Value of: FLYERS #12

[AKL]

Wild literally have no need for Laughton! He sucks and is old! Wild don’t need anymore bottom line C

• Laughton is the throw in to "replace" Rossi in the short term
• The 12th pick (if there's still someone there Minnesota likes) is the value you're getting for Rossi
• Guerin loves physical and defensive forwards
• The Wild do need a bottom six center to push Khusnutdinov and/or Gaudreau down to the fourth line where they belong
• They especially need another center if they're trading Rossi

 

[MTL Dirty Birdy]

Since Michkov comming in PHI next year my guess is Briere would most likely try to have a better team next year.

Center and LHD seems to be a weak position for them.

What would be the ask from PHI to trade that #12 pick ?

Curious, LD is a position of strength for the Habs. What would Philly realistically ask for the 12th

 

[Hextallent63]

The stupidest possible thing they could do is trade the 12th pick without moving up. Even they know that. Word has been that they are trying to move up, particularly with the rumored Ottawa trade (where they'd likely be targeting #7). And they've almost certainly known Michkov has been good to go for some time now.

I 100% agree with you here although I think the chance of that trade not happening due to how the draftees fall has a high probability

 

[IronMarshal]

Curious, LD is a position of strength for the Habs. What would Philly realistically ask for the 12th

A higher pick than number 12 is what they would want to move from number 12

 

[TheKingPin]

Flames will take Risto for number 12

What is sad is the Flyers traded 14 OA and a 2nd for Risto. I couldn’t believe it when I heard it.

 

[KevinRedkey]

7 + 39 + Korpisalo

FWIW - According to Puckpedia's draft pick value tool:
39 + moving up from 12 to 7 is worth the equivalent to pick 19. What this means is this is similar in value to offering 19 straight up for taking Korpisalo.

 

[SnS]

7 + 39 + Korpisalo

FWIW - According to Puckpedia's draft pick value tool:
39 + moving up from 12 to 7 is worth the equivalent to pick 19. What this means is this is similar in value to offering 19 straight up for taking Korpisalo.

I think that would hamper the Flyers too much to make an actual good move with some money opened up. Since the Flyers never rebuild.

I’d imagine they’d want to have a move ready to move some money out if that boat anchor contract is coming in.

 

[Mersss]

Easy easy pass from this Flyers fan.

Easily the best deal on here. Flyers get their #1PMD of the future.

 

[bringbacktheskate604]

Let's say Iginla/Sennecke or Catton are there at #12 i could see the Habs putting Guhle on the table.

MTL : Guhle + #78
for
PHI : #12 + #32

Guhle-Sanheim
York-Drysdale

Solid top 4 on D

I'm not a habs fan and I dont think Ghule will ever be a top pairing guy on a good team but he's the only dman on the habs that fits their timeline and has shown he's a top four guy. Why would a team looking to start competing trade a guy for picks when every D prospect they have has a lower ceiling or has serious issues that may hold them back?
There's a chance that none of them ever hit anywhere near the expectations habs fans are hoping for. At least Guhle has shown he's gonna be a dependable top four guy.

 

[Dog]

Marner+#23 for #12+Konecny

 

[FlyguyOX]

Marner+#23 for #12+Konecny

Why are the flyers throwing in the better assets

 

[ponder719]

Marner+#23 for #12+Konecny

The thought of a deal around Marner and Konecny crossed my mind (The Flyers getting a bigtime offensive option to play with Michkov, Toronto getting someone who can still score, but plays with more of an edge and more defensive responsibility), but I would rather see this executed without the Flyers giving up #12 if possible, something where the key assets are Marner for Konecny and Laughton (and maybe a Jarnkrok or Reaves to Philly, if Toronto wants to move some salary out the door beyond Marner.) Laughton's been connected to Toronto for years now, and I think building out the Leafs' forward depth and freeing up a bit of extra cap to reinvest in their defense could pay dividends down the line.

That said, I can imagine the user population of this board in particular feeling like the pick would be essential, seeing as this place was a prospect website first and foremost.

 

[Mersss]

I'm not a habs fan and I dont think Ghule will ever be a top pairing guy on a good team but he's the only dman on the habs that fits their timeline and has shown he's a top four guy. Why would a team looking to start competing trade a guy for picks when every D prospect they have has a lower ceiling or has serious issues that may hold them back?
There's a chance that none of them ever hit anywhere near the expectations habs fans are hoping for. At least Guhle has shown he's gonna be a dependable top four guy.

Come on now let's be serious here. Guhle may not be a #1 that QB a PP but he's easilly a #2 in more than 75% of the teams in the NHL

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

The Flyers are likely to see how the draft shakes out before making any trade to move up. Anything before then would be foolish

 

[Dog]

Why are the flyers throwing in the better assets

Marner is better than Konecny

The thought of a deal around Marner and Konecny crossed my mind (The Flyers getting a bigtime offensive option to play with Michkov, Toronto getting someone who can still score, but plays with more of an edge and more defensive responsibility), but I would rather see this executed without the Flyers giving up #12 if possible, something where the key assets are Marner for Konecny and Laughton (and maybe a Jarnkrok or Reaves to Philly, if Toronto wants to move some salary out the door beyond Marner.) Laughton's been connected to Toronto for years now, and I think building out the Leafs' forward depth and freeing up a bit of extra cap to reinvest in their defense could pay dividends down the line.

That said, I can imagine the user population of this board in particular feeling like the pick would be essential, seeing as this place was a prospect website first and foremost.

Konecny+Laughton+#31/32 for Marner+Jarnkrok

 

[ponder719]

Konecny+Laughton+#31/32 for Marner+Jarnkrok

Deal. I'll call it into the head office, you forge Treliving's signature on the fax.

 

[FlyguyOX]

Marner is better than Konecny
Konecny+Laughton+#31/32 for Marner+Jarnkrok

Then why is Toronto trading him?

No, I value Konecny, his future cap hit, and the pick more than Marner and what will be his second ridiculous contract. Would Bruins trade prime Marchand for prime Marner? Doubtful.

 

[Dog]

Deal. I'll call it into the head office, you forge Treliving's signature on the fax.

If I have to forge Treliving signature I need 200k in cash in briefcase.

 

[GrandmaCookie]

Then why is Toronto trading him?

No, I value Konecny, his future cap hit, and the pick more than Marner and what will be his second ridiculous contract. Would Bruins trade prime Marchand for prime Marner? Doubtful.

Insanity.

 

[FlyguyOX]

Insanity.

Does Konecny put up less points if he were in Marner's position with his linemates? I'm not sure I can be convinced he wouldn't. Konecny is PP1 and PK1 just like Marner. Just on a team bereft of skill and thus a good powerplay. But Konecny brings sandpaper and drags his teammates into the fight.

Marner gets spankings on the bench by his teammates.

 

[ponder719]

Does Konecny put up less points if he were in Marner's position with his linemates? I'm not sure I can be convinced he wouldn't. Konecny is PP1 and PK1 just like Marner. Just on a team bereft of skill and thus a good powerplay. But Konecny brings sandpaper and drags his teammates into the fight.

Marner gets spankings on the bench by his teammates.

I mean, you should be convinced. Konecny's career year in points was 68, and his career PPG is 0.71. Setting aside Marner's rookie year, his career low is 67, and those were in 59 and 55 game seasons; his career PPG is 1.11, and he's never had a season with lower PPG than TK's career average. TK probably has another 10-15 points a year in him with Marner's linemates, but I don't see him having a 3 year run of 97, 99, and 85 points no matter who he's working with.

TK's a great player, and he brings more than points, but Marner's offensive production is genuinely on a level higher than TK's.

 

[Mersss]

Then why is Toronto trading him?

No, I value Konecny, his future cap hit, and the pick more than Marner and what will be his second ridiculous contract. Would Bruins trade prime Marchand for prime Marner? Doubtful.

Except Konecny gas never reached prime Marchand status... And never will.

Marchand was already PPG at the age Konecny is now

 

[FlyguyOX]

I mean, you should be convinced. Konecny's career year in points was 68, and his career PPG is 0.71. Setting aside Marner's rookie year, his career low is 67, and those were in 59 and 55 game seasons; his career PPG is 1.11, and he's never had a season with lower PPG than TK's career average. TK probably has another 10-15 points a year in him with Marner's linemates, but I don't see him having a 3 year run of 97, 99, and 85 points no matter who he's working with.

TK's a great player, and he brings more than points, but Marner's offensive production is genuinely on a level higher than TK's.

Not debating his production has been higher than TK's. I'm debating the team effects on that. Does Marner score more than TK on last years Flyer team? I'm not sure of that.

Except Konecny gas never reached prime Marchand status... And never will.

Marchand was already PPG at the age Konecny is now

Must be nice to have a HOF center and a star winger to play with.

 

[SnS]

Easily the best deal on here. Flyers get their #1PMD of the future.

I’d rather keep the 12, we don’t need Hutson.

 

[Mersss]

I’d rather keep the 12, we don’t need Hutson.

I mean if you prefer a guy like Helenous, Nygard or Eiserman thats up to you for sure.

All D of Hutson calibre will be gone by 12