OT: Football Thread

[Gordon Bombay]

I honestly dont know. I do think wilson is fixable. Alot of his issues seem mechanical. Sitting behind someone like rodgers for 2 years could be exactly what he needs.

Wilson's biggest issue is he can't read a field. Maybe Rodgers can fix that, maybe he can't. Wilson also lost the locker room for his BS. Biggest thing is he already should've sat for 2 years, he was a huge product coming out. Prolly JD's biggest mistake, and I think JD has been great for the Jets.

I've never seen a team so desperate for a QB just ignore the guy they drafted 2 years ago so high. At least if it was Rodgers you could say see you in 2 years Zach. If its Lamar signing a 4-5 year deal?

Teams dump QBs like its Tinder. Josh Rosen was gone in a year. Sometimes you know.

Lamar is gonna want term def. I don't really think he's the right fit for this offense, nor do I think Hackett has the brains to alter his offense for Lamar, since he couldn't even do it for Russell Wilson

 

[bernmeister]

Rodgers is not a good move

Better to spend assets on high end OTs, pref younger ones.
With that, even stopgap QBs can be adequate while you wait for real opportunity to emerge

 

[bernmeister]

Wilson's biggest issue is he can't read a field. Maybe Rodgers can fix that, maybe he can't. Wilson also lost the locker room for his BS. Biggest thing is he already should've sat for 2 years, he was a huge product coming out. Prolly JD's biggest mistake, and I think JD has been great for the Jets.

Teams dump QBs like its Tinder. Josh Rosen was gone in a year. Sometimes you know.

Lamar is gonna want term def. I don't really think he's the right fit for this offense, nor do I think Hackett has the brains to alter his offense for Lamar, since he couldn't even do it for Russell Wilson

insightful x 2

Wilson best fit for style is KC; Mahomes has similar skill set and is best suited to elevate Zack as is to a pro game as opposed to breaking Wilson into new mold.
Howev, he def has to improve reads signif asap or he will = epic fail

 

[KennyWu]

 

[East Coast Bias]

Rodgers is not a good move

Better to spend assets on high end OTs, pref younger ones.
With that, even stopgap QBs can be adequate while you wait for real opportunity to emerge

I’m 40 years old and this has been my entire Jets life. At some point they need to take a gamble. No one wants to watch them try to hold teams to under 17 while trying to slap 20 together for another season

 

[NickyFotiu]

Teams dump QBs like its Tinder. Josh Rosen was gone in a year. Sometimes you know.

Lamar is gonna want term def. I don't really think he's the right fit for this offense, nor do I think Hackett has the brains to alter his offense for Lamar, since he couldn't even do it for Russell Wilson

Bad teams may go through high draft pick QBs like tinder but that is not the norm for the league. Rosen was drafted 10. Zach was drafted #2. Usually teams will want to give them more of a chance to show what such a high pick has on their rookie deals regardless of position. Are you guys so certain that Wilson is a bust that can not come around? Why did your scouts feel he was worthy of the #2 pick overall? Steve Young still seems to have faith in him. I agree he was a mess last season.

 

[sbjnyc]

Rodgers is not a good move

Better to spend assets on high end OTs, pref younger ones.
With that, even stopgap QBs can be adequate while you wait for real opportunity to emerge

Rodgers at 39 is the definition of stopgap IMO. Who are you thinking of that'll cost less than $30 million?

 

[East Coast Bias]

Zach Wilson sucks. He can’t read a defense, he folds at pressure, and he has the maturity of a 13 year old. No one is fixing that in NYC.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Rodgers at 39 is the definition of stopgap IMO. Who are you thinking of that'll cost less than $30 million?

What will Jets do if they trade for Rodgers, he gets his money next season and then retires? Will Jets get a deadcap hit in 2024?

 

[bernmeister]

I’m 40 years old and this has been my entire Jets life. At some point they need to take a gamble. No one wants to watch them try to hold teams to under 17 while trying to slap 20 together for another season

Yeah, but if you have a concrete tangible investment in OL, passing game goes up and w/it points.
"trying to slap together" points would not apply so much b'c offense would be able to improved extent to force, to command, such results

 

[bernmeister]

Rodgers at 39 is the definition of stopgap IMO. Who are you thinking of that'll cost less than $30 million?

because there is cap limiting options, would prefer OL gets that $$$.

In Rodgers case, he is selfish arrogant unwilling to take a vaccine shot and risk compromising his teammates overrated QB whose best days are WAY behind

 

[East Coast Bias]

Yeah, but if you have a concrete tangible investment in OL, passing game goes up and w/it points.
"trying to slap together" points would not apply so much b'c offense would be able to improved extent to force, to command, such results

You can’t hide the QB. It doesn’t matter how good your OL is. The league changed dramatically since we did this with Sanchez.

especially in the AFC. There is no way you’re going anywhere with a great OL and some replacement QB. It’s just not happening

 

[IDvsEGO]

What will Jets do if they trade for Rodgers, he gets his money next season and then retires? Will Jets get a deadcap hit in 2024?

I think if Rodgers comes to the jets he lasts 2 years.
He’s got a lot of money in the next 2 years.

 

[sbjnyc]

What will Jets do if they trade for Rodgers, he gets his money next season and then retires? Will Jets get a deadcap hit in 2024?

Any trade for Rodgers would come with a new deal. He already said he's open to it.

because there is cap limiting options, would prefer OL gets that $$$.

In Rodgers case, he is selfish arrogant unwilling to take a vaccine shot and risk compromising his teammates overrated QB whose best days are WAY behind

There are a lot of players who did the same. I agree they are all hypocrites because of all the unregulated snake oil they ingest that they didn't hold to the same standard as the vaccine. But its not like he committed a crime and belongs in prison. I primarily don't like Rodgers because of the way he supported Ryan Braun after Braun lied about a reported to get him fired even though Braun was guilty as sin. But I also think he's the best stopgap as I don't think the draft compensation would be too high - maybe a conditional first?

Regarding OL lets not become the texans. They spend the most on OL and the least on QB. The Chiefs on the other hand spend the 2nd least amount on OL. and 3rd most on QB. Jets are in the top half of OL spending and have a similar positional allocation as the eagles. If Zach didn't suck I think hey'd have competed for the division with Buffalo who I think is overrrated.

The best way to get good OL on the cheap is to draft them. Jets have been doing that but they had a rash of injuries last year. I thought Max Mitchell was pretty solid - hope he makes a full recovery. Overpaying for free agents or trading for overpaid players is a bad solution. I like Duane Brown but they need to redo his deal if he comes back.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Any trade for Rodgers would come with a new deal. He already said he's open to it.


There are a lot of players who did the same. I agree they are all hypocrites because of all the unregulated snake oil they ingest that they didn't hold to the same standard as the vaccine. But its not like he committed a crime and belongs in prison. I primarily don't like Rodgers because of the way he supported Ryan Braun after Braun lied about a reported to get him fired even though Braun was guilty as sin. But I also think he's the best stopgap as I don't think the draft compensation would be too high - maybe a conditional first?

Regarding OL lets not become the texans. They spend the most on OL and the least on QB. The Chiefs on the other hand spend the 2nd least amount on OL. and 3rd most on QB. Jets are in the top half of OL spending and have a similar positional allocation as the eagles. If Zach didn't suck I think hey'd have competed for the division with Buffalo who I think is overrrated.

The best way to get good OL on the cheap is to draft them. Jets have been doing that but they had a rash of injuries last year. I thought Max Mitchell was pretty solid - hope he makes a full recovery. Overpaying for free agents or trading for overpaid players is a bad solution. I like Duane Brown but they need to redo his deal if he comes back.

I don’t think he needs a new deal. He might’ve said he’s open to it, but he’s still a top 5 paid qb. You renegotiate when you outperform your deal, not when you underperform it.

 

[Filip Chytil]

Jordan Addison is ranked 9 here. He didn't have a great Combine showing, but DJ does not appear to be moved by that.

 

[Filip Chytil]

Delete. Tweet already posted.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Any trade for Rodgers would come with a new deal. He already said he's open to it.

What kind of new deal? He has only played 1 year on his current deal. He is not going to play forever. Some guys drop off the table fast. He did not look that great last season.

 

[sbjnyc]

What kind of new deal? He has only played 1 year on his current deal. He is not going to play forever. Some guys drop off the table fast. He did not look that great last season.

I don’t think he needs a new deal. He might’ve said he’s open to it, but he’s still a top 5 paid qb. You renegotiate when you outperform your deal, not when you underperform it.

Under his current contact he either retires or plays in 2023 under a 3 year $150 million contract with Green Bay getting a massive dead cap hit if he gets traded. Actually I'm not 100% sure of the specifics but it's not that Rodgers is getting a pay cut but the cap numbers have to work out. He has publically said he understands that his deal needs to change if he wants to keep playing. It's just a matter of making the cap hit work for both the packers and whatever team he plays for in 20223, if any.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Under his current contact he either retires or plays in 2023 under a 3 year $150 million contract with Green Bay getting a massive dead cap hit if he gets traded. Actually I'm not 100% sure of the specifics but it's not that Rodgers is getting a pay cut but the cap numbers have to work out. He has publically said he understands that his deal needs to change if he wants to keep playing. It's just a matter of making the cap hit work for both the packers and whatever team he plays for in 20223, if any.

Gb has a massive cap hit this year if he’s traded, and I’m not sure that can be changed.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

Bad teams may go through high draft pick QBs like tinder but that is not the norm for the league. Rosen was drafted 10. Zach was drafted #2. Usually teams will want to give them more of a chance to show what such a high pick has on their rookie deals regardless of position. Are you guys so certain that Wilson is a bust that can not come around? Why did your scouts feel he was worthy of the #2 pick overall? Steve Young still seems to have faith in him. I agree he was a mess last season.

Steve Young only has "faith" since Wilson is, like Young, a Mormon. If this was any other kid, Young would have moved on.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Steve Young only has "faith" since Wilson is, like Young, a Mormon. If this was any other kid, Young would have moved on.

Possibly true. Im not a Jets fan but Id be careful of throwing away a possible talent so young on a rookie contract. Maybe bring him in during garbage time of games to see if he improves.

 

[Filip Chytil]

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

RIP Braxton. He was great in 21 but absolute dog puke in 22.

 

[Gordon Bombay]

Bad teams may go through high draft pick QBs like tinder but that is not the norm for the league. Rosen was drafted 10. Zach was drafted #2. Usually teams will want to give them more of a chance to show what such a high pick has on their rookie deals regardless of position. Are you guys so certain that Wilson is a bust that can not come around? Why did your scouts feel he was worthy of the #2 pick overall? Steve Young still seems to have faith in him. I agree he was a mess last season.

I gotta disagree. 1st round QBs fail more than they succeed. I mean all QB picks fail more, in all honesty.

Wilson has no chance at all with the Jets trying to play through this, this year. The rest of the roster is ready to at least play .500. Wilson is ready to be on an expansion team and work through it.

The scouts liked the arm and the, unironically, Aaron Rodgers style play to him coming out of BYU. What they totally ignored was the lack of competition and his total inability to read a defense, and his own offense.

Steve Young prolly likes him because there's some comparisons between them. Both BYU guys. Similar games with airing it out, Young was more of a rusher. Young was a bust before going to San Fran and playing behind Montana. Wilson is a current bust, people are hoping Rodgers who plays a similar style, will save him.

The problem is the Steve Young stories are far and few between. Rich Gannon and Doug Flutie are some comps in this. Hoping for Wilson to make it is no safe play for any GM, nevermind a fan. Like I said before, Wilson needed to sit his first 2 years, not the next 2 years in his career.