Post-Game Talk: Flyers @ The Powerhouse 7:30pm

[duhmetreE]

KHL bound

 

[Machinehead]

Buchnevich not developing further now that Prometheus is gone has been possibly the most disappointing thing of the season.

 

[Crease]

KHL bound

I tend to agree. 78 in 147 is a decent clip but he's 0 for 2 with North American coaches.

 

[MyLoveIsBlue]

 

[Mike in Houston]

I see arguments that Howden should be scratched because he's been the worst forward for a long stretch and he's yet to see the Quinn Bin. But here we go. Buchnevich is back in there.

Aren't expectations a bit different for a rookie and a third year pro? If Howden is making mistakes but the intentions are good (as Quinn talked about in the QA with Brooks) but Buchnevich is continually doing things he's been told not to do then who should be scratched?

Listen, I don't want Buchnevich in the Quinn Bin anymore than most of you but every player has different expectations set for them. You cannot treat everyone the same across the board. If you're not meeting the expectations of a third year pro you will be dealt with accordingly.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

11f and 7d?

To think I was semi excited for this

 

[OthmannOut]

Please lose.

 

[nyr2k2]

Buchnevich not developing further now that Prometheus is gone has been possibly the most disappointing thing of the season.

If you legitimately believe he's going to head back home after the season (since he'll be an RFA and all), you gotta trade him now, even if everyone understands the situation and you don't get a ton of value for him.

 

[LORDE]

Buch can't be more disappointing ATM

Really wanted to see him take the bull by the horns this season, but it's just more of the same.

 

[Crease]

If you legitimately believe he's going to head back home after the season (since he'll be an RFA and all), you gotta trade him now, even if everyone understands the situation and you don't get a ton of value for him.

I think he's a good candidate for a "change of scenery" add-in to a larger trade.

 

[Nickmo82]

Smith in for Buch is great... for the tank.

Quinn has the exact same idea of culpability as AV.

Also, how does he get benched after a bye-week? Did he play a shitty game of beach volleyball or something?

 

[Mike in Houston]

Smith in for Buch is great... for the tank.

Quinn has the exact same idea of culpability as AV.

Also, how does he get benched after a bye-week? Did he play a ****ty game of beach volleyball or something?

Bad practices?

 

[FireGerardGallant]

Av 2.0

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

 

[eco's bones]

Kind of surprised by Buchnevich being scratched. He's not really taken the step forward that I thought he would this year. His determination is in question. I would not be shocked at all to see the Rangers trade him at the deadline.

 

[RGY]

Again...no reason to sit Buch. Herman is right for once

 

[TGWL]

Some harsh words there. Maybe we should tell everybody "It's the same thing over and over".

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

I don't have a problem with holding Buch accountable if you think he's letting bad habits dominate his game and not playing how he needs to, that's fine.

But why isn't the same level of accountability applied to other players? Howden has been arguably one of the worst forwards in the league for like 20 games now. The dude has been atrocious but has gotten endless chances. Vesey has been garbage for a while now after a good start and not only does he keep getting chances but he gets undeserved PK and PP time. Howden has deserved a scratch for a long time but it hasn't come.

Maybe it's behind the scenes work ethic stuff but still, you'd like to see Quinn handle Buch a little better than this.

 

[nyr2k2]

The Buchnevich thing is going to turn into a carbon f***ing copy of the DeAngelo argument.

Clearly, Quinn places a heavy emphasis on doing the things that are asked of you, and working to correct the mistakes the coaches identify. And if during games, and during practice, you're still doing the same stupid shit over and over and over, he's not going to play you. End of story. Add in the fact that he's trying to build a foundation a oversee a team in transition, and I don't think he cares if holding a guy out isn't what is best for the actual on-ice product. This is the non-insane "The Process" that we're abiding by.

DeAngelo seemed to respond. When he got back in the lineup he was better than he had ever been, IMO. Either Buch responds (I don't think he's a guy who will respond to this) or he can go bye-bye.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

I wonder what Buchnevich could fetch in a trade.

Any similar players in need of a change of scenery? Burakovsky?

For the record, I don't want to move Buch, I want him to figure it out and be a good player on a cheap deal the next couple years, but I wonder if the front office starts to think about making a change of scenery type deal with him.

 

[Vinny DeAngelo]

If Quinn had said this about ADA a civil war would unfold

 

[nyr2k2]

I don't have a problem with holding Buch accountable if you think he's letting bad habits dominate his game and not playing how he needs to, that's fine.

But why isn't the same level of accountability applied to other players? Howden has been arguably one of the worst forwards in the league for like 20 games now. The dude has been atrocious but has gotten endless chances. Vesey has been garbage for a while now after a good start and not only does he keep getting chances but he gets undeserved PK and PP time. Howden has deserved a scratch for a long time but it hasn't come.

Maybe it's behind the scenes work ethic stuff but still, you'd like to see Quinn handle Buch a little better than this.

Well, Quinn won't break down every aspect of each player's game, so we don't really know. But, my guess is that the difference is you have guys who have issues that have been identified by the staff, and the staff sees those guys actively working towards eliminating those mistakes, and can live with the fact that those players are otherwise struggling. They're struggling but they're buying into the program and responding positively to coaching.

Then you have other guys, maybe they don't respond as well to the coaching. Maybe the coaches have identified a particular issue where a guy continues to make bad pinches, or makes risky drop passes, or something very specific. And in practice they continue to do it and in games they continue to do it. And even though they're "better" than the guys in the previous group, the coach rewards guys who buy into the program and listen to the coaching staff and work on those specific things. The guys who don't do it, don't play, or play less.

Not to compare my boy's travel team to an NHL team, but the principle is the same. I have a kid, Will, who is the most talented kid on the team. But he has some really bad habits out there, and he refuses to listen to me or my AC, and he jut does the same dumb thing over and over. So now Will doesn't start, and I'll pull Will at the end of close games. It's not increasing my chances of winning, but it's helping the team--the other boys see what's up, and they know they damn well better listed to me at practice and work on what I tell them to work on. And we're now a cohesive unit to the point that not having Will isn't even that big of a deal. Again, same principle with what Quinn does. And this is absolutely the time to do it: when the team is rebuilding and trying to form an identity. You nail this shit down now, establish a culture on the team where everyone buys in 100%, and you're so much better for it a couple years down the road, when you have 15-20 guys who know the deal and whoever you add is forcibly assimilated (or doesn't play)

I'm a fan of Quinn's approach.

 

[Blue Blooded]

Whatever "little things" Howden does right on the ice, the overall impact is still horrendous:

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

I see arguments that Howden should be scratched because he's been the worst forward for a long stretch and he's yet to see the Quinn Bin. But here we go. Buchnevich is back in there.

Aren't expectations a bit different for a rookie and a third year pro? If Howden is making mistakes but the intentions are good (as Quinn talked about in the QA with Brooks) but Buchnevich is continually doing things he's been told not to do then who should be scratched?

Listen, I don't want Buchnevich in the Quinn Bin anymore than most of you but every player has different expectations set for them. You cannot treat everyone the same across the board. If you're not meeting the expectations of a third year pro you will be dealt with accordingly.

Yeah but isn’t that exactly what we wanted? Accountability across the board? Holding players in check, regardless of their status? Except for Staal of course. I’m convinced management thinks he’s the real Cyclops from X-Men and are afraid to piss him off.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

Whatever "little things" Howden does right on the ice, the overall impact is still horrendous:

I can’t read that graphic, are we getting a few inches or a foot of snow?