OT: Football Thread

[Ben Grimm]

Revis among 1st-year eligible HOF semifinalists

Darrelle Revis is one of five first-year eligible players among 28 modern day semifinalists for the Pro Football Hall of Fame's class of 2023.

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Aaron Rodgers’ contract is impossibly bad for the Packers’ future

Rodgers holds all the power, and the Packers are in trouble.

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Aaron Rodgers is turning 39 on December 2nd, has won only one Conference title in his entire career, has been terrible by his own standards, on pace for his worst season since becoming a starter in 2008, and has a bad contract. Trading for him would be really dumb.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

No interest in that tool Rodgers.

 

[NickyFotiu]

You want to tear your ACL, too?

Too slow to tear it.

 

[NickyFotiu]

If you swapped Daniel Jones for Zach Wilson with the Jets WR and defense, I think the Jets might contend this year.

 

[RangerBlues]

Booger sez Wilson got issues.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

Ryan Leaf is great on Twitter

 

[duhmetreE]

Just do the unthinkable....

Sign Tom Brady

 

[Brutananadilewski]

If you swapped Daniel Jones for Zach Wilson with the Jets WR and defense, I think the Jets might contend this year.

I think Jones' confidence in airing the ball would grow tenfold because our receivers couldn't even catch an STD with a .69 cent hooker.

 

[smoneil]

The issue is the Jets keep drafting these kids without enough college games under their belts and then rush them into the lineup.

Darnold only had 27 games to his name. Same for Sanchez. Wilson had 30. Yeah, Josh Allen also had 27 games, but he sat for the first month and change of his rookie season, and would have sat the whole year if not for an injury opening.

Compare that to the best QB the team has drafted in decades--Chad Pennington had 38 games on his resume and still sat for two years. Deshaun Watson had 38 games. Russell Wilson played 50 college games. Tom Brady played 29 games, but sat his first year (and may have sat longer if the Jets hadn't killed Bledsoe). The NFL is no place for learning on the fly. They need to draft someone with a bit more of a track record and then they need to give him more time with a clipboard before being thrown to the wolves.

They also screwed up by going rookie across the board (coach, OC, and QB). Yeah, Wilson missed some obvious passes Sunday, but is it his fault that the team (aside from his own 26 yards on the ground) only rushed for 33 yards? When nothing works, I look at the coordinator, and Lafleur doesn't have a ton of experience himself. He was an intern just eight years ago. He was only an OC twice before in his career, for two years at St. Joseph's (a D-II private school that closed its doors for a while) and for one year at Davidson (D-I but in the Pioneer League for f***'s sake).

The 49ers relieved him of his title of WR coach and replaced him with Wes Welker and the highest position he's ever had in the NFL was "Passing Game Coordinator."

The problem is that the team has an OC who is out of his depth, a HC who is known as a culture building cheerleader (who currently seems to have a fractured locker room), a QB who should have been developed as the raw project that he always was, and no real alternative for any of those problems. The only thing holding it all together is Jeff Ulbrich's defense and Joe Douglas's drafting.

Also, f*** Rich Cimini for intentionally and gleefully trying to stir up shit in the locker room every single week.

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

The issue is the Jets keep drafting these kids without enough college games under their belts and then rush them into the lineup.

Darnold only had 27 games to his name. Same for Sanchez. Wilson had 30. Yeah, Josh Allen also had 27 games, but he sat for the first month and change of his rookie season, and would have sat the whole year if not for an injury opening.

Compare that to the best QB the team has drafted in decades--Chad Pennington had 38 games on his resume and still sat for two years. Deshaun Watson had 38 games. Russell Wilson played 50 college games. Tom Brady played 29 games, but sat his first year (and may have sat longer if the Jets hadn't killed Bledsoe). The NFL is no place for learning on the fly. They need to draft someone with a bit more of a track record and then they need to give him more time with a clipboard before being thrown to the wolves.

They also screwed up by going rookie across the board (coach, OC, and QB). Yeah, Wilson missed some obvious passes Sunday, but is it his fault that the team (aside from his own 26 yards on the ground) only rushed for 33 yards? When nothing works, I look at the coordinator, and Lafleur doesn't have a ton of experience himself. He was an intern just eight years ago. He was only an OC twice before in his career, for two years at St. Joseph's (a D-II private school that closed its doors for a while) and for one year at Davidson (D-I but in the Pioneer League for f***'s sake).

The 49ers relieved him of his title of WR coach and replaced him with Wes Welker and the highest position he's ever had in the NFL was "Passing Game Coordinator."

The problem is that the team has an OC who is out of his depth, a HC who is known as a culture building cheerleader (who currently seems to have a fractured locker room), a QB who should have been developed as the raw project that he always was, and no real alternative for any of those problems. The only thing holding it all together is Jeff Ulbrich's defense and Joe Douglas's drafting.

Also, f*** Rich Cimini for intentionally and gleefully trying to stir up shit in the locker room every single week.

Saleh has been fine and has improved from year 1. The OC is also fine, I see players constantly schemed open that Wilson just doesn't connect to them on a daily basis.

Wilson can't even hit a screen pass, that's not on the OC.

If the locker room is fractured, it's because they know Wilson ain't it (at least right now).

 

[smoneil]

Saleh has been fine and has improved from year 1. The OC is also fine, I see players constantly schemed open that Wilson just doesn't connect to them on a daily basis.

Wilson can't even hit a screen pass, that's not on the OC.

If the locker room is fractured, it's because they know Wilson ain't it (at least right now).

33 yards rushing. Stale, predictable play calling. Lafleur is a problem. That's not to say that Wilson isn't also a problem, but the Jets aren't going to go far with either this year.

 

[LionsHeart]

We’re this far into the season and I still have no idea what the Giants should do at QB going forward. In hindsight they should’ve picked up Jones’s fifth year option, but who saw this season coming?

That being said, he really just doesn’t make things happen down the field. He’s a good game manager who can make plays with his legs, but he just doesn’t make a whole lot happen down the field, even when the play is available. Then again, outside of Slayton his receivers are rotten. Losing Bellinger, and now Robinson is really hurting the passing game.

So what do you do? This QB draft class isn’t as good as everyone hoped, and you don’t want to take a QB because you have to, but do you really want to sign Jones to a long term deal? To me he’s a good bridge to the next QB, but if you’re in his position why would you accept that when you could probably go her a starter somewhere?

 

[jerseyjinx94]

We’re this far into the season and I still have no idea what the Giants should do at QB going forward. In hindsight they should’ve picked up Jones’s fifth year option, but who saw this season coming?

That being said, he really just doesn’t make things happen down the field. He’s a good game manager who can make plays with his legs, but he just doesn’t make a whole lot happen down the field, even when the play is available. Then again, outside of Slayton his receivers are rotten. Losing Bellinger, and now Robinson is really hurting the passing game.

So what do you do? This QB draft class isn’t as good as everyone hoped, and you don’t want to take a QB because you have to, but do you really want to sign Jones to a long term deal? To me he’s a good bridge to the next QB, but if you’re in his position why would you accept that when you could probably go her a starter somewhere?

Agree on the option but they can always tag him, they have a ton of cap space next year if I remember correctly

 

[Gordon Bombay]

33 yards rushing. Stale, predictable play calling. Lafleur is a problem. That's not to say that Wilson isn't also a problem, but the Jets aren't going to go far with either this year.

The Pats stacked the box making Wilson have to beat them. They’ve ran the ball great all year

 

[LionsHeart]

Agree on the option but they can always tag him, they have a ton of cap space next year if I remember correctly

They could, but if they want to do that they should get Barkley signed up.

Which leads to the next problem. Do you give big money to a position with a short shelf life?

Schoen really was handed a tough situation.

 

[Boris Zubov]

We’re this far into the season and I still have no idea what the Giants should do at QB going forward. In hindsight they should’ve picked up Jones’s fifth year option, but who saw this season coming?

That being said, he really just doesn’t make things happen down the field. He’s a good game manager who can make plays with his legs, but he just doesn’t make a whole lot happen down the field, even when the play is available. Then again, outside of Slayton his receivers are rotten. Losing Bellinger, and now Robinson is really hurting the passing game.

So what do you do? This QB draft class isn’t as good as everyone hoped, and you don’t want to take a QB because you have to, but do you really want to sign Jones to a long term deal? To me he’s a good bridge to the next QB, but if you’re in his position why would you accept that when you could probably go her a starter somewhere?

Try to work out a short term deal. 2-3 years max. Worst case scenario you franchise him. I know the number will suck for a year, but you can't commit long term to this guy, he's not good enough to win a Super Bowl.

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

33 yards rushing. Stale, predictable play calling. Lafleur is a problem. That's not to say that Wilson isn't also a problem, but the Jets aren't going to go far with either this year.

That's what happens when the Pats know they can stack the box on Wilson. Lafleur isn't the problem at all. It's no surprise that any other QB besides Wilson over the last couple of years has been able to run his offense without an issue.

 

[IDvsEGO]

33 yards rushing. Stale, predictable play calling. Lafleur is a problem. That's not to say that Wilson isn't also a problem, but the Jets aren't going to go far with either this year.

Lafleur isn’t the issue. When every team knows that the only way the jets will win is by rushing, it’s 10 men in the box.
Our oline is incredibly banged up, so even one extra man in the box hurts.
There’s so many wide open receivers on the all-22. Wilson is just missing them.

It’s not mlf

 

[JimmyG89]

 

[sbjnyc]

Zach benched - hope its not Flacco but I'd like to see Streveler given an opportunity.

 

[Boris Zubov]

Good on Saleh for having the balls to bench that kid. It was the obvious move, but one most coaches don't have the stones to make.

 

[duhmetreE]

Good on Saleh for having the balls to bench that kid. It was the obvious move, but one most coaches don't have the stones to make.

He didn't sound like it post-game but the team has spoken.

 

[Crease]

Almost certainly White or Flacco on Sunday. Kind of want to see if they can catch lightning in a bottle with Streveler, but the game is too important to go with a complete unknown.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Almost certainly White or Flacco on Sunday. Kind of want to see if they can catch lightning in a bottle with Streveler, but the game is too important to go with a complete unknown.

It’s confirmed. White is starting.

 

[JimmyG89]

It’s confirmed. White is starting.

And Flacco is backing him up. Wilson getting a hard reset on his season.

I still think within the next few weeks he is back on the field.