Confirmed with Link: Flyers trade Cutter Gauthier to Anaheim for Jamie Drysdale and 2025 2nd round pick

[GKJ]

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[MiamiScreamingEagles]

Dump on the Flyers. Absolutely. They were delighting in the Flyers getting screwed and embellished it like we'd just missed a Crosby. Dripping with smugness.

A couple games back I nearly asked @MiamiScreamingEagles in a GDT if the Flyers have been irrelevant for long enough that fans, media, and hockey officials will forget their rage about the Flyers being meanies half a century ago.

Got my answer. No. Nobody is forgetting. The Eagles collapse has been met with less dripping smug delight on the same station. It's wild.

I believe it was Andy Bathgate who once held his finger to a camera and when asked about the Flyers, said something to the effect of "See that? That is a finger bite I got in the 1950s." In so many words saying hockey was always a rough game but the Flyers of the 1970s perpetuated this insufferable myth that the game was filled with skaters and lovebugs until roughly 1973. And as Phil Esposito said (paraphrasing) "They played defense, tended goal and scored goals better than any other team for two years." The people who bash the mid-1980s likely never saw the team or are living through a highlight clip of a fight in 1987. Quite honestly, if people want to think the Flyers brand was Bernie Parent and fighting, let them wallow in their self-inflating importance of the misery of perception.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

I believe it was Andy Bathgate who once held his finger to a camera and when asked about the Flyers, said something to the effect of "See that? That is a finger bite I got in the 1950s." In so many words saying hockey was always a rough game but the Flyers of the 1970s perpetuated this insufferable myth that the game was filled with skaters and lovebugs until roughly 1973. And as Phil Esposito said "They played defense, tended goal and scored goals better than any other team for two years." The people who bash the mid-1980s likely never saw the team or are living through a highlight clip of a fight in 1987. Quote honestly, if people want to think the Flyers brand was Bernie Parent and fighting, let them wallow in their self-inflating importance of the misery of perception.

That 80s team is STILL a useful template to follow, most significantly in the fact that they let the youngsters play and (more or less) rolled their lines - at least, that's my perception of them (I was drunk fairly often). But this organization just glosses over it in their messaging and mentality. It's pretty infuriating.

 

[MiamiScreamingEagles]

That 80s team is STILL a useful template to follow, most significantly in the fact that they let the youngsters play and (more or less) rolled their lines - at least, that's my perception of them (I was drunk fairly often). But this organization just glosses over it in their messaging and mentality. It's pretty infuriating.

Look, that was a fun time for those of us who experienced it and in some ways first-hand. But it was 1,000 years ago and younger people don't want to live in someone else's world of pleasures and jocularity. That is understandable. We can rehash history and I can sit here and tell the same feelings of how the Flyers would have won in 1976 with a healthy Parent+ MacLeish (and certainly the removal of Dryden and Montreal's second-line center), of how the team was f***ed multiple times by the NHL and raked over the coals in 1980 and so many more pieces of dysentery. The team is cursed. We can tank and tank and tank but still lose a draft lottery. We know some of the bad mojo is self-inducing. But players have choices these days, lower tax states, better weather, etc. than when Philadelphia was the ideal place to play hockey under Ed Snider. Things changed with the Eric Lindros acquisition. The Flyers went from a fierce unit of some stars but mostly bucket pail players to a superstar who was brought into the fold to win a Cup. It didn't happen. Pronger? The team hasn't recovered since. On and on it goes. The Flyers of the 1980s were a collection of good players who were injury-prone at the wrong time. Edmonton was built with superstars and arguably got the biggest break in NHL history with how they acquired Gretzky. Nothing wrong there. Kane and Bedard to Chicago? Crosby to Pittsburgh? Again and again. The Flyers? Nolan Patrick, James van Riemsdyk and now Cutter Gauthier. It is excruciating. We can bash everyone from Clarke to the fans. Nothing has worked out. Bryzgalov for Richards and Carter -- yes, indirectly! Berube? A "good old boy" who was a meanie won a Cup in St. Louis. Tocchet? Mocked by many as a potential coach here. How is he doing in Van? Maybe he will fail but a "good ole boy" is doing OK. Ultimately, it takes players to win. The right players.

 

[Adtar02]

Gauthier's agent saying it is a "private family matter."

GTFOH with that cop out.

Privately they were mad he didn’t burn and elc year. Hence he changed his mind.

 

[Taluss]

A question, listening to the commentators on the Canadian networks they seem to believe that Gauthier is close to a generational prospect. Was that being said before yesterday? Or just the media being the media. Basically saying even if Drysdale becomes a #1, which he could, they are going to look back at this being a very bad day in the organization’s history losing a player of this magnitude.

Can't answer your question. But got a comment on this.

If Cutter didn't want to be there and you get back someone who turns into a 1D, (rhd as a bonus) that's pretty damn good. I definitely believe Drysdale can get there but injuries concern me.

Imagine the potential return if it was leaked Cutter didn't want to be there. I think the Flyers made the most they could out of an unfortunate situation.

 

[deadhead]

Friedman said as much on Marek's show that that was the best reasoning he heard among his sources and not necessarily a concrete reason. It would be the first of its kind really. I'm not minimizing the money he may have missed out on in the short term, but it's just really odd that if this were such a sticking point...the possible alternative is playing four years of college hockey, pushing his potential earnings down the road, and missing out on 2-3 years of NHL pay and reaching free agency sooner? It doesn't add up. And he would have walked right into 1st line and PP1 opportunities which is going to increase your earning potential more than anything else. We're only really hearing one side of the story right now, but it has to be more egregious than not signing him immediately after his freshman season. And if we are being honest, he wasn't so good last year that he had to be in the NHL. Logan Cooley was and even he signed with Arizona, with all of their uncertainty as a franchise, and not playing any NHL games last year.

The other thing is the Flyers aren't a tight wad organization like some, they have cash flow and do try to take care of their players. So they would be willing to work with Cutter to make up for any loss due to that extra year in college, if given a chance.

There's just something weird here, and I doubt it's Torts. Maybe a misunderstanding, maybe something else, but it's very strange they wouldn't even talk to Briere and Jones and clear the air.

One reason I doubt it's Torts is he made up his mind after last season, had he followed the Flyers, he'd have seen Frost and Cates play regularly as the top two centers the last four months of the season. Could he feel loyalty to Hayes? Doubtful they're that close that it would matter that Hayes was demoted to 3C.

 

[Rebels57]

Privately they were mad he didn’t burn and elc year. Hence he changed his mind.

Publicly, he and his family are bitches.

 

[Magua]

Imagine the potential return if it was leaked Cutter didn't want to be there.

Someone needs to explain to a simpleton like me why this matters. It gets repeated like it’s fact. Every team to which they shopped Gauthier already knew he wasn’t going to sign here. What leverage are they gaining? The only thing that changes is Flyers fans bitching and moaning before the trade. This just seems like a HockeyGuy-ism masking itself as business acumen. Ask NBA execs if leaks prevent them from getting value.

They received a 2nd rounder and a 2nd contract player, with talent but an indeterminate NHL sample, who has 18 games played in 15 months. I’m imagining.

 

[freakydallas13]

Someone needs to explain to a simpleton like me why this matters. It gets repeated like it’s fact. Every team to which they shopped Gauthier already knew he wasn’t going to sign here. What leverage are they gaining? The only thing that changes is Flyers fans bitching and moaning before the trade. This just seems like a HockeyGuy-ism masking itself as business acumen. Ask NBA execs if leaks prevent them from getting value.

They received a 2nd rounder and a 2nd contract player, with talent but an indeterminate NHL sample, who has 18 games played in 15 months. I’m imagining.

If it got leaked that Cutter would only sign with one team? Sure, that team would have some leverage.

But just the fact that he doesn't want to play in Philadelphia? Some team tries to hardball the Flyers in that situation, Briere hangs up the phone and calls the next team on his list. Not a whole lot of leverage in that situation.

 

[deadhead]

Briere said it was more about protecting Gauthier, given the crazy reaction to ASF's irresponsible rumor about Hayes, he has a point there. There's always some crazy fans doing stupid things.

They've been trying to trade him since the draft last summer, doubtful his value goes up. Cutter is having a good but not elite college season (compare to say Brink at 20), a good WJC and so on. He's maintained his value but has done nothing to increase it (b/c he'd have to show elite talent to move from #5 value to #1-3). But the longer you wait, the greater the danger of something that would reduce his value, from an injury to a 20 year old doing something stupid (like that never happens).

 

[Starat327]

Someone needs to explain to a simpleton like me why this matters. It gets repeated like it’s fact. Every team to which they shopped Gauthier already knew he wasn’t going to sign here. What leverage are they gaining? The only thing that changes is Flyers fans bitching and moaning before the trade. This just seems like a HockeyGuy-ism masking itself as business acumen. Ask NBA execs if leaks prevent them from getting value.

They received a 2nd rounder and a 2nd contract player, with talent but an indeterminate NHL sample, who has 18 games played in 15 months. I’m imagining.

"Hey, Steve. Your center depths looking a little light, and I was wondering if you had any interest in Gautsy."

"Danny, why are you shopping your 5th overall pick from last year? Not interested in signing with you all?"

"No no, it's not that at all. We're just moving in a different direction. We got this guy, Cates..."



Seems plausible to me.

 

[PDX Flyer]

Cutter wasn’t even the Flyers top prospect. Reporters sure do have agendas....

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

What we need now is for Hayesie to start talking shit about gross gingers and get Tippett the f*** out of here.

 

[Magua]

What we need now is for Hayesie to start talking shit about gross gingers and get Tippett the f*** out of here.

What if it gets leaked to the media that Tippett is a ginger? Other teams watch him with his helmet on. They might not know.

 

[GKJ]

Nobody comparing Cutter to lindros anymore

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

What if it gets leaked to the media that Tippett is a ginger? Other teams watch him with his helmet on. They might not know.

That's a HockeyGuyism. That's like saying "I put a wet wipe on this massive pile of dog shit and no one could tell that it was dog shit."

 

[Embiid]

Flyers brand has been a pile of dog shit for over a decade now. Having said this...hope Cutter's career lands in the gutter...

 

[landsbergfan]

Look, that was a fun time for those of us who experienced it and in some ways first-hand. But it was 1,000 years ago and younger people don't want to live in someone else's world of pleasures and jocularity. That is understandable. We can rehash history and I can sit here and tell the same feelings of how the Flyers would have won in 1976 with a healthy Parent+ MacLeish (and certainly the removal of Dryden and Montreal's second-line center), of how the team was f***ed multiple times by the NHL and raked over the coals in 1980 and so many more pieces of dysentery. The team is cursed. We can tank and tank and tank but still lose a draft lottery. We know some of the bad mojo is self-inducing. But players have choices these days, lower tax states, better weather, etc. than when Philadelphia was the ideal place to play hockey under Ed Snider. Things changed with the Eric Lindros acquisition. The Flyers went from a fierce unit of some stars but mostly bucket pail players to a superstar who was brought into the fold to win a Cup. It didn't happen. Pronger? The team hasn't recovered since. On and on it goes. The Flyers of the 1980s were a collection of good players who were injury-prone at the wrong time. Edmonton was built with superstars and arguably got the biggest break in NHL history with how they acquired Gretzky. Nothing wrong there. Kane and Bedard to Chicago? Crosby to Pittsburgh? Again and again. The Flyers? Nolan Patrick, James van Riemsdyk and now Cutter Bedard. It is excruciating. We can bash everyone from Clarke to the fans. Nothing has worked out. Bryzgalov for Richards and Carter -- yes, indirectly! Berube? A "good old boy" who was a meanie won a Cup in St. Louis. Tocchet? Mocked by many as a potential coach here. How is he doing in Van? Maybe he will fail but a "good ole boy" is doing OK. Ultimately, it takes players to win. The right players.

I’ve tried writing a thoughtful response but it keeps crashing and I give up. It does take the right players but it takes the right people to get those players. Sure maybe the franchise gets lucky eventually, but the years of bad decision making and lack of clear direction have led to the wrong players being here at the wrong times. They do this to themselves alll while thinking they have it figured out.

This franchise routinely puts the wrong value on certain players and are more focused on the good old days than making new ones

 

[Magua]

That's a HockeyGuyism. That's like saying "I put a wet wipe on this massive pile of dog shit and no one could tell that it was dog shit."

All I know is that if Gauthier’s situation got leaked to the Anthonys of the Twitterverse, the Flyers would be more exposed than that guy swimming naked in Bass Pro Shop. And the return would be of similar proportion.

 

[PALE PWNR]

All I know is that if Gauthier’s situation got leaked to the Anthonys of the Twitterverse, the Flyers would be more exposed than that guy swimming naked in Bass Pro Shop. And the return would be of similar proportion.

that poor guy

 

[Beef Invictus]

I believe it was Andy Bathgate who once held his finger to a camera and when asked about the Flyers, said something to the effect of "See that? That is a finger bite I got in the 1950s." In so many words saying hockey was always a rough game but the Flyers of the 1970s perpetuated this insufferable myth that the game was filled with skaters and lovebugs until roughly 1973. And as Phil Esposito said (paraphrasing) "They played defense, tended goal and scored goals better than any other team for two years." The people who bash the mid-1980s likely never saw the team or are living through a highlight clip of a fight in 1987. Quite honestly, if people want to think the Flyers brand was Bernie Parent and fighting, let them wallow in their self-inflating importance of the misery of perception.

Slapshot is insidious anti-Flyers propaganda and the hockey world is raised on it.

 

[freakydallas13]

Nobody comparing Cutter to lindros anymore

Hostage Joe in shambles.

 

[Curufinwe]

Are the top 10 all “generational”?

 

[MiamiScreamingEagles]

I’ve tried writing a thoughtful response but it keeps crashing and I give up. It does take the right players but it takes the right people to get those players. Sure maybe the franchise gets lucky eventually, but the years of bad decision making and lack of clear direction have led to the wrong players being here at the wrong times. They do this to themselves alll while thinking they have it figured out

There is much blame to expand. As I said in the post, some of it is self-inducing. Can't blame the Flyers for Pronger's injury. Patrick's ailment? There was a trail prior but to the magnitude that the kid couldn't play for more than a cup of coffee is reprehensible and surely, as it looks now, mistakes were made. Morin? Another miserable ending. Bryzgalov? Desperation that failed mightily. If not for injuries in 2004, Flyers probably beat Tampa Bay and then who knows maybe win a Cup or maybe not. But the Eric Weinrich's trade wasn't the difference in what happened with the vortex of depleted defense that run when Matty Timander is a supporting cast to the backbone. It has been a repulsive few years.

 

[PALE PWNR]

Are the top 10 all “generational”?

Only generational is Bedard and maybe Michkov no?