OT: Football Thread

[17futurecap]

Steve Gelbs has had it.

Pretty funny, they literally have nothing to say because it’s just them repeating everything they say every stupid week.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Jets actually win this game if they score 3 more tds and a 2 point conversion.

 

[will1066]

Jets actually win this game if they score 3 more tds and a 2 point conversion.

The end zone might as well be on Mars

 

[Crease]

In the last 5 seasons, only four teams have scored 8 or fewer offensive touchdowns through 8 games:

2019 Jets
2020 Jets
2023 Giants
2023 Jets

 

[17futurecap]

In the last 5 seasons, only four teams have scored 8 or fewer offensive touchdowns through 8 games:

2019 Jets
2020 Jets
2023 Giants
2023 Jets

New York sports is a dumpster fire.

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

In the last 5 seasons, only four teams have scored 8 or fewer offensive touchdowns through 8 games:

2019 Jets
2020 Jets
2023 Giants
2023 Jets

There’s a lot of crazy Jets offense stats that display their yearly ineptitude but that might be my favorite one. We really do this every year. The most putrid, no fun, unwatchable brand of bad football. There’s nothing enjoyable

 

[NickyFotiu]

There’s a lot of crazy Jets offense stats that display their yearly ineptitude but that might be my favorite one. We really do this every year. The most putrid, no fun, unwatchable brand of bad football. There’s nothing enjoyable

Jets still have a chance at playoffs. Still 9 games to go and they have a top 5 defense.

 

[Ruggs225]

Is it hackett?
The o/line
Wilson

I cant tell anymore. It might be all three

 

[nyr2k2]

Is it hackett?
The o/line
Wilson

I cant tell anymore. It might be all three

I think it is all three. I also think that right now the OL is the biggest culprit, because it prevents any kind of real gameplan from being successful and gives Wilson no chance. Then I'd say it's Hackett, whose play calling defies all logic. Wilson might be the least culpable at this point, which is scary because he's terrible.

 

[Ruggs225]

I think it is all three. I also think that right now the OL is the biggest culprit, because it prevents any kind of real gameplan from being successful and gives Wilson no chance. Then I'd say it's Hackett, whose play calling defies all logic. Wilson might be the least culpable at this point, which is scary because he's terrible.

And i dont think Rodgers will be successful if he comes back because of that line . Dude is a pylon.

 

[sbjnyc]

Do you think its possible that the older generations often pass on their team loyalties to their kids? My dad was a Knicks, Rangers, and Giants guy who grew up in Brooklyn. So am I despite growing up on LI.

They can but people have a mind of their own. I just think this isn't green bay or pittsburgh where your team seems like your entire identity. In NY I think the old affinities have been dying out the last few decades. I ride the LIRR fairly often and I see every jersey, even the devils.

My parents are from brooklyn - dad was a yankee fan mom was a dodger fan. They were both NY football giant fans but that wasn't such a big deal.

My family are all islander fans except for me. Some people think Queens is on LI so should be islander country but the Isles logo is only nassau and suffolk and excluded queens and brooklyn.

My sister's in laws include brothers one is a jet fan the other is a giant fan. Don't think they care about baseball or hockey. One of my nephews at least will likely be a patriots/red sox fan due to a sports intermarriage.

 

[nyr2k2]

And i dont think Rodgers will be successful if he comes back because of that line . Dude is a pylon.

Yup. He will likely do better hitting his first and maybe second read, but otherwise he stands no chance. The dreams of him shifting around in the pocket for a few seconds and then throwing bombs to Wilson down the field, it's not going to happen with this line.

 

[NickyFotiu]

They can but people have a mind of their own. I just think this isn't green bay or pittsburgh where your team seems like your entire identity. In NY I think the old affinities have been dying out the last few decades. I ride the LIRR fairly often and I see every jersey, even the devils.

My parents are from brooklyn - dad was a yankee fan mom was a dodger fan. They were both NY football giant fans but that wasn't such a big deal.

My family are all islander fans except for me. Some people think Queens is on LI so should be islander country but the Isles logo is only nassau and suffolk and excluded queens and brooklyn.

My sister's in laws include brothers one is a jet fan the other is a giant fan. Don't think they care about baseball or hockey. One of my nephews at least will likely be a patriots/red sox fan due to a sports intermarriage.

There will always be outliers. In my family my dad, stepmom, and 2 brothers all rooted for the same 4 teams but I was a Yankee fan not a Mets fan so I was the outlier in my family. On LI in the 1980's it was about 50% Rangers fans and 50% Islander fans. I have no idea how that is now though, NYC was overwhelmingly NY Rangers back then.

 

[nyr2k2]

My dad was born in Brooklyn and later moved to Brookville as a kid. He was a Mets/Jets/Islanders fan. Originally Dodgers before the Mets, originally Rangers before the Islanders.

I mostly followed him with the obvious exception being Rangers instead of Islanders. That was a fun back and forth for us though I don't think he hated the Rangers the way a lot of Islanders fans did as they were once his team. I even followed him on things like college football with Navy (he was a Marine). Though it's kind of tough now following Navy without him around to talk about it, LOL.

I do think that a vast majority of team allegiances are things that are inherited. There are always random deviations (my son roots for the Seahawks) but I think it's gotta be like 80%+ of that stuff is handed down.

 

[mxyxptlk]

Yup. He will likely do better hitting his first and maybe second read, but otherwise he stands no chance. The dreams of him shifting around in the pocket for a few seconds and then throwing bombs to Wilson down the field, it's not going to happen with this line.

I can't think of one QB -- past or present -- who will survive behind the Jets' o-line. You cannot be successful without a ground game -- I know I must be wrong, but the last time I remember Jets being successful on the ground was when Curtis was here. (When was the last time Jets had a 100-yard rusher in a game.....hell, when was last time Jets as a team ran for 100+.)

That being said, defenses can just sit because they know Jets will attempt to throw 8 out of 10 times but NEVER down field....so it seems they blitz on every play...there are no receivers open and O-line can't buy them the extra time to see if receivers can separate.

Until they fix that line and the running game, Jets are going nowhere.

 

[Ruggs225]

I can't think of one QB -- past or present -- who will survive behind the Jets' o-line. You cannot be successful without a ground game -- I know I must be wrong, but the last time I remember Jets being successful on the ground was when Curtis was here. (When was the last time Jets had a 100-yard rusher in a game.....hell, when was last time Jets as a team ran for 100+.)

That being said, defenses can just sit because they know Jets will attempt to throw 8 out of 10 times but NEVER down field....so it seems they blitz on every play...there are no receivers open and O-line can't buy them the extra time to see if receivers can separate.

Until they fix that line and the running game, Jets are going nowhere.

Vick

Thats it

 

[SA16]

I can't think of one QB -- past or present -- who will survive behind the Jets' o-line. You cannot be successful without a ground game -- I know I must be wrong, but the last time I remember Jets being successful on the ground was when Curtis was here. (When was the last time Jets had a 100-yard rusher in a game.....hell, when was last time Jets as a team ran for 100+.)

That being said, defenses can just sit because they know Jets will attempt to throw 8 out of 10 times but NEVER down field....so it seems they blitz on every play...there are no receivers open and O-line can't buy them the extra time to see if receivers can separate.

Until they fix that line and the running game, Jets are going nowhere.

I think any competent QB would be fine behind the Jets o-line. When you have a guy at QB who has no awareness and terrible decision making it makes everything appear significantly worse.

The last time the Jets had a 100 yard rusher was literally four weeks ago.

 

[Chytilmania]

Both Zach and Hackett need to go.

No idiot, they didn’t score 1.

Because Hackett is a jackass. Only a HOF QB can understand his offense. And it took him two years to fully understand it. You’re a coach, you should put your players in a position to succeed. Not try to be the smartest in the room.

 

[nyr2k2]

I think any competent QB would be fine behind the Jets o-line. When you have a guy at QB who has no awareness and terrible decision making it makes everything appear significantly worse.

The last time the Jets had a 100 yard rusher was literally four weeks ago.

Wilson might make the line look worse by having no awareness, but the line is still objectively awful. It was the team's biggest question mark coming into the season and all they've done is lose guys to injury and see others play unexpectedly awful like Becton. They're basically running out backups at most positions or guys are lining up in spots that they either never have or rarely have before. It's a total shit show. The offensive line was a gamble that failed and then crashed into a ditch and caught on fire. I don't buy for a second that "any competent QB" would be "fine" behind this line. Some guys might be able to make it work, but they're not going to be "fine."

 

[mxyxptlk]

I think any competent QB would be fine behind the Jets o-line. When you have a guy at QB who has no awareness and terrible decision making it makes everything appear significantly worse.

The last time the Jets had a 100 yard rusher was literally four weeks ago.

Thanks....I totally missed that stat.

 

[nyr2k2]

Breece Hall has rushes of 72 and 83 yards on the season. Without those he's averaging 2.72 YPC. Of course you can't just ignore those two big runs, but the point is that most weeks the Jets rushing attack is just as impotent as any other element of their offense. The way they're built now they have to hope Breece Hall hits a home run or else they probably won't score a touchdown. The offensive line is an enormous part of that.

EDIT: To say nothing of Dalvin Cook, who, while getting older in RB years, is having by far his least effective season ever.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Wilson might make the line look worse by having no awareness, but the line is still objectively awful. It was the team's biggest question mark coming into the season and all they've done is lose guys to injury and see others play unexpectedly awful like Becton. They're basically running out backups at most positions or guys are lining up in spots that they either never have or rarely have before. It's a total shit show. The offensive line was a gamble that failed and then crashed into a ditch and caught on fire. I don't buy for a second that "any competent QB" would be "fine" behind this line. Some guys might be able to make it work, but they're not going to be "fine."

We will give you Evan Neal for a 3rd round pick and a coupon to McDonalds.

 

[Gordon Bombay]

I just don't understand how the Jets line can be so bad after multiple 1st rounders, a 2nd rounder, a signed Pro Bowl guard the year before, and old but once Pro Bowl LT. Someone, I can't remember who, is actually running Chuma Edoga out there as a starter and the OL is competent.

Even worse is the Twitter post by Conner Hughes. How can Dobbs run an offense he's never even practiced with better than what they put out? How can an undrafted Division 2 QB move the ball down field all game and we get nothing against one of the worst defenses in the league?

 

[SA16]

I just don't understand how the Jets line can be so bad after multiple 1st rounders, a 2nd rounder, a signed Pro Bowl guard the year before, and old but once Pro Bowl LT. Someone, I can't remember who, is actually running Chuma Edoga out there as a starter and the OL is competent.

Even worse is the Twitter post by Conner Hughes. How can Dobbs run an offense he's never even practiced with better than what they put out? How can an undrafted Division 2 QB move the ball down field all game and we get nothing against one of the worst defenses in the league?

Because it’s not the o-line. When you have a terrible QB it makes everything look worse

 

[nyr2k2]

Because it’s not the o-line. When you have a terrible QB it makes everything look worse

How would you characterize the Jets offensive line? Both at the start of the season and now that half of them are on IR? Average, above average, below average? Something else?

I'm really curious, because you seem to be ignoring the fact that everyone and their mother knew that the biggest area of concern for this team coming into the year even with Rodgers at QB was the fact that their OL was anchored by a dude pushing 40, a dude who hadn't played for two seasons and had ruined knees, a dude who is good but was coming off a major injury, and then a bunch of other generally random dudes. The line was a MAJOR concern. It sucked the first four snaps leading up to Rodgers blowing out his Achilles and it has just gotten worse in every imaginable way since then.

I said above that a bad QB will make the line look worse, and I think pretty much everyone understands that. But are you honestly going to act like the Jets line doesn't flat out suck, period?