Former Canucks Thread 2023-24 Off-Season Edition

[MS]

How the hell do you know what? Guys like Valk, Scatchard, Ward, Sopel etc have come out and said he scouted them. Muckalt, Tyson Nash. There's a few more. The dude was solid for a decent chunk of time and he lost his way. We all know this. I was trying to wind the clock back a dozen years as those are the guys that really matter to the current team. Why piss and cry about shit that happened when you rocked diapers?

So you attribute the successes to Penny but bury Delorme at the same time. There's a big tent, a gaggle of makeup and some shitty wigs for you.

1. The game changes and sometimes people can't adapt.
2. It's a hell of a lot different being a scout from being the guy running the scouting.
3. We took a hell of a lot of Western Canadian kids from 1987-1995 and some were bound to hit.

I did hear it reported a bunch of years ago that the 1995 Sopel/Schaefer draft where he got those two picks right really aided in his flying up the organizational ranks. Unfortunately, the next 25 players we picked after that from the west were all donkeys.

I also distinctly remember an interview with either Penney or Delorme on Dan Russell's show in 1994 where it was outright stated that they hadn't really watched Muckalt play but drafted him because he scored a lot of points. It was a kind of crazy quote that stuck out to me even then as a teenager.

 

[F A N]

Why did Delorme nail it in Western Canada for a lot of picks in the late 80's to mid 90's and then piss his pants for the last 20 odd years? It's bizarre really. The Canucks as a whole has shit the bed drafting out of this country.

Did he nail it in Western Canada for a lot of picks in the late 80s and mid 90s though? Delorme presumably also didn't have as much influence in the late 80s to closer to the mid 90s? I made a post here earlier responding to @Vector about how the Canucks spent a lot of high picks on forwards and if they had simply used the pick to draft the next defenseman drafted, the team would have drafted quite a few quality defensemen over the years.

Just take the era in question, 1997 we drafted Ference. The next defenseman drafted out of the WHL is Scott Hannan. 1996 we drafted Holden, next defenseman drafted was Derrick Morris out of the WHL (to be fair Holden was a popular pick IIRC). 1991 we drafted Stojanov and the next defenseman drafted was Matvichuk (WHL).

What about later round gems out of the WHL since Delorme started as a scout here? Nothing from the 80s. 1994 was a relatively good year but could be better. We drafted Chad Allan. Next WHL Dman drafted was Sheldon Souray. 1995 was a relatively good year. Can't complain too much. That's it. I don't see any later round gems out of the WHL.

Oh and to further illustrate the point I made to Vector, in 2013 (and Delorme lost some of his influence by then), if we used our first round picks on the next drafted defensemen, we would have drafted Morrisey (WHL) and Theodore (WHL). Kind of crazy.

 

[RobsonStreet]

1. The game changes and sometimes people can't adapt.
2. It's a hell of a lot different being a scout from being the guy running the scouting.
3. We took a hell of a lot of Western Canadian kids from 1987-1995 and some were bound to hit.

I did hear it reported a bunch of years ago that the 1995 Sopel/Schaefer draft where he got those two picks right really aided in his flying up the organizational ranks. Unfortunately, the next 25 players we picked after that from the west were all donkeys.

I also distinctly remember an interview with either Penney or Delorme on Dan Russell's show in 1994 where it was outright stated that they hadn't really watched Muckalt play but drafted him because he scored a lot of points. It was a kind of crazy quote that stuck out to me even then as a teenager.

David Conte’s time as head scout of the New Jersey Devils is my other go-to example that you can tread water after a run of good draft results for a remarkably long time.

https://www.reddit.com/r/hockey/s/fgM1FfkbDi

 

[MS]

David Conte’s time as head scout of the New Jersey Devils is my other go-to example that you can tread water after a run of good draft results for a remarkably long time.

https://www.reddit.com/r/hockey/s/fgM1FfkbDi

Yup. Conte had a decade where he was a genius and then the game passed him by.

 

[David71]

how would john tortorella coaching with this current core group be like? compared to when he had the twins/kesler/burrows. just a food for thought that popped up.

 

[F A N]

how would john tortorella coaching with this current core group be like? compared to when he had the twins/kesler/burrows. just a food for thought that popped up.

Better results simply because he's not coaching an aging "stale core" team. I don't think he would be as good as Tocchet. I'm not a fan of Torts. He might share similarities with Tocchet but I think Tocchet has the better demeanor and approach. These days, I think Torts is better off coaching a young team wanting to stay competitive. I think Tocchet is better able to handle a more talented roster.

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

just because



now imagine if he’d ever had someone like hughes on the point feeding him on the PP

 

[PuckMunchkin]

How the hell do you know what? Guys like Valk, Scatchard, Ward, Sopel etc have come out and said he scouted them. Muckalt, Tyson Nash. There's a few more. The dude was solid for a decent chunk of time and he lost his way. We all know this. I was trying to wind the clock back a dozen years as those are the guys that really matter to the current team. Why piss and cry about shit that happened when you rocked diapers?

So you attribute the successes to Penny but bury Delorme at the same time. There's a big tent, a gaggle of makeup and some shitty wigs for you.

Not surpised that you possess these items.

 

[HairyKneel]

Not surpised that you possess these items.

Well no kidding......how do you think you get them at cost? I'm going to up my shipping fee to you. Just a heads up.

 

[racerjoe]

just because



now imagine if he’d ever had someone like hughes on the point feeding him on the PP

Henrick says hi…

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Well no kidding......how do you think you get them at cost? I'm going to up my shipping fee to you. Just a heads up.

Zing!

Another classic piece of comedy by the great clown HK.

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

Henrick says hi…

obviously playing with naslund and bertuzzi, and then the sedins, on the PP was a benefit to salo.

but henrik’s prime objective was to set up daniel. naslund looked to shirt first, bert was setting up in front of the net. imagine if our PP ever had an elite hughes-type QB whose first, second, and third objective was to load bombs for salo the way mccabe had kaberle, souray and streit had markov, and garrison had brian campbell...

 

[racerjoe]

obviously playing with naslund and bertuzzi, and then the sedins, on the PP was a benefit to salo.

but henrik’s prime objective was to set up daniel. naslund looked to shirt first, bert was setting up in front of the net. imagine if our PP ever had an elite hughes-type QB whose first, second, and third objective was to load bombs for salo the way mccabe had kaberle, souray and streit had markov, and garrison had brian campbell...

Like this?

 

[I Hart Conor Garland]

just because



now imagine if he’d ever had someone like hughes on the point feeding him on the PP

Ohlund and Salo playing together is the greatest on paper pair in franchise history.

 

[F A N]

obviously playing with naslund and bertuzzi, and then the sedins, on the PP was a benefit to salo.

but henrik’s prime objective was to set up daniel. naslund looked to shirt first, bert was setting up in front of the net. imagine if our PP ever had an elite hughes-type QB whose first, second, and third objective was to load bombs for salo the way mccabe had kaberle, souray and streit had markov, and garrison had brian campbell...

Differences attributable to eras and Aucoin aside, Salo's 9 PP goals in 59 games in 05-06 is the best PP goal scoring rate and PP goals in a season by Canucks defensemen since 1990? I believe Lanz earlier held the record for most PP goals by a Canucks defenseman until Aucoin broke it.

Salo is also the Canucks' all-time leader in PP goals among defensemen. If Hughes averages 4 PP goals a season over the next 10 seasons he can break it by the time he retires (he needs 38 to tie). Anything less and Salo likely keeps the record.

 

[Hit the post]

1. The game changes and sometimes people can't adapt.
2. It's a hell of a lot different being a scout from being the guy running the scouting.
3. We took a hell of a lot of Western Canadian kids from 1987-1995 and some were bound to hit.

I did hear it reported a bunch of years ago that the 1995 Sopel/Schaefer draft where he got those two picks right really aided in his flying up the organizational ranks. Unfortunately, the next 25 players we picked after that from the west were all donkeys.

I also distinctly remember an interview with either Penney or Delorme on Dan Russell's show in 1994 where it was outright stated that they hadn't really watched Muckalt play but drafted him because he scored a lot of points. It was a kind of crazy quote that stuck out to me even then as a teenager.

Ron "Stevie Wonder can see better than me" Delorme will never live down "Kid was great in practice" opinion. DimJim giving Delorme "credit" for drafting Elias was equally laughable.

Differences attributable to eras and Aucoin aside, Salo's 9 PP goals in 59 games in 05-06 is the best PP goal scoring rate and PP goals in a season by Canucks defensemen since 1990? I believe Lanz earlier held the record for most PP goals by a Canucks defenseman until Aucoin broke it.

Salo is also the Canucks' all-time leader in PP goals among defensemen. If Hughes averages 4 PP goals a season over the next 10 seasons he can break it by the time he retires (he needs 38 to tie). Anything less and Salo likely keeps the record.

Hockey Gods were clearly trolling the Canucks when the often injured SOLID two way defenseman was perhaps our healthiest blueliner in the Cup Finals.

 

[Ernie]

Ohlund and Salo playing together is the greatest on paper pair in franchise history.

Doesn't even come close to Hughes and Hronek.

 

[Hit the post]

Ohlund and Salo playing together is the greatest on paper pair in franchise history.

Dale Tallon & Jerry Korab should get an honorable mention had the team not eff'd up Tallons development & kept Korab. Korab was an underrated blue liner that was able to function pretty well in the midst of the Bad Bruins & Nasty Flyers in the early to mid 70s. Things that might've been........


Edit: stupid me ..they got Korab as part of the package when they dealt Tallon.

 

[LemonSauceD]

Doesn't even come close to Hughes and Hronek.

Confused, you’re saying latter is better or former?

 

[Ernie]

Confused, you’re saying latter is better or former?

Hughes paired with pretty much anyone is already the best pairing the Canucks have ever had.

But he's paired with Hronek, who is also at the Ohlund / Salo level.

The Canucks have had some good defencemen but they've never previously had a star on the backend like they have up front with the Sedins and Bure.

 

[Hit the post]

Hughes paired with pretty much anyone is already the best pairing the Canucks have ever had.

But he's paired with Hronek, who is also at the Ohlund / Salo level.

The Canucks have had some good defencemen but they've never previously had a star on the backend like they have up front with the Sedins and Bure.

I'm not sure I'm ready to put him in that category yet.

Canucks have had a star on the backend; unfortunately it was at the tail end of his career (Paul Reinhardt).

 

[I Hart Conor Garland]

Dale Tallon & Jerry Korab should get an honorable mention had the team not eff'd up Tallons development & kept Korab. Korab was an underrated blue liner that was able to function pretty well in the midst of the Bad Bruins & Nasty Flyers in the early to mid 70s. Things that might've been........


Edit: stupid me ..they got Korab as part of the package when they dealt Tallon.

I'm 42 so those guys are a fair bit before my time. I can confidently tell you I jumped in with both feet during the 1990/1991 season.

 

[I Hart Conor Garland]

Hughes paired with pretty much anyone is already the best pairing the Canucks have ever had.

But he's paired with Hronek, who is also at the Ohlund / Salo level.

The Canucks have had some good defencemen but they've never previously had a star on the backend like they have up front with the Sedins and Bure.

Hughes is absolutely our best ever. I won't even pretend to quibble. It's just that Hronek can't sniff Salo or Ohlund's buttholes.

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

Hughes is absolutely our best ever. I won't even pretend to quibble. It's just that Hronek can't sniff Salo or Ohlund's buttholes.

i don’t disagree, but otoh salo isn’t exactly at ohlund’s level either

 

[I Hart Conor Garland]

i don’t disagree, but otoh salo isn’t exactly at ohlund’s level either

I only pretend Hughes is better than Salo so people don't throw garbage at me.