OT: Football Thread

[Chalfdiggity3]

I cant believe as a jets fan we have to rely on this Bum Wilson again. He is legit terrible at everything as a qb. The pick should have been fields. God imagine fields with this team!?

Anyway, it was a great season for the jets. But maybe we can find an actual qb in next years draft.

 

[17futurecap]

Damn, got tickets 10 rows up to the Jet game, was looking forward to a good football game (im a Giants fan).

At the very least i will just get hammered in the parking lot.

At least it's not going to rain for the first time in forever around here.

The Jets were a stupid Braden Munt tackle on a punt return vs the Rams, and all of the Browns offense not having Covid from getting Trevor Lawrence, the least Gase could have done was go winless that season.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

At least it's not going to rain for the first time in forever around here.

The Jets were a stupid Braden Munt tackle on a punt return vs the Rams, and all of the Browns offense not having Covid from getting Trevor Lawrence, the least Gase could have done was go winless that season.

Absolutely. Was thinking the same thing. Cold but sunny. Perfect tailgating whether.

Also true

 

[bernmeister]

Jets doctors won't clear White for Sunday. Punctured lung? At minimum broken ribs. Wilson gets his shot, rightfully so. Flacco is cooked. Do you elevate Streveler to backup?

concur
Yes, I would

 

[bernmeister]

I cant believe as a jets fan we have to rely on this Bum Wilson again. He is legit terrible at everything as a qb. The pick should have been fields. God imagine fields with this team!?

Anyway, it was a great season for the jets. But maybe we can find an actual qb in next years draft.

no, w'Lawrence gone the pick is Wilson if you go QB, not Fields
Wilson obv guilty of mistakes but I see already he is better than Darnold
We will be fine if/when we get him OL, specifically OT help

I will be the first to crucify this kid if it truly is 111% on him, but he gets a partial pass until he has decent enuf protection

 

[duhmetreE]

Carter was getting stuffed (5 attempts for only 5 yards, all of which came on one of those attempts). Knight was rolling. 17 carries, 71 yards, 4.2 YPC, and a touchdown. And it's not like a huge chunk of that came on one big run, either. His longest run was just 13 yards.

The receivers are running the room. They whined and complained and demanded trades because they didn't want to be cogs in a team that was winning. Now they are getting their individual stats and targets, but the team is losing. I don't know about other Jets fans, but I know which one I preferred.

Another interesting stat for those worshipping at the altar of Mike White. Here are the defenses he's faced vs. the defenses Wilson faced, along with their FPI league rank:

Wilson:
NEx2: 3
Bills: 6
Denver: 5
GB: 29
MIA: 17
PIT: 16

White:
Bills: 6
Chicago: 32
Vikings: 19 (with one of the worst pass defenses in the league)

With these games left on the schedule:
Lions: 31
Jags: 27
Seattle: 22
Miami: 17

Four of Wilson's seven games were against top six defenses, and he still won half of those games. He only had one game against a lower-ranked D (GB). White put up gaudy stats against literally the worst defense in the league, and then hasn't scored a touchdown in either of his other games. Assuming he finishes out the season, he'll have only faced one elite defense (Buffalo) and one league average defense (Miami). The rest of his schedule has been/will be against the lower third of Ds.

The re-set was necessary, but if they wanted the Jets to go anywhere, Saleh would have regained control of his team (several of whom have been on Twitter complaining about the refs this week, btw), bringing in a new OC or at LEAST bringing Beck back to get Lafleur away from Wilson (though Lafleur's play calling is an even bigger issue IMO). And then brought Wilson back for Buffalo.

If White finishes out the season, the best case scenario in my opinion is a split (I think they squeak one out against the Jags and upset Miami).

We’re losing because AVT and Hall got hurt imo

They are not sticking to the running game and it hasn’t been as good.

 

[RangerBlues]

Its a big deal how the team feels about Wilson.
Time to put on some big boy pants and be they guy.
That does not mean stand in the pocket like a pylon and get the snot knocked outta you.

 

[smoneil]

We’re losing because AVT and Hall got hurt imo

They are not sticking to the running game and it hasn’t been as good.

The Jets have lost six games--2 each for Flacco, Wilson, and White. AVT was healthy for some, injured for others. Hall was healthy for some, injured for others. The losses came in weeks 1, 3, 8, 11, 13, and 14--so they are spread throughout the season. What's the common factor? In 5 of those 6 losses, OC Mike Lafleur called 2x more passing plays than running plays. The ONLY game they won with that kind of lopsided play calling was the Browns miracle match. In games where the play calling was balanced or favored the run, the team is 6-1. And as I indicated in the post you quoted, the running game was fine in the Bills game. Knight had 71 yards over 17 carries for a 4.2 average and a touchdown. Not at the same level as Hall, but still league average and worth running more than 17 times. It does hurt a bit having White/Flacco at QB as there is NO threat of the QB running the ball (in a combined six games, Flacco and White have a total of 15 rushing yards and 1 rushing TD. Wilson, in seven games, has 94 rushing yards and a TD).

The story of this season is Lafleur and his seeming inability to recognize what does and doesn't work.



Edited to add: I didn't respond to the posts about team culture a couple of weeks ago (it was finals week and I had to do a ton of work), but again, there are so many red flags going on right now with the team culture.

Players "running" on social media for Rookie of the Week or the Pro Bowl. Players complaining on Twitter about the refs. Elijah Moore and Michael Carter playing around pretending to be reporters to support White/trash Wilson. What do those things all have in common? They all came after either a bad/embarrassing loss (to the Vikings). How did that work? Carter got 5 yards on 5 attempts the next game. Elijah Moore was coming off of a performance where he got all the targets he wanted (6), but only caught two passes for 7 yards against one of the worst pass Ds in the league. Against the Bills, he had 10 targets, only caught 6, for 60 yards (not bad, but not what we were expecting from him this year). He still only has 3 games of 50+ yards and none with more than 64 yards receiving.

I see a roster with SO much talent, but they are so focused on individual success that they care about that more than winning.

Elijah Moore: Team winning but he's not getting as many targets? He wants to be traded and has to be sent home. Team losing but he's getting a ton of targets? He's thrilled and "back to being the guy we drafted."

Sauce Gardner lobbying for the Pro Bowl on social media after the team has fallen out of playoff contention in the last month.

DJ Reed trash talking Justin Jefferson AFTER the game where Jefferson burned him for the game-winning touchdown.

And that's all before adding in things like Q screaming at the DC, Moore screaming at the OC, G. Wilson complaining to the media about things that should stay in the room, Mims's trade request, Moore getting his friends from other teams to trash the team for not trading him, etc etc etc.

Things LIKE this happen in every locker room. But this season feels like the team is on Hard Knocks but without the actual structure of the show. It's been chaos, and everything has hit the public eye. I think Saleh and Ulbrich have a great future here, but they need to replace Lafleur with someone who had more NFL experience--both to plan/call a more logical offense and to bring some control and maturity to a locker room that seems to be completely out of control.

Having great talent means nothing if they care more about themselves than they do about winning. Goofing around and celebrating after every loss each week is the epitome of "same ol Jets."

 

[17futurecap]

The Jets have lost six games--2 each for Flacco, Wilson, and White. AVT was healthy for some, injured for others. Hall was healthy for some, injured for others. The losses came in weeks 1, 3, 8, 11, 13, and 14--so they are spread throughout the season. What's the common factor? In 5 of those 6 losses, OC Mike Lafleur called 2x more passing plays than running plays. The ONLY game they won with that kind of lopsided play calling was the Browns miracle match. In games where the play calling was balanced or favored the run, the team is 6-1. And as I indicated in the post you quoted, the running game was fine in the Bills game. Knight had 71 yards over 17 carries for a 4.2 average and a touchdown. Not at the same level as Hall, but still league average and worth running more than 17 times. It does hurt a bit having White/Flacco at QB as there is NO threat of the QB running the ball (in a combined six games, Flacco and White have a total of 15 rushing yards and 1 rushing TD. Wilson, in seven games, has 94 rushing yards and a TD).

The story of this season is Lafleur and his seeming inability to recognize what does and doesn't work.



Edited to add: I didn't respond to the posts about team culture a couple of weeks ago (it was finals week and I had to do a ton of work), but again, there are so many red flags going on right now with the team culture.

Players "running" on social media for Rookie of the Week or the Pro Bowl. Players complaining on Twitter about the refs. Elijah Moore and Michael Carter playing around pretending to be reporters to support White/trash Wilson. What do those things all have in common? They all came after either a bad/embarrassing loss (to the Vikings). How did that work? Carter got 5 yards on 5 attempts the next game. Elijah Moore was coming off of a performance where he got all the targets he wanted (6), but only caught two passes for 7 yards against one of the worst pass Ds in the league. Against the Bills, he had 10 targets, only caught 6, for 60 yards (not bad, but not what we were expecting from him this year). He still only has 3 games of 50+ yards and none with more than 64 yards receiving.

I see a roster with SO much talent, but they are so focused on individual success that they care about that more than winning.

Elijah Moore: Team winning but he's not getting as many targets? He wants to be traded and has to be sent home. Team losing but he's getting a ton of targets? He's thrilled and "back to being the guy we drafted."

Sauce Gardner lobbying for the Pro Bowl on social media after the team has fallen out of playoff contention in the last month.

DJ Reed trash talking Justin Jefferson AFTER the game where Jefferson burned him for the game-winning touchdown.

And that's all before adding in things like Q screaming at the DC, Moore screaming at the OC, G. Wilson complaining to the media about things that should stay in the room, Mims's trade request, Moore getting his friends from other teams to trash the team for not trading him, etc etc etc.

Things LIKE this happen in every locker room. But this season feels like the team is on Hard Knocks but without the actual structure of the show. It's been chaos, and everything has hit the public eye. I think Saleh and Ulbrich have a great future here, but they need to replace Lafleur with someone who had more NFL experience--both to plan/call a more logical offense and to bring some control and maturity to a locker room that seems to be completely out of control.

Having great talent means nothing if they care more about themselves than they do about winning. Goofing around and celebrating after every loss each week is the epitome of "same ol Jets."

So basically, players should be robots, and never have an ounce of enjoyment? We are really complaining about Sauce Gardner sending out a tweet as he is on his way to ROY, and possible All Pro?

Mims was on his way to being a healthy scratch for weeks on end, I'm pretty sure any player would want to play, don't really see the trade request was that outlandish.

Moore, I agree with you, he became a DIVA, when he had no right to be.

Garrett Wilson saying the offense was embarrassing at NE was 100% true. You left out Zach going to the podium saying he took no blame for that loss, that was the most embarrassing quote of the season.

Moore and Carter asking Mike White two questions at a meaningless weekday locker room session is a problem?

This has been the most enjoyable Jets season, outside of the QB play since probably that one Firz year, it's okay for players to enjoy themselves. The Vegas win total was 4.5.

They still have a great shot at the playoff if Zach isn't a car wreck, as you said, they get to play some awful pass defenses here on the final stretch, there is no reason for him to play bad.

 

[Ben Grimm]

NFL betting: With Zach Wilson now starting, Jets go from favorites to underdogs

Oddsmakers have downgraded the Jets with Mike White ruled out.

sports.yahoo.com

 

[smoneil]

So basically, players should be robots, and never have an ounce of enjoyment? We are really complaining about Sauce Gardner sending out a tweet as he is on his way to ROY, and possible All Pro?

Mims was on his way to being a healthy scratch for weeks on end, I'm pretty sure any player would want to play, don't really see the trade request was that outlandish.

Moore, I agree with you, he became a DIVA, when he had no right to be.

Garrett Wilson saying the offense was embarrassing at NE was 100% true. You left out Zach going to the podium saying he took no blame for that loss, that was the most embarrassing quote of the season.

Moore and Carter asking Mike White two questions at a meaningless weekday locker room session is a problem?

This has been the most enjoyable Jets season, outside of the QB play since probably that one Firz year, it's okay for players to enjoy themselves. The Vegas win total was 4.5.

They still have a great shot at the playoff if Zach isn't a car wreck, as you said, they get to play some awful pass defenses here on the final stretch, there is no reason for him to play bad.

I never said that what these players said isn't "true" or "entertaining." I said it's been too public. Most teams handle these kinds of things behind closed doors. And I also tend to excuse these kinds of errors if they are either 1- Coming from a place of frustration over losing (Garrett Wilson's comments) or 2- Made by a player who is doing his job as well as he can do it week in and week out (Sauce, Garrett Wilson). There's a reason I briefly mentioned those and railed on some of the others. Frankly, I have no real issue with Mims, either. He asked for a trade and then kept his mouth shut.

I'm also not opposed to fun. I thought it was hilarious when Sauce walked off the field with the cheese hat after the GB game. What I want to see (and what is indicative of a troubled culture to me) is some discretion. When you go up against a team like Minnesota with a lousy pass defense, and you go into the red zone over and over and never get a single passing TD? Maybe don't act like a goofball in press conferences that week as you prepare for a rematch against one of the best teams in the league. Especially when you (ie: Moore and Carter and to a lesser extent Mike White) were part of the problem against Minnesota. When you (DJ Reed, whose play this year I have generally LOVED) get torched by Minnesota's best receiver for a TD that proves to be the difference in the game? Maybe don't shit talk that receiver after the game. When your team is falling out of playoff contention, and it's time to man up and save the season, maybe think that THIS might not be the best time to lobby for a Pro Bowl spot (including offering signed swag in exchange for votes), ESPECIALLY when you are already one of the top vote-getters.

You said that Zach Wilson's "No" was the worst quote of the year. First off, he wasn't "taking no blame for the loss." He was responding to a question about whether he "let the defense down." It was the wrong answer, but it wasn't NEARLY as bad as the narrative Rich Cimini has the team and its fans singing, and it came from a position of frustration at having just lost a game against a rival. Since that point, several players have done/said things that have been far more self-centered, only to be celebrated for it.

You mention that other than QB play (I'm assuming Zach Wilson), this has been a great season because the team was expected to get only 4.5 wins and they currently have 7. The record with non-Wilson QBs for this team is 2-4, and the only two wins were against the worst team in the league (Chicago) and a fluke miracle game against Cleveland. The other 5 wins had Wilson under QB against, by far, the hardest part of the schedule (more than half of his games were against top 6 defenses). People are so upset about the NE game that they aren't giving him credit for a lot of what he did right in his other six games. He hasn't been perfect by any stretch, but he hasn't deserved all the shit that's come his way either.

Elijah Moore has accomplished f*** all in this league and demanded a trade, flipped out on his coaches, and had to be sent home because he was pouting. He should have been traded immediately. Instead, his teammates (including Zach Wilson) came out with quotes puffing him up. He was given his spot back and given exactly what he'd been pouting over (more targets). He still doesn't come up with a reception half the time, and his production has still been shit. Yet the team/coach/fans all seem to love him again? Z. Wilson said "No" in frustration, realized he screwed up, apologized to the team, and has since worked to get back without making a scene or demanding a trade. He's done this while his teammates spent weeks making passive aggressive digs at him in the media and online. He's done this while his replacement has been praised for doing things that Wilson has been roasted over (look back at the first NE game and the Vikings game and tell me how different those performances were, beyond the fact that NE has a top 5 defense, White actually got some help from the ground game, and Wilson actually found the end zone).

And the reason I've been frustrated is because the optimism was there for the beginning of the season. They DID stockpile a lot of great talent. But the difference between winning and...well...being the Jets is having a roster of great talent that can play like a team. I see too many individuals lately, and not enough being done by the coaching staff to get that under control. I've lived long enough to see the signs of "same ol Jets" when I see them.

 

[17futurecap]

I never said that what these players said isn't "true" or "entertaining." I said it's been too public. Most teams handle these kinds of things behind closed doors. And I also tend to excuse these kinds of errors if they are either 1- Coming from a place of frustration over losing (Garrett Wilson's comments) or 2- Made by a player who is doing his job as well as he can do it week in and week out (Sauce, Garrett Wilson). There's a reason I briefly mentioned those and railed on some of the others. Frankly, I have no real issue with Mims, either. He asked for a trade and then kept his mouth shut.

I'm also not opposed to fun. I thought it was hilarious when Sauce walked off the field with the cheese hat after the GB game. What I want to see (and what is indicative of a troubled culture to me) is some discretion. When you go up against a team like Minnesota with a lousy pass defense, and you go into the red zone over and over and never get a single passing TD? Maybe don't act like a goofball in press conferences that week as you prepare for a rematch against one of the best teams in the league. Especially when you (ie: Moore and Carter and to a lesser extent Mike White) were part of the problem against Minnesota. When you (DJ Reed, whose play this year I have generally LOVED) get torched by Minnesota's best receiver for a TD that proves to be the difference in the game? Maybe don't shit talk that receiver after the game. When your team is falling out of playoff contention, and it's time to man up and save the season, maybe think that THIS might not be the best time to lobby for a Pro Bowl spot (including offering signed swag in exchange for votes), ESPECIALLY when you are already one of the top vote-getters.

You said that Zach Wilson's "No" was the worst quote of the year. First off, he wasn't "taking no blame for the loss." He was responding to a question about whether he "let the defense down." It was the wrong answer, but it wasn't NEARLY as bad as the narrative Rich Cimini has the team and its fans singing, and it came from a position of frustration at having just lost a game against a rival. Since that point, several players have done/said things that have been far more self-centered, only to be celebrated for it.

You mention that other than QB play (I'm assuming Zach Wilson), this has been a great season because the team was expected to get only 4.5 wins and they currently have 7. The record with non-Wilson QBs for this team is 2-4, and the only two wins were against the worst team in the league (Chicago) and a fluke miracle game against Cleveland. The other 5 wins had Wilson under QB against, by far, the hardest part of the schedule (more than half of his games were against top 6 defenses). People are so upset about the NE game that they aren't giving him credit for a lot of what he did right in his other six games. He hasn't been perfect by any stretch, but he hasn't deserved all the shit that's come his way either.

Elijah Moore has accomplished f*** all in this league and demanded a trade, flipped out on his coaches, and had to be sent home because he was pouting. He should have been traded immediately. Instead, his teammates (including Zach Wilson) came out with quotes puffing him up. He was given his spot back and given exactly what he'd been pouting over (more targets). He still doesn't come up with a reception half the time, and his production has still been shit. Yet the team/coach/fans all seem to love him again? Z. Wilson said "No" in frustration, realized he screwed up, apologized to the team, and has since worked to get back without making a scene or demanding a trade. He's done this while his teammates spent weeks making passive aggressive digs at him in the media and online. He's done this while his replacement has been praised for doing things that Wilson has been roasted over (look back at the first NE game and the Vikings game and tell me how different those performances were, beyond the fact that NE has a top 5 defense, White actually got some help from the ground game, and Wilson actually found the end zone).

And the reason I've been frustrated is because the optimism was there for the beginning of the season. They DID stockpile a lot of great talent. But the difference between winning and...well...being the Jets is having a roster of great talent that can play like a team. I see too many individuals lately, and not enough being done by the coaching staff to get that under control. I've lived long enough to see the signs of "same ol Jets" when I see them.

Yes, the first 3 games were with Flacco, who is a statue, they were going to be lucky to win one of those games, and they needed a miracle to get one. Best case without Zach was going to be 1-2 in those games, and honestly most probably thought 0-3.

The problem with the Zach was 5-2 record is he really only showed well in that Pittsburgh 4th quarter.

He got insanely lucky in that Denver game that ridiculous sack he took wasn’t a fumble, and Hall won them the game on a long run. Hall and the defense/special teams saved him in the Green Bay game. The two best things he has going for him were the Steelers 4th quarter, where he actually looked like a legit threat, and I’ll give him credit for not throwing a pick vs Buffalo, but the last drive they literally let him throw 1 5 yard pass on the entire drive.

You know as a Jets fan, the Pats games are always going to be treated as the two biggest games of the season, he threw them both away.

It would be nice over the next two games for him to take the job back for good, the defenses he is about to play are the easiest he will face this year.

I really hope he does it, go 3-1 here, and either get the 7 seed or just have some positive momentum going into next season.

I still think trade this summer will be the most likely thing to happen at QB, but with Zach on his rookie deal, I hope he proves me wrong here the next 4 weeks.

I’m not even a Mike White fan, he’s a nice backup that honestly was outplayed by Strev this summer, plus this is now the second year he got hurt very fast, don’t really care if he’s back next year, and they definitely shouldn’t go into the season with him as the starter.

 

[Synergy27]

How do you Jets fans feel about possibly trading for Trey Lance? There are rumors that Brady wants to finish his career in SF. I don’t see how they hold onto Lance if that happens.

Would you guys be open to trading some picks for Lance?

How do you Jets fans feel about possibly trading for Trey Lance? There are rumors that Brady wants to finish his career in SF. I don’t see how they hold onto Lance if that happens.

Would you guys be open to trading some picks for Lance?

 

[smoneil]

Yes, the first 3 games were with Flacco, who is a statue, they were going to be lucky to win one of those games, and they needed a miracle to get one. Best case without Zach was going to be 1-2 in those games, and honestly most probably thought 0-3.

The problem with the Zach was 5-2 record is he really only showed well in that Pittsburgh 4th quarter.

He got insanely lucky in that Denver game that ridiculous sack he took wasn’t a fumble, and Hall won them the game on a long run. Hall and the defense/special teams saved him in the Green Bay game. The two best things he has going for him were the Steelers 4th quarter, where he actually looked like a legit threat, and I’ll give him credit for not throwing a pick vs Buffalo, but the last drive they literally let him throw 1 5 yard pass on the entire drive.

You know as a Jets fan, the Pats games are always going to be treated as the two biggest games of the season, he threw them both away.

It would be nice over the next two games for him to take the job back for good, the defenses he is about to play are the easiest he will face this year.

I really hope he does it, go 3-1 here, and either get the 7 seed or just have some positive momentum going into next season.

I still think trade this summer will be the most likely thing to happen at QB, but with Zach on his rookie deal, I hope he proves me wrong here the next 4 weeks.

I’m not even a Mike White fan, he’s a nice backup that honestly was outplayed by Strev this summer, plus this is now the second year he got hurt very fast, don’t really care if he’s back next year, and they definitely shouldn’t go into the season with him as the starter.

I don't disagree with most of this. My take from day one was that Wilson should have had a clipboard in his hand and a coach/vet in his ear all of last year. Not even signing a vet backup until late in the game was just stupid for a kid coming in with a ton of talent and almost no high end experience. The question now is, can you re-set the screwed up developmental curve. I don't know. I honestly don't think Lafleur is capable of it (he doesn't have a ton of experience either), and Saleh is a defense guy. The problem is that the defense and the weapons are too good for the team to have a high draft pick anytime soon. There's no great answer here. It's too early to give up on a second overall pick, but it may be too late to fix what they broke. Anyone they can sign who would be happy to potentially be the backup to Wilson next year won't be good enough to be the starter for a team with Super Bowl aspirations. These next few games are going to be crucial, and honestly, a playoff game could be the deciding factor (to see how he reacts under pressure).

I will say that we've seen flashes from him. I agree with your assessment of the Pittsburgh game, but by the same token, he played a great game in the first NE match-up--aside from one quarter. You could see him starting to put it together, minimizing turnovers, trying to figure out where to go big, etc. Then they screwed him up and wouldn't stop talking about how he had to be comfortable throwing the ball away more and taking no chances, and...the 2nd NE game happened.

In an ideal world, they would have signed a vet to a two year deal the year they drafted Wilson, gotten the kid into a game here or a game there, and next year would have been his coming out party. That ship has sailed. Hopefully they can still salvage something from it. If they do keep him as the #1 guy, I hope they sign a Fitz-style teaching backup, and pick up a QB in rounds 2 or 3 to be a developmental QB in case he can't cut it.

 

[sbjnyc]

no, w'Lawrence gone the pick is Wilson if you go QB, not Fields
Wilson obv guilty of mistakes but I see already he is better than Darnold
We will be fine if/when we get him OL, specifically OT help

I will be the first to crucify this kid if it truly is 111% on him, but he gets a partial pass until he has decent enuf protection

I kept saying not to draft a QB but to trade down and sign a solid vet.

 

[sbjnyc]

You left out Zach going to the podium saying he took no blame for that loss, that was the most embarrassing quote of the season.

Then complaining about the wind despite it seemingly only affecting him and not Mac Jones.

How do you Jets fans feel about possibly trading for Trey Lance? There are rumors that Brady wants to finish his career in SF. I don’t see how they hold onto Lance if that happens.

No. SF traded 3 firsts for a guy Shanahan didn't even want. If it's up to me I'm trading Zach to someone and signing Jimmy G. No chance SF does that either. They are not trading Lance to sign a 46 yo. Would be almost comedically dumb.

 

[Synergy27]

Then complaining about the wind despite it seemingly only affecting him and not Mac Jones.



No. SF traded 3 firsts for a guy Shanahan didn't even want. If it's up to me I'm trading Zach to someone and signing Jimmy G. No chance SF does that either. They are not trading Lance to sign a 46 yo. Would be almost comedically dumb.

That is what makes me think Lance is available. That offense just needs a game manager. I feel like a dynamic, running QB is actually counterproductive in that environment.

Brady at 46 is probably still better than Jimmy G. and Brock Purdy.

Lance with the Garrett Wilson and Breece Hall sounds super intriguing to me.

 

[NickyFotiu]

That is what makes me think Lance is available. That offense just needs a game manager. I feel like a dynamic, running QB is actually counterproductive in that environment.

Brady at 46 is probably still better than Jimmy G. and Brock Purdy.

Lance with the Garrett Wilson and Breece Hall sounds super intriguing to me.

What is it about Lance that you feel will be better than what you have?

 

[Synergy27]

What is it about Lance that you feel will be better than what you have?

It’s the chance at a top QB at what I assume would be a lower price. It’s a risk/lottery ticket type of move.

 

[NickyFotiu]

It’s the chance at a top QB at what I assume would be a lower price. It’s a risk/lottery ticket type of move.

I understand but is he a better thrower than Zach?

 

[bernmeister]

I kept saying not to draft a QB but to trade down and sign a solid vet.

I wanted to parlay 2OA + Darnold into like 4OA (ATL) -ish + another top 10 this yr + OT from SF
have forgotten the exact combo of moves
think it might have been along lines of
Darnold + 2 for 4 ++++
I wanted Sewell + a bookend T from Niners

Niners moved up to 3OA
so, possible

but now with this die cast, still think Wilson could be our best QB since B'way Joe Willie
BUT
he has to get comfy recognizing NFL defenses/intensity
and weapons help
but he needs protections esp Ts

 

[bernmeister]

I understand but is he a better thrower than Zach?

Zack + Trey both have great arms

If NY were to deal for Trey, it would only be now, and only to be opportunistic.
Lance is out and Jimmy G done for the year
Purdy worked out for them, but that is an unknown

If they did a QB of the future for a QB of the future who may be available post season or start at training camp next yr in which case we start White now, BUT we are getting a stud OT now,
THAT would be something to consider

but otherwise, no coke for pepsi

 

[NickyFotiu]

Zack + Trey both have great arms

If NY were to deal for Trey, it would only be now, and only to be opportunistic.
Lance is out and Jimmy G done for the year
Purdy worked out for them, but that is an unknown

If they did a QB of the future for a QB of the future who may be available post season or start at training camp next yr in which case we start White now, BUT we are getting a stud OT now,
THAT would be something to consider

but otherwise, no coke for pepsi

Great arms but who is the better passer. That is the question to be thought of. Trey had some bad throws. Zach had some bad throws.

 

[Synergy27]

I understand but is he a better thrower than Zach?

I might be better than Zach.

 

[NickyFotiu]

I might be better than Zach.

I'm a Giants fan but looking at Zach and Trey I think both have things to be optimistic and worried about so I can not make the call between the two players. IN a 1 for 1 trade it would be impossible to pick a winner today.