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Former Canucks Thread 2023-24 Off-Season Edition

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F A N said:
Injuries definitely played a role but in his draft year there was some belief that his decline in offensive production was due to Etem leaving.

I don't know what happened to him. I think somewhere he definitely lost his passion which was a plus trait for him.
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Oh sure, I don't know that there's ever been a lot of genuine doubt that he wasn't a top-5 level player or whatever, and Etem was a really very good junior player, but even if you ignore his D-1, Shinkaruk's reduced draft year production of like 1.3PPG/0.6GPG is still likely putting him in the first round, and he had a very good showing a few months later in training camp. I think he was a pretty adequately rated player.
 
RobertKron said:
Oh sure, I don't know that there's ever been a lot of genuine doubt that he wasn't a top-5 level player or whatever, and Etem was a really very good junior player, but even if you ignore his D-1, Shinkaruk's reduced draft year production of like 1.3PPG/0.6GPG is still likely putting him in the first round, and he had a very good showing a few months later in training camp. I think he was a pretty adequately rated player.
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I'm not quite sure what you mean so I might be misinterpreting what you said here. Are you saying Shinkaruk was a top 5 talent and there weren't a lot of genuine doubt about it?

IIRC, Shinkaruk's ranking and projection was all over the map so I'm not sure what "pretty adequately rated player" means. To be fair, I'm not saying he wasn't a 1st round talent. There's a huge difference between a potential top 5 player who drops in the draft and a player projected to go somwhere between 15-30. A #24 pick busting isn't a big deal in many drafts.
 
Wow Brandon Hagel and Anthony cirelli makes the team bo horvat left off.

Noah Dobson also left off
 
lawrence said:
Wow Brandon Hagel and Anthony cirelli makes the team bo horvat left off.

Noah Dobson also left off
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Probably a bad sign that Canada needs a 2008 draftee vs a 2018 one. Figured the roster would be all guys that they’d consider for 2026. Dobson apparently hasn’t had the best season.

Chicago got 2 firsts, Moore and boisvert for Hagel, but darn he’d look good with Bedard.
 
F A N said:
I'm not quite sure what you mean so I might be misinterpreting what you said here. Are you saying Shinkaruk was a top 5 talent and there weren't a lot of genuine doubt about it?

IIRC, Shinkaruk's ranking and projection was all over the map so I'm not sure what "pretty adequately rated player" means. To be fair, I'm not saying he wasn't a 1st round talent. There's a huge difference between a potential top 5 player who drops in the draft and a player projected to go somwhere between 15-30. A #24 pick busting isn't a big deal in many drafts.
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I think that a lot of the rankings that had him so high were influenced by his big pre-draft year, and while that's an impressive season at that age regardless of who he was playing with, I don't know that many NHL teams were going to be taking that as gospel. I think he was generally considered a mid-to-late rounder, and I believe that was still probably an accurate assessment.
 
lawrence said:
Wow Brandon Hagel and Anthony cirelli makes the team bo horvat left off.

Noah Dobson also left off
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I wouldn't consider any of this is surprising.

And Dobson was maybe a lock before this season started by AFAIK he's having a tough go so far (I mean Isles fans on this board are trying to get rid of him when last year I would have thought he's near untouchable).
 
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RobertKron said:
I think that a lot of the rankings that had him so high were influenced by his big pre-draft year, and while that's an impressive season at that age regardless of who he was playing with, I don't know that many NHL teams were going to be taking that as gospel.
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It comes down to his draft-eligible year right? His pre-draft year established his talent level and Shinkaruk's draft-eligible year presented some wrinkles but was real solid overall. There's a lot of viewings there.

RobertKron said:
I think he was generally considered a mid-to-late rounder, and I believe that was still probably an accurate assessment.
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I disagree. Shinkaruk was widely considered to be a top 15 pick with a couple of outliers. But when it came to talent vis a vis other prospects he was ranked higher.
 
Bo Horvat with 5 goals and 18 points in the first 27 games. Hronek's looking pretty damn good at $7.25 million to Bo's $8.5 million.
 
Curm said:
Bo Horvat with 5 goals and 18 points in the first 27 games. Hronek's looking pretty damn good at $7.25 million to Bo's $8.5 million.
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I'd say that the Patrick Roy/Lou Lam factor is dragging down several players counting stats on that team right now, but yeah I don't think many have issues with Hronek.
 
Bo is overpaid but we could have re-signed him for cheaper. At the end of the day he’s a 30+ goal C who isn’t very good defensively but is elite at faceoffs.
 
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It's so weird when the media says that Tocchet and Green are similar (and Green himself has compared him to Tocchet) because one of those guys is literally all about accountability and the other has never taken accountability or demanded accountability from anyone.
 
Jyrki21 said:
Adam Gaudette is up to 13 goals in 26 games for the Senators... but only two assists. :laugh:

Definite Cy Young candidate this year, but I'm pretty happy for him.
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I'm so ready for the fallout from him winning the Rocket with less than 200 shots.
 
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I saw someone with a Brandon Prust Canucks shirt at the gym I work at. At least 1 person bought one before they all ended up in a dumpster somewhere

Other than spearing Marchand, he was totally unlikable. Refusing to stick up for teammates despite the engorcer role is the only thing that kept him in the league
 
Bojack Horvatman said:
I saw someone with a Brandon Prust Canucks shirt at the gym I work at. At least 1 person bought one before they all ended up in a dumpster somewhere

Other than spearing Marchand, he was totally unlikable. Refusing to stick up for teammates despite the engorcer role is the only thing that kept him in the league
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We gave up the 5th in that trade too lmfao.
 
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wtf Lindholm has 3 goals in 30 games for the B's. 7 years at 7.75m and hes already 30. Good thing we didnt touch that contract.
 
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