Flyers 2017 Training Camp Discussion Thread

[BringBackHakstol]

It will be very very very frustrating if AMac is used on the top pairing again.

I accepted that he would be in the lineup. It's fine if he's getting 3rd pair ES this season.

 

[deadhead]

Was there anyone actually delusional enough to think Hextall would put three rookie dmen out of seven on the opening night roster?

Me. If Sanheim won the job.
Which he still can. If he learns the lessons Hagg learned.

Hagg is projected to be one of the rookie defensemen on the Flyers when they open in San Jose on Oct. 4, and largely because he has altered his game. Use the body. Make the simple play. Singles, not home runs. “It is a tough adjustment,†he said. “You’re not going to change it overnight. And you have to understand: Do you want to be a good American League player? Or do you want to be in the NHL?

“I know a couple guys like that. They want to play their own game. Sure, if you want to do that, that’s fine with me. If I’m not good enough to play the game I could play as a junior, then I’m not going to make my goal of playing in the NHL. I have to find a way to be successful in kind of a different way to make it all the way.

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/flyers/philadelphia-flyers-robert-hagg-20170919.html

 

[Foggy14]

Me. If Sanheim won the job.
Which he still can. If he learns the lessons Hagg learned.

Hagg is projected to be one of the rookie defensemen on the Flyers when they open in San Jose on Oct. 4, and largely because he has altered his game. Use the body. Make the simple play. Singles, not home runs. “It is a tough adjustment,†he said. “You’re not going to change it overnight. And you have to understand: Do you want to be a good American League player? Or do you want to be in the NHL?

“I know a couple guys like that. They want to play their own game. Sure, if you want to do that, that’s fine with me. If I’m not good enough to play the game I could play as a junior, then I’m not going to make my goal of playing in the NHL. I have to find a way to be successful in kind of a different way to make it all the way.

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/flyers/philadelphia-flyers-robert-hagg-20170919.html

Thanks, dh. That was a good read.

Hagg is clearly a smart kid. I hope he has a lot of success.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

We all knew it would happen. More the issue is he's being treated as the equal of Provorov and Gudas right now. He's again being paired with Provorov to repeat last year's fun. MacDonald is a notoriously terrible pre-season player and reports on his camp haven't been glowing. Meanwhile Manning is playing. Ghost is playing for the second time. But heaven forbid MacDonald play.

Need to keep that workhorse rested for the regular season.

 

[Magua]

If anyone who has watched a lot of Hagg could actually describe what "his game" is that he had to alter, I'd love to hear it. But yes, what I want to see is Sanheim -- and Myers and even Ghost for that matter -- not play their game. They need to play like Hagg.

He is 22 now, but like many targeted to reshape the Flyers, Hagg's name and game are not unfamiliar. A flashy player in his teen years with a body that could, he said, "bulldoze" his peers....

Sam "Motrin" Morin.

Robert "Bulldozer" Hagg.



P.S. Damn it deadhead. Put a trigger warning next time you post a Donnellon article so I don't click on it.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Sam Donnellon not only is a terrible writer he has to be the biggest cornball in the media.

 

[deadhead]

Playing a simple game doesn't mean you don't make big plays, it means you don't FORCE big plays.

You see this in every sport, young kid dominates with talent at low levels, thinks he can get away with the same style of play at higher levels, some adjust, others sink.

At the NHL level, you keep it simple and wait for the opportunity to make a play to present itself - sure it looks great on a highlight film to skate through the defense - but for every time it works you'll get stripped off the puck twice and trigger a rush the other way. Same with two line passes and other sexy players that look great when they work but can be a disaster when they don't.

The reason we love Provorov is he understood this instinctively, and as the season progressed, and he had a better feel for NHL speed, he started playing more aggressively in the offensive zone, but without taking undue chances. Ghost is still learning this, and Sanheim and Myers have a ways to go.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

I was very much hoping Sanheim would make the club.

However, I'm finding it difficult to get upset that it appears he won't, because he hasn't looked very good. (Frankly, Sanheim has not stood out in any of the games I've watched him, though to view his clips he clearly does some great things when I'm not looking.)

I was pissed when Ghost didn't make the team out of camp 2 years ago, but I don't have that same feeling with Sanheim. I guess I've become a little more skeptical of him. However, I hope cranks it up the rest of the preseason and makes the org reconsider.

 

[Rebels57]

And if Sanheim has a big game tonight, the last game is erased and we are back to square one.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

And if Sanheim has a big time tonight, the last game is erased and we are back to square one.

I'm not really sure at this point. It seems like Sanheim was always on the outside looking in from the start. Seems like MacDonald isn't at any risk of losing a job either.

 

[MacDonald4MVP]

The way Hak handled Ghost last year can you imagine how much further he will help Sanheim to develop hi game?

 

[Rebels57]

I'm not really sure at this point. It seems like Sanheim was always on the outside looking in from the start. Seems like MacDonald isn't at any risk of losing a job either.

More than likely yes..

But nothing is set it stone after 1 preseason game.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

I'm not really sure at this point. It seems like Sanheim was always on the outside looking in from the start. Seems like MacDonald isn't at any risk of losing a job either.

It'll probably be tough at this point for Sanheim to convince his way into displacing a vet as a 3rd rookie. If Sanheim's going to reclaim lost ground, he'd probably need a great rest of the preseason plus Morin or Hagg faltering.

But I always root for the high potential kids to play over the journeyman vets, so hopefully he'll catch fire starting tonight and force the org's hand.

 

[Striiker]

And if Sanheim has a big game tonight, the last game is erased and we are back to square one.

As far as some fickle posters opinion goes, but it looks like Hextall's plan was always for him to start in the AHL.

Morin and Hagg have the inside track, it seems.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

More than likely yes..

But nothing is set it stone after 1 preseason game.

No but the bulk of these decisions are made beforehand & it appears Sanheim would have to do a lot to make this team.

Provorov - MacDonald
Hagg/Morin - Gudas
Hagg/Morin - Gostisbehere
Manning

That's probably what you're looking at for opening night.

 

[Rebels57]

No but the bulk of these decisions are made beforehand & it appears Sanheim would have to do a lot to make this team.

Provorov - MacDonald
Hagg/Morin - Gudas
Hagg/Morin - Gostisbehere
Manning

That's probably what you're looking at for opening night.

We may as well forfeit the season.

 

[FLYguy3911]

I think the most disappointing thing is that if he doesn’t make the team he’s stuck with 57. Yuck.

 

[Curufinwe]

I think the most disappointing thing is that if he doesn’t make the team he’s stuck with 57. Yuck.

Won't be go back to wearing #6 on the Phantoms?

 

[FLYguy3911]

Won't be go back to wearing #6 on the Phantoms?

Yeah but if he ever gets called up he’ll be wearing 57.

 

[Curufinwe]

Oh, I see. It was interesting that Ghost stuck with 53, unlike Laughton who changed from 49 to 21 the season after his first callup.

 

[boodangleroo28]

Is that a call out from hagg on Brennan?... the they want to play their own game comment

 

[boxcar65]

No but the bulk of these decisions are made beforehand & it appears Sanheim would have to do a lot to make this team.

Provorov - MacDonald
Hagg/Morin - Gudas
Hagg/Morin - Gostisbehere
Manning

That's probably what you're looking at for opening night.

This is a better opening night:

Provy-Hagg
Morin-Ghost
Manning-Gudas
Mr. Softie

I watched the video of those battle drills on Monday. As usual, AMac looked lost trying to be physical and defend one-on-one. Manning was strong on his man, and he and Gudas looked good in their 2v2. Yes, I know it's just one practice and one drill, but for the life of me I just don't see any advantage to Mac over Mandog. I've resolved myself to the fact my guy is the #7, but it's frustrating.

End of rant.....

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Yeah but if he ever gets called up he’ll be wearing 57.

Well, he is playing catch-up.

 

[Alex91]

No but the bulk of these decisions are made beforehand & it appears Sanheim would have to do a lot to make this team.

Provorov - MacDonald
Hagg/Morin - Gudas
Hagg/Morin - Gostisbehere
Manning

That's probably what you're looking at for opening night.

That was the penciled D prior to camp imo. Sanheim would have had to been lights out and force someone out, which clearly he didn't. Is he more talent then half of them, yes but starting the year isn't gonna do harm

 

[Rebels57]

I think the most disappointing thing is that if he doesn’t make the team he’s stuck with 57. Yuck.

Hey now. You bite your tongue.

Ive been wearing 57 for my hockey team for the past 18 years.