OT: Football Thread

[Synergy27]

I'm a Giants fan but looking at Zach and Trey I think both have things to be optimistic and worried about so I can not make the call between the two players. IN a 1 for 1 trade it would be impossible to pick a winner today.

I don’t know, I think Zach has shown pretty clearly that he can’t play, and he seems like a little bitch on top of it. Lance still has unknown upside.

 

[Barnaby]

I cant believe as a jets fan we have to rely on this Bum Wilson again. He is legit terrible at everything as a qb. The pick should have been fields. God imagine fields with this team!?

Anyway, it was a great season for the jets. But maybe we can find an actual qb in next years draft.

Fields sucks too. One trick pony.

 

[duhmetreE]

I'm 100% ok with Mike White. He's not mobile, but if the team establishes the run, he's more than enough.

White+ our Running game + our defense = good enough to win

The coaching staff needs to drop a bit of the cute stuff on offense.

 

[NickyFotiu]

I don’t know, I think Zach has shown pretty clearly that he can’t play, and he seems like a little bitch on top of it. Lance still has unknown upside.

Possibly but Zach has only made 20 starts. He may come around. Some said Steve Young could not play in Tampa Bay. I'm not a Jets fan but if the Jets thought this guy was worth the #2 pick last season it would be crazy to throw him away so soon.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

How do you Jets fans feel about possibly trading for Trey Lance? There are rumors that Brady wants to finish his career in SF. I don’t see how they hold onto Lance if that happens.

Would you guys be open to trading some picks for Lance?

How do you Jets fans feel about possibly trading for Trey Lance? There are rumors that Brady wants to finish his career in SF. I don’t see how they hold onto Lance if that happens.

Would you guys be open to trading some picks for Lance?

i'd rather trade for someone established, or just ride or die with MMFW

 

[17futurecap]

I don't disagree with most of this. My take from day one was that Wilson should have had a clipboard in his hand and a coach/vet in his ear all of last year. Not even signing a vet backup until late in the game was just stupid for a kid coming in with a ton of talent and almost no high end experience. The question now is, can you re-set the screwed up developmental curve. I don't know. I honestly don't think Lafleur is capable of it (he doesn't have a ton of experience either), and Saleh is a defense guy. The problem is that the defense and the weapons are too good for the team to have a high draft pick anytime soon. There's no great answer here. It's too early to give up on a second overall pick, but it may be too late to fix what they broke. Anyone they can sign who would be happy to potentially be the backup to Wilson next year won't be good enough to be the starter for a team with Super Bowl aspirations. These next few games are going to be crucial, and honestly, a playoff game could be the deciding factor (to see how he reacts under pressure).

I will say that we've seen flashes from him. I agree with your assessment of the Pittsburgh game, but by the same token, he played a great game in the first NE match-up--aside from one quarter. You could see him starting to put it together, minimizing turnovers, trying to figure out where to go big, etc. Then they screwed him up and wouldn't stop talking about how he had to be comfortable throwing the ball away more and taking no chances, and...the 2nd NE game happened.

In an ideal world, they would have signed a vet to a two year deal the year they drafted Wilson, gotten the kid into a game here or a game there, and next year would have been his coming out party. That ship has sailed. Hopefully they can still salvage something from it. If they do keep him as the #1 guy, I hope they sign a Fitz-style teaching backup, and pick up a QB in rounds 2 or 3 to be a developmental QB in case he can't cut it.

Feel like I came off as a dick last night, my apologies to you. Hopefully Jets can get all of a W tomorrow!

 

[smoneil]

Feel like I came off as a dick last night, my apologies to you. Hopefully Jets can get all of a W tomorrow!

No need for any apologies. I try not to read too much into tone in anyone's writing. Plus, I also figure that anyone who has been a Jets fan for any reasonable length of time has a right to be frustrated at the world, haha. The scary thing is, when they announced the team's schedule this year and pundits were predicting an 0-9 start, my initial reaction was "watch them win most of the first 9 games and then lose out the season against the weak half of the schedule. No playoffs AND a mediocre draft pick? Nothing more Jets than that."

 

[17futurecap]

Much needed Fins loss, thanks Buffalo.

 

[RangerBlues]

Indy has the worst defense on the planet.
Ravens offense is putrid.
And I missed Fins Bills completley

 

[sbjnyc]

This is the situation you need a long drive but I figure a turnover or 3 and out from Zach

 

[duhmetreE]

Zach Wilson... what a bust

some of the worst fundamentals for a pro QB

 

[sbjnyc]

Why is that considered a poor punt? It was 45 yards or so from inside his own 1.

 

[duhmetreE]

Why is that considered a poor punt? It was 45 yards or so from inside his own 1.

hang time so defenders can get there

 

[sbjnyc]

hang time so defenders can get there

Yes but you're just trying to get it off that deep.

 

[duhmetreE]

SET YOUR FEET.

AND THROW THE DAMN BALL.. NOT SIDEARM

holy crap. How are your mechanics so bad

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

This offensive line is abysmal

hang time so defenders can get there

From your own end zone it’s tough to get much on a punt

 

[sbjnyc]

Jets used a top 5 pick on a QB 3 times in the last 13 drafts without anything to show for it.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Jets used a top 5 pick on a QB 3 times in the last 13 drafts without anything to show for it.

Wilson tracking to be the biggest bust in a long time

 

[duhmetreE]

Jets used a top 5 pick on a QB 3 times in the last 13 drafts without anything to show for it.

If you don't have the coaching for it, this is what happens.

Rushing them without proper coaching will usually not end well.

Wilson throws decent balls when he actually is fundamentally sound. The reads are another issue

 

[Crease]

White manages to look much better behind the same O-Line, so I’m not inclined to give Wilson a pass for that.

 

[duhmetreE]

White manages to look much better behind the same O-Line, so I’m not inclined to give Wilson a pass for that.

He can't see or throw over the line. He usually panics and all mechanics go out the window

He's the best when rolling out... but they dont roll him out. He's a very bad pocket passer

 

[sbjnyc]

He can't see or throw over the line. He usually panics and all mechanics go out the window

He's the best when rolling out... but they dont roll him out. He's a very bad pocket passer

I agree this is his biggest problem but they showed a graphic a while ago how much worse his qbr is rolling out.

 

[Crease]

Great drive. Really want Wilson to prove me wrong.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Yes but you're just trying to get it off that deep.

Really tough situation but that punt was made for a runback. Better off going higher and only 35 yards than outkicking your coverage.

 

[Crease]

He can't see or throw over the line. He usually panics and all mechanics go out the window

He's the best when rolling out... but they dont roll him out. He's a very bad pocket passer

Wilson is clearly at his best playing schoolyard ball. High risk, high reward. He is not, and never was at BYU, a pocket-passing game manager.