OT: Football Thread

[sbjnyc]

I don't understand what Barkley is doing. Why is he holding out? He will never make back the money he will lose. Sign the tender, prove you're a stud and sign your big deal next season. But you better be more dynamic in the passing game to get the numbers you want.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Then we can just rescind the tag and he can go f*** himself. He does that, he costs himself MILLIONS.

I honestly dare him to hold out and cause an issue.

I'd be okay letting him go if he had a bad attitude but problem is he could sign the tag and still bring sour grapes. I hope not.

I don't understand what Barkley is doing. Why is he holding out? He will never make back the money he will lose. Sign the tender, prove you're a stud and sign your big deal next season. But you better be more dynamic in the passing game to get the numbers you want.

I doubt he holds out of games but he may hold out of training camp which I think is a mistake.

 

[romba]

Barkley is understandably pissed and even after time passes, he’s going to hold a grudge. He won’t come back quickly and put his head down and work at this point, he’s too dug in both with his actions and also his comments. Now to me, the question is will he tell himself ‘this is bigger than me, it’s the principle’ and then have a bit of a messianic complex and not play for a few games/the season, so that other RBs down the line can benefit from his losses. Or will he be smart about his finances and future, take the money, not miss any games and then have a great season and either get another 10 next year if tagged or maybe something with another year added.

It’s not the ideal for him but at this point his options aren’t great.

 

[Bob Richards]

Saquon sitting out would be pointlessly self inflicted damage. No one is going to give him the contract he wants and no GM is going to be spooked by this stunt into paying RBs big money again.

The sport has changed. The position has been devalued tremendously over the last 15 years. It’s over and will likely not come back unless the game fundamentally changes again in someway.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

I'd be okay letting him go if he had a bad attitude but problem is he could sign the tag and still bring sour grapes. I hope not.

And if he does, we can make his life miserable by suspending him for cause.

I mean, he can't just do whatever he wants. He doesn't have that right. I mean, I am about as pro-worker as you can get (I am a borderline Socialist at this point in my life) and even I have my limits with people.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Then we can just rescind the tag and he can go f*** himself. He does that, he costs himself MILLIONS.

I honestly dare him to hold out and cause an issue.

I mean I think he'd prob get more than the Tag if you tried to rescind the tag.
I'm sure theres a team or two thats willing to give him that money.

 

[IronBloodedLion]

I mean I think he'd prob get more than the Tag if you tried to rescind the tag.
I'm sure theres a team or two thats willing to give him that money.

Have you seen the Running Back market? Saquon shouldn’t get screwed, and the RB market and value isn’t fair, but there is a reality to this situation.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

I mean I think he'd prob get more than the Tag if you tried to rescind the tag.
I'm sure theres a team or two thats willing to give him that money.

Who has cap room to give him more than what he'd get on the tag? And who would even do that in the first place? The market is pretty much set. If you aren't a two-way threat like CM, you aren't getting over $11-12M or so.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Who has cap room to give him more than what he'd get on the tag? And who would even do that in the first place? The market is pretty much set. If you aren't a two-way threat like CM, you aren't getting over $11-12M or so.

Isnt that exactly what he is though? Not properly used but he does have the hands to do that same role.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

Isnt that exactly what he is though? Not properly used but he does have the hands to do that same role.

He absolutely does not have the hands. Barkley drops far too many easy passes (hence his very mediocre pass receiving rating from PFF).

Kamara and CM are both a full tier above Barkley in terms of pass catching. And I don't see either of them dropping balls behind the line of scrimmage like Barkley does often.

 

[sbjnyc]

Saquon sitting out would be pointlessly self inflicted damage. No one is going to give him the contract he wants and no GM is going to be spooked by this stunt into paying RBs big money again.

Especially after the jets and leveon bell incident.

 

[Gordon Bombay]

Saquon should sit the year out. He can learn the same stupid mistake Leveon Bell did

 

[sbjnyc]

He absolutely does not have the hands. Barkley drops far too many easy passes (hence his very mediocre pass receiving rating from PFF).

Kamara and CM are both a full tier above Barkley in terms of pass catching. And I don't see either of them dropping balls behind the line of scrimmage like Barkley does often.

His 5.9 yards per catch is one of the drivers of the Giants decision not to give him a big contact.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Have you seen the Running Back market? Saquon shouldn’t get screwed, and the RB market and value isn’t fair, but there is a reality to this situation.

I mean I wouldn't say fair. Running back is the only position where the players are viewed as "replacable".
Every other skill position if you get a pro-bowl player, you want to keep them until they retire.

 

[Bob Richards]

He absolutely does not have the hands. Barkley drops far too many easy passes (hence his very mediocre pass receiving rating from PFF).

Kamara and CM are both a full tier above Barkley in terms of pass catching. And I don't see either of them dropping balls behind the line of scrimmage like Barkley does often.

Yup. Saquon is honestly not a great receiving back. He's good in the passing game in the sense that putting the ball in his hands in open space is good. But as an actual receiver out of the backfield? He's not that great.

 

[romba]

He called a RB conference call for RBs around the league for how to deal with the situation. I’m sure they all backed him encouraging him to teach the man a lesson and hold out games to show what they’re missing as if this will encourage change. Really only hurts himself as past evidence of RBs missing time has shown. So dumb.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Barkleys hands are good but not as good as CMC. Barkley doesn't run routes well contrary to what Barkley believes.

 

[ElLeetch]

The days of Lawrence Taylor and Emmit Smith are over. 15-year RBs are no longer a thing. its mostly 5 and out. Someone needs to tell Barkley.

 

[Boris Zubov]

The days of Lawrence Taylor and Emmit Smith are over. 15-year RBs are no longer a thing. its mostly 5 and out. Someone needs to tell Barkley.

I'm assuming you've confused LTs?

 

[Bob Richards]

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

I’m confused I thought it was tag or nothing?

 

[NickyFotiu]

I’m confused I thought it was tag or nothing?

Tag salary or incentives can be increased as long as it remains a one year deal. Cant go below tag or multiyear deal. First time in 18 years a GM did this. Great GM work by Joe.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Tag salary or incentives can be increased as long as it remains a one year deal. Cant go below tag or multiyear deal. First time in 18 years a GM did this. Great GM work by Joe.

Wow, we actually have a GM that’s smart. Now they can tag him again, re sign him or do it again next year and let him walk at 29 (depending on Gray)

 

[Hunter Gathers]

Barkleys hands are good but not as good as CMC. Barkley doesn't run routes well contrary to what Barkley believes.

Mid at best. You can't drop the balls behind the LOS he does and have "good" hands.

Excellent news. Schoen is a fantastic GM.

 

[I Eat Crow]

Good. Get him in camp and get to work and let him earn his deal.