight but he didn't do anything to help. Bonino also had a terrible start to his Penguins career before Kessel was put on his line.

As for Sutter, I don't think you can say he was ill-suited for the role they had in mind for him given that management and Willie had different ideas. I think management thought they were getting a durable player who can handle the tough defensive matchups while also having some offensive upside. It didn't work out that way. I never understood the contract signing criticism. It's routine to acquire a pending UFA and sign him to an extension. It's not like the guy was unproven as a 3C. He was making $3.3M before the extension. Keep in mind that Sutter was the roster player the Gillis' Canucks targeted in the Kesler trade so the Canucks pro scouting staff has liked Sutter for a while. Outside of a rental situation, I would expect our team spending significant assets to acquire a pending UFA to try and negotiate an extension.
 

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Tanner Pearson nets a PTO with the Knights.....I'd be surprised if there's a place for him, but then Vegas is my pick to start sliding backward in the Pacific. Too many veteran players who are aging out; and nothing in the pipeline thanks to all the splashy deals for guys to help them win 'now'.
 
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I had a moment where I totally forgot about Travis Green being named Ottawa's head coach. :laugh:

I was on his wiki page and literally said "what the f***?"
 
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F A N said:
Beating a dead horse (which I can't seem to resist) but ya. People forget how slow Bonino looked in series against Calgary. It probably wasn't his fault in hindsight but he didn't do anything to help. Bonino also had a terrible start to his Penguins career before Kessel was put on his line.

As for Sutter, I don't think you can say he was ill-suited for the role they had in mind for him given that management and Willie had different ideas. I think management thought they were getting a durable player who can handle the tough defensive matchups while also having some offensive upside. It didn't work out that way. I never understood the contract signing criticism. It's routine to acquire a pending UFA and sign him to an extension. It's not like the guy was unproven as a 3C. He was making $3.3M before the extension. Keep in mind that Sutter was the roster player the Gillis' Canucks targeted in the Kesler trade so the Canucks pro scouting staff has liked Sutter for a while. Outside of a rental situation, I would expect our team spending significant assets to acquire a pending UFA to try and negotiate an extension.
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He eventually became a pretty solid defensive center for us (not sure why Willie didn't use him that role immediately & hand that task to Horvat who never was a defensive stalwart. Good thing Willie leave him with the Sedins for the entire season). Especially since Sutter was a veteran player & Horvat was I think just a sophmore). After him being knocked out of commission (pandemic), his defensive skills were never replaced for a while.
 
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Jyrki21 said:
I just learned something surprising from a Youtube video… the fastest speed a hockey player has ever been clocked at in-game (41.32 km/h) is by… Ronalds Kenins. 🤯

McDavid’s top recorded speed is 40.9 km/h.
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Vladimir Bure, who was a fairly household name for Canuck fans in the 1990s, has died of a heart attack aged 73.

Won a Stanley Cup as a fitness consultant for the Devils in 2003.

Not sure if he and Pavel were still estranged.
 
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Jimmy Vesey has carved out a pretty productive career over the past three seasons with the Devils and Rangers. I always liked his game.....and thought the Canucks gave up on him far too early.

But he was acquired by the Canucks from the Leafs in the post-COVID season so they could just stagger through to the finish line in the 'one and done' Canadian Division. I don't think they ever appreciated him.
 
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VanJack said:
Jimmy Vesey has carved out a pretty productive career over the past three seasons with the Devils and Rangers. I always liked his game.....and thought the Canucks gave up on him far too early.

But he was acquired by the Canucks from the Leafs in the post-COVID season so they could just stagger through to the finish line in the 'one and done' Canadian Division. I don't think they ever appreciated him.
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He had 3 assists in 20 games as a 27 year old waiver claim then followed it up with a bad season with the Devils. He's figured something out with the Rangers after signing a PTO. He's no different than Nic Dowd. Neither did anything in their time with the Canucks as 27 year old waiver claims but figured it out with another team shortly afterwards. These things happen.
 
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