Confirmed with Link: Flyers trade for Erik Johnson. 2024 4th round pick to Buffalo

[GKJ]

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[mja]

No, it's because some people here are f***ing idiots. You AREN'T clear-eyed. The ones with the shit-colored glasses are as off-base as the ones with the rose-colored glasses.

You aren't being clear-eyed here, rather this is just middle ground fallacy shit. Just look at the facts.

This team thinks EJ will help them in the playoffs. They also thought he was worth 4th round pick. Those are both objectively stupid. It's the stupidity that's the issue, it's what will ultimately keep us in perpetual mediocrity.

 

[mercury]

You aren't being clear-eyed here, rather this is just middle ground fallacy shit. Just look at the facts.

This team thinks EJ will help them in the playoffs. They also thought he was worth 4th round pick. Those are both objectively stupid. It's the stupidity that's the issue, it's what will ultimately keep us in perpetual mediocrity.

There is nothing fallacious about it. I don't like this deal. Do you not read the threads in which you comment? A 4th rounder isn't worth much. Johnson is a warm body at this point, but they clearly think he is at least better than Ginning, and they might not be wrong. I think they could have gotten someone better than Johnson for the same or even less. Not a move I would make, but he is a UFA and it doesn't really matter.

I did an extensive breakdown of this trade deadline and gave it a C. Learn to react to what someone actually is saying, and stop with the little company line you clones all parrot every time. It's tiresome.

What you're saying is stupid.

I can say that without whining about it constantly.

It's not, though. I am one of the few non-idiots in this forum at this point. You guys are constant whiners, and you're not even calling things right. It's pathetic.

 

[GKJ]

You aren't being clear-eyed here, rather this is just middle ground fallacy shit. Just look at the facts.

This team thinks EJ will help them in the playoffs. They also thought he was worth 4th round pick. Those are both objectively stupid. It's the stupidity that's the issue, it's what will ultimately keep us in perpetual mediocrity.

If they were in position to win it, I wouldn’t mind this is what they did, or that this is who they got (if they were in that position, he wouldn’t be in the top 7). It’s the process behind the decision. And the fact that we were explicitly told that they wouldn’t trade future assets to win this season.

 

[GKJ]

This guy had to get extra. He couldn’t wear 3 or a number with a 6

 

[freakydallas13]

It's not, though. I am one of the few non-idiots in this forum at this point. You guys are constant whiners, and you're not even calling things right. It's pathetic.

Congrats. You, of the few non-idiots here, repeatedly comes to a website full of what you think are idiots to complain about the idiots. But not you though, you're above all the idiots here.

Would that we could all learn from your wise correctness.

 

[Flyer lurker]

There is nothing fallacious about it. I don't like this deal. Do you not read the threads in which you comment? A 4th rounder isn't worth much. Johnson is a warm body at this point, but they clearly think he is at least better than Ginning, and they might not be wrong. I think they could have gotten someone better than Johnson for the same or even less. Not a move I would make, but he is a UFA and it doesn't really matter.

I did an extensive breakdown of this trade deadline and gave it a C. Learn to react to what someone actually is saying, and stop with the little company line you clones all parrot every time. It's tiresome.


It's not, though. I am one of the few non-idiots in this forum at this point. You guys are constant whiners, and you're not even calling things right. It's pathetic.

I would have preferred dumba for a 5 in a poor draft. But the whinners on here are making it sound like they gave up the fla 1. If trading a 4 in a lousy draft is the worst thing Briere does from year to year, Ill take it.

 

[BringBackHakstol]

I am one of the few non-idiots in this forum at this point.

Great post

 

[GKJ]

 

[Laveuglette]

If they were in position to win it, I wouldn’t mind this is what they did, or that this is who they got (if they were in that position, he wouldn’t be in the top 7). It’s the process behind the decision. And the fact that we were explicitly told that they wouldn’t trade future assets to win this season.

They swapped D-men and got a net positive value in future assets. Saying they didn't stick to the plan because a 4th had to go the other way is just laughable.

We are not last in the league, we are a likely playoffs team and we still were sellers and got a net positive in assets. But you know, you can't go to the playoffs without basic depth. It is sad to have to explain this.

You can disagree with the choice, maybe some guy in the system would have been better, etc etc. I'm not even saying this is a good trade. But it is the decision they made, and it is still coherent with rebuilding despite a low cost to pay. (4th picks are very overrated on hfboards)

 

[GKJ]

They swapped D-men and got a net positive value in future assets. Saying they didn't stick to the plan because a 4th had to go the other way is just laughable.

We are not last in the league, we are a likely playoffs team and we still were sellers and got a net positive in assets. But you know, you can't go to the playoffs without basic depth. It is sad to have to explain this.

There was at least 3 guys on waivers and another guy they could’ve had, that they were in on, that was traded for a 5th and is a 23 year old RFA.

But they said what they said.

 

[Laveuglette]

There was at least 3 guys on waivers and another guy they could’ve had, that they were in on, that was traded for a 5th and is a 23 year old RFA.

But they said what they said.

This is like saying buying Heinz ketchup instead of no-name ketchup is incoherent with saving for a house. The difference between a 4th and a 5th is nothing. They picked the player they thought was the better fit. Are they right? I don't know. But, objectively, they were sellers despite being in a playoffs spot, which is absolutely what Brière said he would do.

 

[Laveuglette]

Congrats. You, of the few non-idiots here, repeatedly comes to a website full of what you think are idiots to complain about the idiots. But not you though, you're above all the idiots here.

Would that we could all learn from your wise correctness.

Nah, he is right to speak up about that lame echo-chamber. Only way to change things and to make this place better is to let know that not everyone agrees with their take.

 

[dats81]

Maybe Risto is done for the year? Otherwise I don’t get it

Probably. Generally, he seems to be a players who heals slowly and takes long recoveries - he always seems to be week to week.

 

[ugiswrong]

This guy had to get extra. He couldn’t wear 3 or a number with a 6

GoKim he would appear as Johnson 3. That’s not good enough, especially for puckbunnies. Johnson 6 is apparently average as they say. 77 would be a flex with a decimal.

 

[smokey]

This guy had to get extra. He couldn’t wear 3 or a number with a 6

Never give up a chance to associate yourself with one of the biggest douchebags this team has ever seen.

 

[mja]

There is nothing fallacious about it. I don't like this deal. Do you not read the threads in which you comment? A 4th rounder isn't worth much. Johnson is a warm body at this point, but they clearly think he is at least better than Ginning, and they might not be wrong. I think they could have gotten someone better than Johnson for the same or even less. Not a move I would make, but he is a UFA and it doesn't really matter.

I did an extensive breakdown of this trade deadline and gave it a C. Learn to react to what someone actually is saying, and stop with the little company line you clones all parrot every time. It's tiresome.


It's not, though. I am one of the few non-idiots in this forum at this point. You guys are constant whiners, and you're not even calling things right. It's pathetic.

1) Yes, it's fallacious. There's nothing inherently correct or reasonable about assuming the middle ground to be true. I refuse to eat shit, while GB happily licks his plate clean. You insisting that I'm being extreme and that a plate of shit is ok eating now and then is f***ing bonkers.

2) IT ALL MATTERS! The next time one of you (non)-idiots type out that something doesn't matter, I'm going to shove a pencil into my eye. Every little decision matters. Attention to detail matters. You aren't going to get them all right, and that's fine, but you make every reasonable effort to be efficient with assets, and to correctly identify which ones can help you build a championship team. This team consistently fails at that, and it's because of a failed organizational culture that values the wrong things, and the change in leadership didn't change that.

3) It isn't that we're all parroting the company line, it's that we have all correctly deduced that the only thing this team is serving up is gigantic plates of shit, and we're done eating it. I barely post at this point, and when I do, it's usually about a fictional hockey team traveling to an alternate dimension. Why? Because this f***ing team's stupidity has robbed me from enjoying the only thing in sports I really actually cared about.

4) And that's what this comes down to: you aren't having any fun talking hockey because the board is being negative. Again, feel free to find a somewhere more to your liking, where it's ok to eat giant plates of shit every once in a while. I hear they do enjoy downing steaming piles of shit over on FB or reddit, so maybe check them out?

If they were in position to win it, I wouldn’t mind this is what they did, or that this is who they got (if they were in that position, he wouldn’t be in the top 7). It’s the process behind the decision. And the fact that we were explicitly told that they wouldn’t trade future assets to win this season.

I'd still have a problem with it, because it would be an objectively bad decision. You don't spend even negligible assets on negative value players, because you don't target them at all! One of the biggest issues this franchise has had is bad pro player evaluations, what with their penchant for washed vets and try-hard jags, which this TDL has once again confirmed to be a problem.

Nah, he is right to speak up about that lame echo-chamber. Only way to change things and to make this place better is to let know that not everyone agrees with their take.

You just want your own echo-chamber, nothing less and nothing more, and I'm actually totally down with that. Start a thread, call it the good vibes only thread. I think the mods might go for that if we can contain all of your shit-eating to that thread. I'll happily ban myself from it until I see anything in this team's process that even remotely smacks of having an actual plan or direction worth getting even tentatively excited about.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Firstly, those are more than enough. Secondly, you tried to downplay the number earlier.

You never admit when you are wrong. You double- and triple-down, because you have no integrity.

3 percent of posts is nothingness. The fact is that you come here determined to whine about other people and you ignore the 97% of discussion that doesn't suit your preferred narrative. So you can focus on the very few comments that confirm what you falsely believe to be true.

How about you try discussing the Flyers instead of the posters? That's what this place is for. It's a sports forum, not an e-gossip club.

 

[Jack Straw]

3 percent of posts is nothingness. The fact is that you come here determined to whine about other people and you ignore the 97% of discussion that doesn't suit your preferred narrative. So you can focus on the very few comments that confirm what you falsely believe to be true.

How about you try discussing the Flyers instead of the posters? That's what this place is for. It's a sports forum, not an e-gossip club.

I think this is an excellent idea. I for one am tired of so many posters here going after a certain poster who shares my affinity for the Grateful Dead. Never really understood their obsession with him.

 

[Starat327]

You know you've hit nadir when you have to play holier than thou on an internet message forum. Yikes.

 

[Striiker]

A tale as old as time

Step 1 - Flyers do something stupid
Step 2 - We say "Wow, that was stupid"
Step 3 - "Enlightened" fans have meltdowns
Step 4 - Back to shitposting

 

[Jack Straw]

You know you've hit nadir when you have to play holier than thou on an internet message forum. Yikes.

But what about those of us who really are holy?

 

[Starat327]

But what about those of us who really are holy?

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Only @BernieParent gets to play this card. I dont make the rules.

 

[Larry44]

1) Yes, it's fallacious. There's nothing inherently correct or reasonable about assuming the middle ground to be true. I refuse to eat shit, while GB happily licks his plate clean. You insisting that I'm being extreme and that a plate of shit is ok eating now and then is f***ing bonkers.

2) IT ALL MATTERS! The next time one of you (non)-idiots type out that something doesn't matter, I'm going to shove a pencil into my eye. Every little decision matters. Attention to detail matters. You aren't going to get them all right, and that's fine, but you make every reasonable effort to be efficient with assets, and to correctly identify which ones can help you build a championship team. This team consistently fails at that, and it's because of a failed organizational culture that values the wrong things, and the change in leadership didn't change that.

3) It isn't that we're all parroting the company line, it's that we have all correctly deduced that the only thing this team is serving up is gigantic plates of shit, and we're done eating it. I barely post at this point, and when I do, it's usually about a fictional hockey team traveling to an alternate dimension. Why? Because this f***ing team's stupidity has robbed me from enjoying the only thing in sports I really actually cared about.

4) And that's what this comes down to: you aren't having any fun talking hockey because the board is being negative. Again, feel free to find a somewhere more to your liking, where it's ok to eat giant plates of shit every once in a while. I hear they do enjoy downing steaming piles of shit over on FB or reddit, so maybe check them out?



I'd still have a problem with it, because it would be an objectively bad decision. You don't spend even negligible assets on negative value players, because you don't target them at all! One of the biggest issues this franchise has had is bad pro player evaluations, what with their penchant for washed vets and try-hard jags, which this TDL has once again confirmed to be a problem.



You just want your own echo-chamber, nothing less and nothing more, and I'm actually totally down with that. Start a thread, call it the good vibes only thread. I think the mods might go for that if we can contain all of your shit-eating to that thread. I'll happily ban myself from it until I see anything in this team's process that even remotely smacks of having an actual plan or direction worth getting even tentatively excited about.

Fantastic post. If they were really rebuilding they wouldn’t have signed the ves that kept kids out of the lineup all year and vets they didn’t deal when they could: Laughton, Hathaway, Poehling, Staal. Especially when they knew Hart was leaving, this was not the year to try to compete. This was the year to find out if Allison, Laczynski, Desnoyers, Attard, Zamula, and Andrae can play. The new mgmt had license to rebuild and tank for a legit 1C or 1D this year and blew it. Now they will miss the playoffs AND miss the elite draft talent. Bravo?

 

[Beef Invictus]

People really really need to stop bringing up Makar...hecwould never...EVER be what he is now here in Philly

I'm not even sure he'd have been used on the PP for years.

 

[Ironmanrulez]

Bad trades never matter. That the whole argument! Late round picks dont matter.
2.7 for 4 years dont matter. 1.x for.dinosaur dont matter. No Backup goalie dont matter. No 3rd.line Center dont matter.

Nothing else matters.

Iam positive now