Post-Game Talk: Flyers 2 - Jets 1 in a SO

[Romang67]

Only one team has won the President's Cup since then.
4th overall has won it 3 times.

The Red Wings (2008) and Blackhawks (2013) have both won the Stanley Cup as President's Trophy winners since then.

I am pretty sure we have more losses at home than we do on the road.


Still doesn't change the fact that finishing fourth gives you the best chance.

You should definitely bet a lot of money on that if you think those 3 wins in 20 years are actually predictive.

 

[10Ducky10]

Missed the Red Wings.
If I were to bet money on anybody winning the cup, it would be the Jets regardless of where they finish.

 

[Romang67]

Also, unless you reach the ECF/WCF, you pick 28th in the draft if you win the president's trophy, not 30th.

I'd take that pick, and a statistically much greater chance of winning the Stanley Cup, over trying to pin-point what seed has seen the most success over a sample of 20 data points.

 

[Jet]

Only one team has won the President's Cup since then.
4th overall has won it 3 times.

Trying to glean anything from a sample size this small is what's wrong with how people use data.

 

[Johnnucleo]

based on? ehlers is 0/5 on shootout attempts and everyone knows he can't score on a breakaway

Ehlers would just skate down and do his big wind up slapper which is dumb against a goalie the size of Fedotov. Maybe should have tried Perfetti?

 

[Jets 31]

I am pretty sure we have more losses at home than we do on the road.


Still doesn't change the fact that finishing fourth gives you the best chance.

23-5-4 at home and 19-10 on the road.

 

[Crocket]

Ehlers would just skate down and do his big wind up slapper which is dumb against a goalie the size of Fedotov. Maybe should have tried Perfetti?

Nothing looks better than a breakaway clapper

 

[johnnyonthspot]

OK. I'm tempted to give you a sec to realize your fatal error here, but I don't think you'd be able to do it

You're comparing 1 finishing position vs 31 finishing positions combined

Do you think that you're smart enough to come up with a more accurate way?

I'll give you a hint... maybe compare the chances of a 1st place team winning the cup with the chances of each of the 31 other positions... and tell me which one of all the 32 finishing positions that you'd rather have the Jets finish in

I am definitely not smart enough to know what you are getting at other than you are not jaded like me but I will state my position clearly for those who care:
Winning the President's trophy doe not mean anything to me; I would rather them win the cup. I am grateful to the hockey gods that the Jets are having a wonderfully successful regular season but I am not sure this will translate into a Stanley cup win or even winning a round in the playoffs. I hope it does because the only reason I follow the NHL is because the Jets are in it. I barely missed it after Jets 1.0 moved to Arizona.

I also think it must be noted that only 8 PT winners since 1986 have won the cup meaning there is no need to bust your chops to win the PT.

hilarious how @johnnyonthspot is quick to appear after every Jets L saying they'll suck in the playoffs and whatnot based on previous years.... yet this person is picking the Leafs to win the cup, the poster-team of accomplishing nothing in the playoffs. doesn't know how draft picks get slotted either? so an idiot and a closet leafs fan

It is hilarious how you only cherry pick the posts where I raise legitimate concerns about the team mostly for discussion purposes (perhaps sometimes to illicit these well thought out personal attacks' ). During the 11 game win streak I was the first to say I am on the bandwagon or jet plane. It is also hysterical that you are calling me an idiot because I said the 'reward ' for the PT is the 30th pick in the first round not 25–28 should they win the division. Do not worry, I will not call you an idiot when the leafs win the cup because you are a Jet fan and I know it will crush both of us to see that happen. I am, offended you called me a closet leafs fan because that hurts more than any other name you could call me.

 

[johnnyonthspot]

I'm not entirely sure what you think you meant to prove by telling me I have a greater than 1 in 5 chance of winning the cup if I win the President's Trophy when 16 teams make the playoffs every year.

I hate to break it to you but you have no chance of wining the cup unless you area player? In which case why the heck are you on here??
My point is the Jets are likely not focusing on winning the PT because the ultimate prize is the Stanley Cup.

 

[johnnyonthspot]

President's Trophy is a sick accomplishment, but this year it feels like it means something in terms of our chances in the playoffs. If it's the difference between Minnesota/Colorado and Calgary/Vancouver that's a really big advantage to have for us.

Home ice has arguably been a playoff disadvantage for us, so that doesn't matter to me. But getting WC2 is a plus this season.

Last year it would have meant Preds instead of Colorado...

Finishing first in the division gets you a shot at the weaker team not the PT but I get your point, which I appreciate you making in a non inflammatory way.
I think the Jets would possibly have lost to the Preds last year.

 

[Weezeric]

Finishing first in the division gets you a shot at the weaker team not the PT but I get your point, which I appreciate you making in a non inflammatory way.
I think the Jets would possibly have lost to the Preds last year.

Have the Jets ever played a game that you predicted them to win?

 

[johnnyonthspot]

Have the Jets ever played a game that you predicted them to win?

You are a funny poster. When I pick them to win they typically lose.

 

[DRW204]

I am definitely not smart enough to know what you are getting at other than you are not jaded like me but I will state my position clearly for those who care:
Winning the President's trophy doe not mean anything to me; I would rather them win the cup. I am grateful to the hockey gods that the Jets are having a wonderfully successful regular season but I am not sure this will translate into a Stanley cup win or even winning a round in the playoffs. I hope it does because the only reason I follow the NHL is because the Jets are in it. I barely missed it after Jets 1.0 moved to Arizona.

I also think it must be noted that only 8 PT winners since 1986 have won the cup meaning there is no need to bust your chops to win the PT.

It is hilarious how you only cherry pick the posts where I raise legitimate concerns about the team mostly for discussion purposes (perhaps sometimes to illicit these well thought out personal attacks' ). During the 11 game win streak I was the first to say I am on the bandwagon or jet plane. It is also hysterical that you are calling me an idiot because I said the 'reward ' for the PT is the 30th pick in the first round not 25–28 should they win the division. Do not worry, I will not call you an idiot when the leafs win the cup because you are a Jet fan and I know it will crush both of us to see that happen. I am, offended you called me a closet leafs fan because that hurts more than any other name you could call me.

Blah blah blah bunch of cop outs and shit. Go play frogger on the 401 you waste of bandwidth.

 

[Puckatron 3000]

Trying to glean anything from a sample size this small is what's wrong with how people use data.

Yesterday I stubbed my toe after eating a sandwich. I'm never going to eat a sandwich again.

Blah blah blah bunch of cop outs and shit. Go play frogger on the 401 you waste of bandwidth.

Normally your solid hockey opinions are argued a little too harshly for me @DRW204 , but "go play frogger on the 401 you waste of bandwidth" is pretty funny. I laughed.

 

[Jets 31]

Blah blah blah bunch of cop outs and shit. Go play frogger on the 401 you waste of bandwidth.

 

[Johnny HFBOARDS]

Winning the President's trophy is not the number one goal obviously but to say the Jets have a better chance to win the Cup if we don't finish 1st overall is hilarious. I guarantee you every single team in the league would want 1st overall because it's home ice advantage throughout the playoffs . Does that guarantee success ? absolutely not but it sure as hell is a bit of a advantage. Since we are saying only 8 1st place teams have won the Cup do you know how many 8th place teams have won a Cup ? 1 , a grand total of 1 whole team.

If you don't get the PresTroph the StanCup is more like a tarnished Grey Cup. Pretty sure that's how it's been perceived since the start of time.

 

[johnnyonthspot]

Blah blah blah bunch of cop outs and shit. Go play frogger on the 401 you waste of bandwidth.

Wow wishing for my demise on the 401 is harsher than calling me an idiot and Bandwith also seems like a big word to use to describe a closet leaf fan.

I am comfortable in my skin and my opinions. Your belligerent behavior towards those who do not think like you may scare some into conforming or not posting on here but so all you read are platitudes about but not me.

Peace out bro and let's hope our Jets can start a new winning streak.

 

[johnnyonthspot]

Winning the President's trophy is not the number one goal obviously but to say the Jets have a better chance to win the Cup if we don't finish 1st overall is hilarious. I guarantee you every single team in the league would want 1st overall because it's home ice advantage throughout the playoffs . Does that guarantee success ? absolutely not but it sure as hell is a bit of a advantage. Since we are saying only 8 1st place teams have won the Cup do you know how many 8th place teams have won a Cup ? 1 , a grand total of 1 whole team.

There are certainly no guarantees once any team makes it into the playoffs but it is interesting that only the 8th place team has only won the cup once (I assume since 1986). My point is that the Jets do not need to go all out to win the PT. They need to stay healthy and be ready for the first round but avoiding the Av's in Rd1 would be nice.

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[Jets 31]

There are certainly no guarantees once any team makes it into the playoffs but it is interesting that only the 8th place team has only won the cup once (I assume since 1986). My point is that the Jets do not need to go all out to win the PT. They need to stay healthy and be ready for the first round but avoiding the Av's in Rd1 would be nice.

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Absolutely healthy and playing well is the most important thing but i want the Jets to every advantage they can and home ice advantage is a advantage. Last line change and playing in front of our great fans both help.