Flyers 2017 Training Camp Discussion Thread

[Rebels57]

what did I miss with Sanheim?
Why is the sky falling?

He played poorly in the rookie game then made 1 bad play in the preseason game so hes a bust now.

 

[CodyTheHuman]

I'm fine with Giroux on the wing too, but not this season. He can still be a dominant center. In the future he will likely finish his career here on the wing due to the depth of potentially dynamic centers we have coming. This year he is still our best center.

 

[Jtown]

I'm fine with Giroux on the wing too, but not this season. He can still be a dominant center. In the future he will likely finish his career here on the wing due to the depth of potentially dynamic centers we have coming. This year he is still our best center.

Dominant? How many points do you think giroux puts up this year?

 

[CodyTheHuman]

Dominant? How many points do you think giroux puts up this year?

70+ points

 

[flyersfan018]

what did I miss with Sanheim?
Why is the sky falling?

He sucks. Along with Giroux, Couturier, and Patrick.

 

[Curufinwe]

He sucks. Along with Giroux, Couturier, and Patrick.

Filppula 1C, Lehtera 2C.

Then the Suck line: Giroux-Couturier-Patrick

 

[boxcar65]

Filppula 1C, Lehtera 2C.

Then the Suck line: Giroux-Couturier-Patrick

I sure miss the Dan line from the mid-90's.

 

[Blueland89]

Oh no we suck again

 

[JABEE]

This is Hakstol's form of tough love.

He benched Konecny and Gostisbehere multiple times last year yet played VDV every game.

This season VDV can't even get a full-time contract offer in the NHL, yet he was the guy who played instead of Jordan Weal. If Weal is with the team for most of the season, he wouldn't have been a UFA.

I don't understand Hakstol's ways of working at all. I think it's hard to play loose when you get sent back to the AHL squad in practice for having an off game. The same thing happened with Ghost. We would see VDV, Schultz, Macdonald, etc play awful and make mistakes, yet Ghost would be benched three days for scoring a goal and turning the puck over at the red line trying to make something happen.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

This is Hakstol's form of tough love.

He benched Konecny and Gostisbehere multiple times last year yet played VDV every game.

This season VDV can't even get a full-time contract offer in the NHL, yet he was the guy who played instead of Jordan Weal. If Weal is with the team for most of the season, he wouldn't have been a UFA.

I don't understand Hakstol's ways of working at all. I think it's hard to play loose when you get sent back to the AHL squad in practice for having an off game. The same thing happened with Ghost. We would see VDV, Schultz, Macdonald, etc play awful and make mistakes, yet Ghost would be benched three days for scoring a goal and turning the puck over at the red line trying to make something happen.

its cuz Hakstol isnt an NHL lvl headcoach...

or least he shouldnt be.

 

[deadhead]

This is Hakstol's form of tough love.

He benched Konecny and Gostisbehere multiple times last year yet played VDV every game.

This season VDV can't even get a full-time contract offer in the NHL, yet he was the guy who played instead of Jordan Weal. If Weal is with the team for most of the season, he wouldn't have been a UFA.

You mean Hextall, you know, the GM, the guy who has final say on personnel decisions.

It's amusing to see people blame Hakstol when it's Hextall's choices, because they want to praise Hextall for the moves they liek but refrain from criticizing him for the moves they don't like.

Hextall is the one who signed and extended VdV, BEFORE Hakstol was the head coach, Hextall signed PEB, signed Gordon, signed MDZ and Schultz and kept Manning. Hextall sent Weal back to the AHL, sent Laughton back to the AHL . . .

 

[Striiker]

You mean Hextall, you know, the GM, the guy who has final say on personnel decisions.

It's amusing to see people blame Hakstol when it's Hextall's choices, because they want to praise Hextall for the moves they liek but refrain from criticizing him for the moves they don't like.

Hextall is the one who signed and extended VdV, BEFORE Hakstol was the head coach, Hextall signed PEB, signed Gordon, signed MDZ and Schultz and kept Manning. Hextall sent Weal back to the AHL, sent Laughton back to the AHL . . .

Right, Vandevelde was signed BEFORE Hakstol decided to severely misuse him and expose his flaws. A perfect example of the damage Hakstol is doing. That's why Hakstol gets the blame.

 

[Rebels57]

This is Hakstol's form of tough love.

He benched Konecny and Gostisbehere multiple times last year yet played VDV every game.

This season VDV can't even get a full-time contract offer in the NHL, yet he was the guy who played instead of Jordan Weal. If Weal is with the team for most of the season, he wouldn't have been a UFA.

I don't understand Hakstol's ways of working at all. I think it's hard to play loose when you get sent back to the AHL squad in practice for having an off game. The same thing happened with Ghost. We would see VDV, Schultz, Macdonald, etc play awful and make mistakes, yet Ghost would be benched three days for scoring a goal and turning the puck over at the red line trying to make something happen.

Youd think a college coach would be able to manage young guys properly. It defies logic that he seemingly cannot.

 

[deadhead]

Right, Vandevelde was signed BEFORE Hakstol decided to severely misuse him and expose his flaws. A perfect example of the damage Hakstol is doing. That's why Hakstol gets the blame.

VdV played the same minutes under Hakstol as he did under Berube, and almost the same minutes on the PK.

The problem wasn't the coaches, it was the players, Hextall didn't add any quality depth for three years - it was deliberate, in fact, he traded depth to obtain draft picks (McGinn, Rinaldo, Hartnell, L Schenn, etc) and clear salary.

So the 4th line and 3rd pair defensemen have sucked for five years for the most part, and you'd be criticizing whomever they put out there, because they were all bad.

VdV and Hakstol are your scapegoat for Hextall's personnel decisions, you don't want to criticize Hextall, so you try to pretend it could somehow be different with zero talent. Notice all the "better players" who could have played instead of VdV are gone, and most are out of the league (we'll see how Cousins fares). Fretting over which talentless scrub we should have played reveals your lack of common sense. Same thing with the defensemen we "could" have played instead of MacDonald. Dreck is dreck.

Me, I understand exactly what Hextall was doing, approved it and applaud it's long-term success - but I don't sugarcoat it or deflect the blame from the GM - it was the price we had to pay to get out of the hole dug by Holmgren.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

VdV played the same minutes under Hakstol as he did under Berube, and almost the same minutes on the PK.

The problem wasn't the coaches, it was the players, Hextall didn't add any quality depth for three years - it was deliberate, in fact, he traded depth to obtain draft picks (McGinn, Rinaldo, Hartnell, L Schenn, etc) and clear salary.

So the 4th line and 3rd pair defensemen have sucked for five years for the most part, and you'd be criticizing whomever they put out there, because they were all bad.

VdV and Hakstol are your scapegoat for Hextall's personnel decisions, you don't want to criticize Hextall, so you try to pretend it could somehow be different with zero talent. Notice all the "better players" who could have played instead of VdV are gone, and most are out of the league (we'll see how Cousins fares). Fretting over which talentless scrub we should have played reveals your lack of common sense. Same thing with the defensemen we "could" have played instead of MacDonald. Dreck is dreck.

Me, I understand exactly what Hextall was doing, approved it and applaud it's long-term success - but I don't sugarcoat it or deflect the blame from the GM - it was the price we had to pay to get out of the hole dug by Holmgren.

u are the head sugarcoater when it comes to whiteknighting #Hakslogic..

ur hilarous

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

He played poorly in the rookie game then made 1 bad play in the preseason game so hes a bust now.

those are the HF and internet rules man.
better get used to it

 

[Striiker]

VdV played the same minutes under Hakstol as he did under Berube, and almost the same minutes on the PK.

The problem wasn't the coaches, it was the players, Hextall didn't add any quality depth for three years - it was deliberate, in fact, he traded depth to obtain draft picks (McGinn, Rinaldo, Hartnell, L Schenn, etc) and clear salary.

So the 4th line and 3rd pair defensemen have sucked for five years for the most part, and you'd be criticizing whomever they put out there, because they were all bad.

VdV and Hakstol are your scapegoat for Hextall's personnel decisions, you don't want to criticize Hextall, so you try to pretend it could somehow be different with zero talent. Notice all the "better players" who could have played instead of VdV are gone, and most are out of the league (we'll see how Cousins fares). Fretting over which talentless scrub we should have played reveals your lack of common sense. Same thing with the defensemen we "could" have played instead of MacDonald. Dreck is dreck.

Me, I understand exactly what Hextall was doing, approved it and applaud it's long-term success - but I don't sugarcoat it or deflect the blame from the GM - it was the price we had to pay to get out of the hole dug by Holmgren.

I'm not talking about number of minutes, I mean type of minutes. The way he was used was the issue, he shouldn't have been used as if he was a shutdown forward. That's why people changed from indifferent when he was signed to hating him these past two years. Nobody had an issue when he was used like a typical 4th line scrub.

Like I said before, I don't care that the team was bad and that the team had trash players on it, of course I expect this during a rebuilding period. My problem was that the coach clearly can't recognize who's good and who's bad, because that's a problem that won't magically be fixed when the roster is better. Vandevelde was a short term headache that means nothing long-term, but the problem he represents doesn't go away as easily as he did.

And it's also not about being afraid to criticize Hextall at all, I just know who is to blame for each thing I have a problem with. If you like I could make a short list of things that Hextall did that I disagree with too, but if I do that here we'd be getting off topic, which I think is what you wanted.

 

[Curufinwe]

Hakstol is to blame for playing VdV every game on the 4th line and PK when there were other options on the roster. Hextall is to blame for him being on the roster all season when he could have waived him at any time.

And Berube didn't just use VdV as a 4th liner. When Raffl got hurt in 2014, he put VdV on the first line. A lot of people had issues with that.

https://www.broadstreethockey.com/2014/11/6/7164903/chris-vandevelde-top-line-giroux-voracek-flyer

This is Hakstol's form of tough love.

Hextall is involved in deciding the practice groupings and the teams for the preseason games, and will ultimately decide which team Sanheim plays for. Hextall was the person who kept Weal in the AHL until February. Once he was added to the roster, he played every game he was healthy for and averaged 14:18 in ice time.

 

[NYCFlyer]

I'm not talking about number of minutes, I mean type of minutes. The way he was used was the issue, he shouldn't have been used as if he was a shutdown forward. That's why people changed from indifferent when he was signed to hating him these past two years. Nobody had an issue when he was used like a typical 4th line scrub.

Like I said before, I don't care that the team was bad and that the team had trash players on it, of course I expect this during a rebuilding period. My problem was that the coach clearly can't recognize who's good and who's bad, because that's a problem that won't magically be fixed when the roster is better. Vandevelde was a short term headache that means nothing long-term, but the problem he represents doesn't go away as easily as he did.

And it's also not about being afraid to criticize Hextall at all, I just know who is to blame for each thing I have a problem with. If you like I could make a short list of things that Hextall did that I disagree with too, but if I do that here we'd be getting off topic, which I think is what you wanted.

WTF is wrong with you guys having the same irrelevant argument over and over and over.

Arguing over a minute of usage by a fourth liner who is out of the league on a team thats bottom half of the roster was AHL grade as a rationale for hating a coach is utterly ridiculous. Can we talk hockey.

 

[Striiker]

WTF is wrong with you guys having the same irrelevant argument over and over and over.

Arguing over a minute of usage by a fourth liner who is out of the league on a team thats bottom half of the roster was AHL grade as a rationale for hating a coach is utterly ridiculous. Can we talk hockey.

Yeah, my bad, I should have remembered that all other posts on this board are completely original and full of valuable insight. But this is where we draw the line.

If you'd like we could switch over to a fresh topic, like arguing about Couturier. Or maybe we should make some more definitive judgments based on camp and scrimmages? How about how Giroux is confirmed to be a permanent winger now? Just let me know.

What I was saying was obviously completely in the past and no longer an issue, since the real subject of my post (Hakstol) is gone and has no effect on the future of this team.

 

[YEM]

Arguing over a minute of usage by a fourth liner who is out of the league on a team thats bottom half of the roster was AHL grade as a rationale for hating a coach is utterly ridiculous.

 

[NYCFlyer]

Yeah, my bad, I should have remembered that all other posts on this board are completely original and full of valuable insight. But this is where we draw the line.

If you'd like we could switch over to a fresh topic, like arguing about Couturier. Or maybe we should make some more definitive judgments based on camp and scrimmages? How about how Giroux is confirmed to be a permanent winger now? Just let me know.

What I was saying was obviously completely in the past and no longer an issue, since the real subject of my post (Hakstol) is gone and has no effect on the future of this team.

Or maybe you should add something to the conversation instead of your usual condescending bull****.

 

[backburner]

To be honest, I ignored him the other day because he was to negative.

 

[FLYguy3911]

One notable absence from the first 3 preseason games: Andrew MacDonald. For those that thought he’d find his way off the roster, BUCKLE UP.

 

[FatTugboatFlahr]

He played like a top 3 defenseman last year. You need guys like that.