OT: Football Thread

[Boris Zubov]

The bright side is Dallas is even more embarrassing than we are today.

 

[Brutananadilewski]

The bright side is Dallas is even more embarrassing than we are today.

Eh. Their owner is Jethro. Having any semblance of success thanks to hiring a coach who was able to fleece a dumb Minnesota team.

And even all that bullcrap came almost 30 years ago.

Since then, you have, what?

2 playoff wins?

A photo of your owner being a racist dickhead?

 

[sbjnyc]

Best result all week if the cowboys lose as a 17 point favorite.

 

[LionsHeart]

I don’t see how The Giants bring back Barkley and DJ.

It’s just not smart to tie up that much money in the RB when you have so many needs, and DJ plays his ass off, but I don’t think he’s proven to be a QB that can keep you in a game or pull you out of the fire.

Dave Gettleman is a war criminal and should be in jail.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Berrios low key a bum all season

 

[Brutananadilewski]

I don’t see how The Giants bring back Barkley and DJ.

It’s just not smart to tie up that much money in the RB when you have so many needs, and DJ plays his ass off, but I don’t think he’s proven to be a QB that can keep you in a game or pull you out of the fire.

Dave Gettleman is a war criminal and should be in jail.

Draft a QB and an RB and all you've done is just replace the names. We need receivers, and we need a legit RB#2 option.

 

[sbjnyc]

Hot take: Saleh kicked a fg so jets could cover at worst.

 

[Crease]

Jets gave it the old college try. Injuries, untimely penalties, and a porous OL did them in. Also some bizarre clock management at the end. In prior years this would have been a blowout, so that’s something I guess.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Abysmal final drive

 

[Bob Richards]

I don’t see how The Giants bring back Barkley and DJ.

It’s just not smart to tie up that much money in the RB when you have so many needs, and DJ plays his ass off, but I don’t think he’s proven to be a QB that can keep you in a game or pull you out of the fire.

Dave Gettleman is a war criminal and should be in jail.

Jones has nothing to work with and has played well given those circumstances and yet I just still feel like we are in the wilderness with him. It's another season of "the team around him stinks" being one of the main feathers in his cap.

Saquon shouldn't be brought back period. I've been an annoying broken record on this for years now but by virtue of him being a RB, he should not get a 2nd contract.

 

[17futurecap]

Hot take: Saleh kicked a fg so jets could cover at worst.

Yea, the jets should have went for the 4th and 1 there, chances of you getting that deep again were slim to none.

Good cover for bettors though lol.

 

[LionsHeart]

Jones has nothing to work with and has played well given those circumstances and yet I just still feel like we are in the wilderness with him. It's another season of "the team around him stinks" being one of the main feathers in his cap.

Saquon shouldn't be brought back period. I've been an annoying broken record on this for years now but by virtue of him being a RB, he should not get a 2nd contract.

That’s how I feel about Jones. I actually like Jones a lot and wish he got the 5th year option. It wouldn’t upset me if he were brought back on a reasonable contact, but I’d also understand if they decided to move on. He really got screwed by the organization, and it’s a damn shame.

Agreed with Barkley as well. Thanks for the memories, but it just makes no sense to bring him back. Go sign with a contender and win a Super Bowl.

 

[smoneil]

Another week with the Jets throwing the ball twice as much as running the ball. The only thing worse than a green OC is a green OC that refuses to learn from his mistakes.

 

[bouds]

Another week with the Jets throwing the ball twice as much as running the ball. The only thing worse than a green OC is a green OC that refuses to learn from his mistakes.

They were getting stuffed. They had good success running when they spread the Bills out. Watching both teams it was pretty predictable when the run was coming from both sides. That’s the real issue, and it holds true even more so for the Bills, very predictable stuff out there today.

For the Bills it’s a concern going down the stretch. Dorsey is just a predictable play caller and it’s going to be their death down the stretch, their short pass game is trash. Bills went from top 5 playaction team to bottom third under Dorsey. Jets pass d statistically gave up more pass yards in the middle of the field than to the outside, yet the Bills barely attacked the middle except on the Knox crosser for the TD.

 

[sbjnyc]

 

[ponzu4u]

If Jones really wanted to bet on himself he could sign a relatively cheap 2-year contract with potentially a player option after year 1. 2x18/20 million?

Gives the front office two years to find his replacement. Jones gets one more season with a (hopefully) improved roster. And if someone swoops in and signs him to a top-15 QB contract... so be it.

Saquon is gone though. The contract will be way too prohibitive with too many holes on the roster.

I'd think they look to draft LB/CB/OG early -- and won't pick high enough for more than a developmental qb.

I have no idea how Love completely whiffed on that other than he closed his eyes. whoof.

The roster was always going to come down to Earth but to me the season still feels like a success.

Now Schoen's gotta show he can keep building a successful - and eventually - Superbowl roster.

 

[RangerBlues]

If Jones really wanted to bet on himself he could sign a relatively cheap 2-year contract with potentially a player option after year 1. 2x18/20 million?

Gives the front office two years to find his replacement. Jones gets one more season with a (hopefully) improved roster. And if someone swoops in and signs him to a top-15 QB contract... so be it.

Saquon is gone though. The contract will be way too prohibitive with too many holes on the roster.

I'd think they look to draft LB/CB/OG early -- and won't pick high enough for more than a developmental qb.

I have no idea how Love completely whiffed on that other than he closed his eyes. whoof.

The roster was always going to come down to Earth but to me the season still feels like a success.

Now Schoen's gotta show he can keep building a successful - and eventually - Superbowl roster.

The only folks who will give Jones that money are the Giants.
The Giants were better off tanking the season and trading Barkley at the deadline.
Being a pretender in September is not a successful season.

 

[smoneil]

They were getting stuffed. They had good success running when they spread the Bills out. Watching both teams it was pretty predictable when the run was coming from both sides. That’s the real issue, and it holds true even more so for the Bills, very predictable stuff out there today.

For the Bills it’s a concern going down the stretch. Dorsey is just a predictable play caller and it’s going to be their death down the stretch, their short pass game is trash. Bills went from top 5 playaction team to bottom third under Dorsey. Jets pass d statistically gave up more pass yards in the middle of the field than to the outside, yet the Bills barely attacked the middle except on the Knox crosser for the TD.

Carter was getting stuffed (5 attempts for only 5 yards, all of which came on one of those attempts). Knight was rolling. 17 carries, 71 yards, 4.2 YPC, and a touchdown. And it's not like a huge chunk of that came on one big run, either. His longest run was just 13 yards.

The receivers are running the room. They whined and complained and demanded trades because they didn't want to be cogs in a team that was winning. Now they are getting their individual stats and targets, but the team is losing. I don't know about other Jets fans, but I know which one I preferred.

Another interesting stat for those worshipping at the altar of Mike White. Here are the defenses he's faced vs. the defenses Wilson faced, along with their FPI league rank:

Wilson:
NEx2: 3
Bills: 6
Denver: 5
GB: 29
MIA: 17
PIT: 16

White:
Bills: 6
Chicago: 32
Vikings: 19 (with one of the worst pass defenses in the league)

With these games left on the schedule:
Lions: 31
Jags: 27
Seattle: 22
Miami: 17

Four of Wilson's seven games were against top six defenses, and he still won half of those games. He only had one game against a lower-ranked D (GB). White put up gaudy stats against literally the worst defense in the league, and then hasn't scored a touchdown in either of his other games. Assuming he finishes out the season, he'll have only faced one elite defense (Buffalo) and one league average defense (Miami). The rest of his schedule has been/will be against the lower third of Ds.

The re-set was necessary, but if they wanted the Jets to go anywhere, Saleh would have regained control of his team (several of whom have been on Twitter complaining about the refs this week, btw), bringing in a new OC or at LEAST bringing Beck back to get Lafleur away from Wilson (though Lafleur's play calling is an even bigger issue IMO). And then brought Wilson back for Buffalo.

If White finishes out the season, the best case scenario in my opinion is a split (I think they squeak one out against the Jags and upset Miami).

 

[RangerBlues]

Mike White cannot defend himself. He does not move now, the rib injury is gonna make it even worse.
Wilson should be in uniform this week and be ready.

 

[JimmyG89]

This needed to happen. Flacco is just too old and low to play in this league. At least Wilson has mobility even if he is still working on things.

 

[17futurecap]

Wilson getting to play two of the worst defenses in the NFL in a 5 day span, no excuse for him not to have good passing days.

 

[Crease]

Jets doctors won't clear White for Sunday. Punctured lung? At minimum broken ribs. Wilson gets his shot, rightfully so. Flacco is cooked. Do you elevate Streveler to backup?

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Welp, season is over

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Damn, got tickets 10 rows up to the Jet game, was looking forward to a good football game (im a Giants fan).

At the very least i will just get hammered in the parking lot.

 

[Ben Grimm]

Welp, season is over

Agreed. I think White is > Wilson. I've never heard a national TV analyst say that Wilson or Lance were not the best possible picks. Idk why not.