Confirmed with Link: Flyers trade Cutter Gauthier to Anaheim for Jamie Drysdale and 2025 2nd round pick

[GKJ]

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[BackToTheBrierePatch]

He just fired the puck into defenders skates when they got set up on the first PP.

Did Rocky shake his head up and down in approval?

 

[deadhead]

I thought Gauthier’s floor was 30 goals? Everyone’s favorite franchise sniper, Owen Tippett, spent his entire D+3 in the AHL. Gauthier will be a fine complementary winger. He's too athletic and good of a shooter to not play. But he has never been a center or core piece. At least some of us have been consistent critiquing him.

I'll just add, drafting disappointments happens. Trading for them 4 years into their pro careers is a different animal. I understand the rope Drysdale is getting (playing him PP1 every game of his tenure, never scratching him), but there's nothing meritocratic about it. I can see the front office flop sweat. We've seen far better players than Drysdale get jerked around. Sanheim should get every drop of offensive usage; Andrae, the same age as Drysdale and with 7 career games and less physical talent, looks leagues better.

It was a joke (see meme).

If the alternative was Byram straight up, I'll take Drysdale and a high 2nd rd pick.
Drysdale is a bet that he was mishandled in Anaheim (good bet) and that Shaw may be able to fix him (he taught Risto how to play defense).

If it doesn't work out you move on. Like you said, drafting disappointments happen.
It won't make or break the franchise.
Wings and goalies they got, centers and D-men they need.

 

[trostol]

Some of the takes...

 

[freakydallas13]

It was a joke (see meme).

If the alternative was Byram straight up, I'll take Drysdale and a high 2nd rd pick.
Drysdale is a bet that he was mishandled in Anaheim (good bet) and that Shaw may be able to fix him (he taught Risto how to play defense).

If it doesn't work out you move on. Like you said, drafting disappointments happen.
It won't make or break the franchise.
Wings and goalies they got, centers and D-men they need.

Trading a winger who has a 30 goal floor, for a defender 2 years older who can't defend and a high second is basically trading a winger who has a 30 goal floor for a high second.

Truly a masterful gambit by Briere.

Oh and so much for Flahr's drafting prowess, can't even hit on a 5th overall pick.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

If the alternative was Byram straight up, I'll take Drysdale and a high 2nd rd pick.

There's no rule that they had to get back a player. We have evidence that they tried to trade him straight up for a pick. A fun hypothetical for everyone:

It's draft Day 2024. Drysdale has the same 2023-24 play in Anaheim he has here. How low can you go in the draft before you prefer Drysdale + future Ducks 2 to a 2024 pick?

To me, your answer should be determined by specific players since you can do the trade on the clock. Here's the draft: 2024 NHL Entry Draft Picks at hockeydb.com

Personally, I'm well into the range where I'm confident someone would give me the pick I needed.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

It was a joke (see meme).

If the alternative was Byram straight up, I'll take Drysdale and a high 2nd rd pick.
Drysdale is a bet that he was mishandled in Anaheim (good bet) and that Shaw may be able to fix him (he taught Risto how to play defense).

If it doesn't work out you move on. Like you said, drafting disappointments happen.
It won't make or break the franchise.
Wings and goalies they got, centers and D-men they need.

The legend of Shaw is getting out of hand. Where does it come from? What exactly has done to garner this praise?

One ca say he was mishandled. One can also say he is overhyped and not very good.

 

[deadhead]

What pick do you think they could have gotten for Gauthier?
Montreal certainly didn't think he was worth #5 in 2023, they didn't even make a counter offer.

Maybe #20 (Eiserman)? Doubtful anything in the top 15, I think teams would prefer Buium, Helenius or Luchanko over dealing with Gauthier.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

What pick do you think they could have gotten for Gauthier?
Montreal certainly didn't think he was worth #5, they didn't even make a counter offer.

*Edit* I now see your edit. Thank you.

I find it hard to believe they couldn’t have gotten a pick that lands Eiserman (18-20) since that’s the name you brought up. But I also think that would have been a PR disaster and that does matter to them.

You really don’t think they could have gotten a top 15 pick? Even given the McGroarty return?

 

[freakydallas13]

What pick do you think they could have gotten for Gauthier?
Montreal certainly didn't think he was worth #5 in 2023, they didn't even make a counter offer.

Maybe #20 (Eiserman)? Doubtful anything in the top 15, I think teams would prefer Buium, Helenius or Luchanko over dealing with Gauthier.

You took a question about what you would trade for Drysdale, ignored it, and instead answered a question you posed yourself.

Pretty sure a 20 year old winger who just improved his stock at WJs and is a floor 30 goal guy would get a higher pick than Drysdale and ANA's second btw.

 

[deadhead]

Everyone knows answering a question with a question is rude.

For the record, there are multiple non-lottery picks I don’t even have to think about preferring to Drysdale + future 2 on Draft Day 2024. And yes, I thought so at the time.

Takes two to tango, it's not what you'd prefer, it's what they could actually obtain.

The only names I've heard are Rossi in the summer (after 1 point in 19 games in his rookie cameo) and Byram. I've heard of no team offering a 1st rd pick, just Briere making an offer for Montreal's #5 (probably with a sweetener that hasn't been detailed).

Is Gauthier worth more than Drysdale and a high 2nd? All thing held equal, yes.

But things weren't equal, teams knew the Flyers needed to move Gauthier at some point, and were also wary of him (just b/c you were on the list didn't mean you could trust him to report, if he held up the Flyers, he could change his mind on you). So a substantial discount was almost certain.

 

[freakydallas13]

Takes two to tango, it's not what you'd prefer, it's what they could actually obtain.

Please remember this the next time you tell us about Briere is going to package a bunch of picks to move up in a draft.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Takes two to tango, it's not what you'd prefer, it's what they could actually obtain.

The only names I've heard are Rossi in the summer (after 1 point in 19 games in his rookie cameo) and Byram. I've heard of no team offering a 1st rd pick, just Briere making an offer for Montreal's #5 (probably with a sweetener that hasn't been detailed).

Is Gauthier worth more than Drysdale and a high 2nd? All thing held equal, yes.

But things weren't equal, teams knew the Flyers needed to move Gauthier at some point, and were also wary of him (just b/c you were on the list didn't mean you could trust him to report, if he held up the Flyers, he could change his mind on you). So a substantial discount was almost certain.

No one is talking about NHL players here. That’s not a requirement.

McGroarty just returned the 14th pick in the previous draft who had an excellent D+1. Gauthier was clearly a more highly regarded prospect.