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ACC1224 said:
Right, more concerned with image than winning, my mistake.

I guess that's a theory.
Why would management need to point that out during the game? Wouldn't Keefe have already been given his orders?
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I don't know - it's just an idea I had.

Maybe he didn't tell them about that particular change (I don't recall any mention of it before the game), or maybe they didn't think it would be that noticeable.

There were several posters commenting about it after the game, so it was pretty obvious.
 
Mess said:
Practice lines today see Robertson in the pressbox and replaced by Holmberg. Kerfoot is playing with JT and Nylander.

Holmberg is centering the 3rd line with Engvall and Jarnkrok today.

ZAR --- Kampf and Malgin is line #4 in practice.,
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Any news as to why Robertson is sitting?

Robertson - Nylander - Malgin looked good in the first period of the Ducks game (scoring at ES). But the line was broken up for the rest of the game, and now Robertson is sitting, Malgin is on the 4th line, and Nylander is back stuck on Tavares' wing.

Niagara Bill said:
So JT is average which means every other forward is below, especially MM
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Did you think Tavares was the best Leaf on Sunday?
 
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Philly looked pedestrian last night, but got Hart calibre net tending and a point.

Most teams would beat them tonight.
 
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Jamason said:
Any news as to why Robertson is sitting?

Robertson - Nylander - Malgin looked good in the first period of the Ducks game (scoring at ES). But the line was broken up for the rest of the game, and now Robertson is sitting, Malgin is on the 4th line, and Nylander is back stuck on Tavares' wing.


Did you think Tavares was the best Leaf on Sunday?
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At this point they should play Robertson, Holberg, and a couple of other young guys and sit the projects.
 
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GoonieFace said:
Fortunate for them that Philly plays tonight. So if they lose or it’s a nailbiter, that should be unacceptable, but excuses will be made


No even strength goals, and only 3 even strength points. Slow as molasses, he’s average
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Agree he is average, yet better than 10 other forwards so far this season. When he becomes our 5th best forward, we are winners.
 
ACC1224 said:
This game seems to be a tipping point.
Does the team show up and earn a win or do we see what we've seen the rest of the season?
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They show up and loose. They won't be ready to start this game has they haven't in a long time.

Problem wasn't Babcok..........people are still blaming Lou......everyone knows where the problem lies.
 
In the next 4 , the Leafs have two easier games (Philly and Vegas) and two tougher games and have to win 3 of them.
 
They never lost more than 4 in a row last season. If the team is going to start taking this season seriously, it should start tonight.
 
Expecting a dominating win tonight and for the Leaf GDT to be completely dead. At least outside of directly after they get scored on.

This site feels like I am on the main boards
 
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leafsfan5 said:
This franchise clamours for young players to make an impact on their ELC but once they get one they don't play him

Put Robertson in, you literally need goals
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Robertson f***ing sucks man that's why he isn't playing. He had like 3 good games in a row including the regular season game he had 2 goals. Since he has been too slow to get to pucks and can't find any open ice at all. He isn't helping his linemates in the slightest, they need to get the puck and set him up for him to be impactful.

We aren't getting our 11M players to be setup men for Robertson. So he got put down the lineup to see if he can spark something there and was even worse. He will be back on the Marlies soon.
 
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I missed the last two games and have a busy week, but I'll try to watch this one. Really need a convincing win here in front of a home crowd.

I've just started avoiding the main boards where possible. It's always the same cast of clowns.
 
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Robertson has only looked good on the occasional puck recovery on D, sending it back to the D.

Offensively he's completely invisible, just doesn't know where or how to engage if his linemates don't do it for him, aside from on the rush.
 
HockeyVirus said:
Robertson f***ing sucks man that's why he isn't playing. He had like 3 good games in a row including the regular season game he had 2 goals. Since he has been too slow to get to pucks and can't find any open ice at all. He isn't helping his linemates in the slightest, they need to get the puck and set him up for him to be impactful.

We aren't getting our 11M players to be setup men for Robertson. So he got put down the lineup to see if he can spark something there and was even worse. He will be back on the Marlies soon.
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Robertson doesn’t suck, his deployment by Keefe sucks. He would be awesome with Matthews, both of them have a great shots and because of that they would open lanes for each other.

Robertson - Matthews - Nylander would be a great line. Everyone can finish and Nylander and Matthews are good at creating. They would get a ton of chances and would score a bunch off the rush.
 
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disgruntleddave said:
Robertson has only looked good on the occasional puck recovery on D, sending it back to the D.

Offensively he's completely invisible, just doesn't know where or how to engage if his linemates don't do it for him, aside from on the rush.
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Since management forgot to address the need for a top 6 forward during the off season, they may as well throw him out there for 20 straight games to see if he can adjust.

It’s the same situation with goaltending and defence.
 
Nineteen67 said:
Since management forgot to address the need for a top 6 forward during the off season, they may as well throw him out there for 20 straight games to see if he can adjust.

It’s the same situation with goaltending and defence.
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From my eye test, Robertson has been decent defensively as well. I think he has the head for the game, seems to be very aware. I would have him playing in the top 6 through the month. What have they got to lose?

As for the bottom 6... I have never understood forcing potential top 6 guys down there and expecting something from them. If you don't have the pieces you need for the bottom 6, go get them. That being said, have we really given who we have a fair shot to adjust and find their footing? 6 games isn't enough for the new guys imo. Let it ride ffs. Commit to your top and bottom 6 and see what you have. And if it's not what you though, make some moves.

Keefe might be at the point where he is out-coaching himself both with lineup composition and in game adjustments.

BrannigansLaw said:
Yeah because a win against a crappy team like the Flyers will really make people excited again about this team.
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It won't, not for most of us here, but... you do have to start somewhere.

Find a way to win, any way, and then build off that. As it stands, they have nothing to build off of.
 
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daveleaf said:
They show up and loose. They won't be ready to start this game has they haven't in a long time.

Problem wasn't Babcok..........people are still blaming Lou......everyone knows where the problem lies.
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Problem is either coaching or players.

No one else is even near the ice when the puck drops.
 
Hmm, who knew TS Eliot was a Leaf fan.

The Grown Men

We are the hollow men
We are the grown men
Leaning together
Headpiece filled with straw. Alas!
Our dried sticks, when
We whisper together
Are quiet and meaningless
As wind in dry grass
Or slugged feet over broken ice
In our dry offense
 
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wingman75 said:
From my eye test, Robertson has been decent defensively as well. I think he has the head for the game, seems to be very aware. I would have him playing in the top 6 through the month. What have they got to lose?

As for the bottom 6... I have never understood forcing potential top 6 guys down there and expecting something from them. If you don't have the pieces you need for the bottom 6, go get them. That being said, have we really given who we have a fair shot to adjust and find their footing? 6 games isn't enough for the new guys imo. Let it ride ffs. Commit to your top and bottom 6 and see what you have. And if it's not what you though, make some moves.

Keefe might be at the point where he is out-coaching himself both with lineup composition and in game adjustments.


It won't, not for most of us here, but... you do have to start somewhere.

Find a way to win, any way, and then build off that. As it stands, they have nothing to build off of.
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Keefe is not a great coach and he’s still learning, but he’s been put in a tough spot. Management has high expectations and expect him to win a playoff round, but look what he has to juggle on nightly basis with so many unknowns.
 
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