Flyers 2017 Training Camp Discussion Thread

[Appleyard]

None of those players are bad though. They all can find themselves onto another teams roster with no problem and i hate Read but he isn't some scrub that is barely holding on to stay in the league.

Yeh, when you look at their records/82gp over last two seasons:

Lehtera: 9g, 32p
Raffl: 13g, 26p
Weise: 13g, 26p
Read: 12g, 26p

Objectively they have all produced at mid to low end 3rd line level relative to the league. Your team is not in trouble depth wise if any of them are your 9th best forward... and at least one is going to be a healthy scratch!

 

[MacDonald4MVP]

I hate being negative about it especially because it's pre-season, but it seems like we have created an problem when we didn't need to. The solution seemed so simple.

I wish a reporter with a backbone would just ask "why put a guy who has not broken 12 goals in the last 3 years, in a shooters spot on the PP in an attempt to replace Schenn's 17 PP goals?"

How dare you question Filppula? He did score 1 pp goal in last two seasons combined you know.

 

[Curufinwe]

People turning on Knoblauch after literally the first day of PP practice. What does this 38 year old even know about the powerplay?

 

[Hiesenberg]

Lindblom/Konecny find themselves rotating on the "5th line" today.

I'll wait patiently, but this annoys me.

 

[Rebels57]

People turning on Knoblauch after literally the first day of PP practice. What does this 38 year old even know about the powerplay?

Nah, people are just expressing concern because Hakstol, Mullen and Lappy killed the faith in coaching last season. Knoblauch is guilty by association until proven innocent

 

[Curufinwe]

I don't want to worry you, but....

http://www.csnphilly.com/philadelph...ch-great-fit-dave-hakstol-flyers-erie-gm-says

When Kris Knoblauch informed Erie Otters' general manager Dave Brown this week he was taking a job with the Flyers, Brown started laughing.

"What's so funny?" Knoblauch asked.

"You just want to go to a team where you look like the head coach," Brown recalled Thursday to CSNPhilly.com.

Indeed.

If you place photos of Flyers head coach Dave Hakstol and Knoblauch side-by-side, they could pass as brothers.

"They look like twins," Brown said.

 

[Hiesenberg]

Giroux is playing LW tomorrow.

 

[Alchemy]

Giroux is playing LW tomorrow.

This is a real possibility for the season.

 

[Alchemy]

Yeh, when you look at their records/82gp over last two seasons:

Lehtera: 9g, 32p
Raffl: 13g, 26p
Weise: 13g, 26p
Read: 12g, 26p

Objectively they have all produced at mid to low end 3rd line level relative to the league. Your team is not in trouble depth wise if any of them are your 9th best forward... and at least one is going to be a healthy scratch!

One of them will have to get moved. Especially if younger players push for those bottom 6 spots.

 

[Rebels57]

Giroux is playing LW tomorrow.

They did say they were going to try it out in preseason.

This is a real possibility for the season.

Real as in 1.0%

 

[Alchemy]

Real as in 1.0%

i think its higher than that. I really believe it depends on what they think about Patrick. Is he ready to be that second center?

 

[Alchemy]

With that being said this is why people shouldn't get bent out of shape about Lindblom. Its very unlikely TK is on the 4th line this season.

 

[Hiesenberg]

Meltzer said Weal/Lindlbom/Konecny stayed out for extra practice, usually means scratched.

So unlikely to play tomorrow

 

[Rebels57]

Meltzer said Weal/Lindlbom/Konecny stayed out for extra practice, usually means scratched.

So unlikely to play tomorrow

Not a big deal. This is what happens in preseason.

 

[Alchemy]

Meltzer said Weal/Lindlbom/Konecny stayed out for extra practice, usually means scratched.

So unlikely to play tomorrow

Probably trying to get more of a look of Vecchione, Leier, and Laughton.

 

[Striiker]

Laughton and Leier haven't shown they are better NHL players than those guys at the moment, so that's a weird thing to be complaining about already.



I think so, but he's probably not going to play in every one of these last four preseason games.

He's already played four times including the rookie game, while some of the veterans have only played once.

Yeah, they're probably already decided on him so he' doesn't really need to play.

Obviously there's plenty of vets who are locks to make the team, but they'll play over him because they haven't had as many games to shake off rust. Then there's guys like Vecchione and Leier who take priority too, since they're actually trying to fight for a spot still.

Like I said before, Giroux on wing at this practice shows that this is just a temporary jumble to try out new things, not lines that are going to stick. Maybe I'd buy that he's being seriously considered on wing if he looked slow and poor during that last preseason game, but based on what I saw he's certainly still capable of center. The increased speed is massive for him.

 

[Hiesenberg]

Not a big deal. This is what happens in preseason.

I agree, they rotate.

 

[Striiker]

This is a real possibility for the season.

I think the way he looked in that pre-season game (skating wise, specifically) made it even less likely that gets switched to wing.

The only real reason for switching him would have been if he looked slow, but that's not the case.

 

[BillDineen]

 

[JojoTheWhale]

i think its higher than that. I really believe it depends on what they think about Patrick. Is he ready to be that second center?

In the future, sure. Giroux to the wing specifically for this year is not about Patrick. It comes down to whether they think they're a better team with one of Filppula/Laughton/Lehtera playing middle 6 C minutes, which seems like a terrible idea.

 

[Tripod]

Yeah, they're probably already decided on him so he' doesn't really need to play.

Obviously there's plenty of vets who are locks to make the team, but they'll play over him because they haven't had as many games to shake off rust. Then there's guys like Vecchione and Leier who take priority too, since they're actually trying to fight for a spot still.

Like I said before, Giroux on wing at this practice shows that this is just a temporary jumble to try out new things, not lines that are going to stick. Maybe I'd buy that he's being seriously considered on wing if he looked slow and poor during that last preseason game, but based on what I saw he's certainly still capable of center. The increased speed is massive for him.

They could also look at it that G being on wing gives him more offensive freedom instead of focusing on being back helping out the defense.

 

[deadhead]

Yeh, when you look at their records/82gp over last two seasons:

Lehtera: 9g, 32p
Raffl: 13g, 26p
Weise: 13g, 26p
Read: 12g, 26p

Objectively they have all produced at mid to low end 3rd line level relative to the league. Your team is not in trouble depth wise if any of them are your 9th best forward... and at least one is going to be a healthy scratch!

Given that production, and that except maybe Lehtera if he's out of shape, none are defensive liabilities, they're being paid market value, except, of course, for Lehtera - and he was the price to obtain that 2018 1st rd pick.

We haven't had depth like this since 2011-12, and that was the last time they were above the league average scoring at ES.

Cousins might have a decent season in Arizona, but hie problem was he really wasn't suited to a 4th line role, and wouldn't have a shot at the top 9 on this team. Leier has a better chance simply because his skills would be a good fit on the 4th line.

As the team improves, pure scorers have to be good enough to crack the top 9, otherwise you're going to have to be a two way player and start on the 4th line and work your way up - pretty much what Laughton, Leier, MV, AK, etc. will face the next few years.

 

[Rebels57]

They could also look at it that G being on wing gives him more offensive freedom instead of focusing on being back helping out the defense.

At the end of the day, I don't care where anyone plays as long as the offense performs better this year.

That being said, it sounds like a terrible idea to have Giroux play LW and Filppula play Center. I just can't imagine that being better than having G-Coots-Patrick 1, 2, 3 down the middle with Filppula playing LW somewhere.

 

[Striiker]

They could also look at it that G being on wing gives him more offensive freedom instead of focusing on being back helping out the defense.

But you could say that about any center in the league. Why not put McDavid and Crosby at wing too? Then they don't need to worry about defense and could score even more.

As long as he's physically able to play C then he should.

 

[MacDonald4MVP]

Any clear cut looks as to what lines we might see opening night? I know Weal, Patrick and Simmer was talked about as one of the more probable options.
That would leave G, Couts, Jake and Kony as sure locks for top9, but do we actually now which way is team leaning?