Post-Game Talk: Florida Panthers at New York Rangers - November 28

[Inferno]

Who were the Rangers 2 best players? I think all of us would agree Buchnevich and Kreider right?

Names of players who played more minutes than Kreider... Hayes, Vesey!!!, Zucc, Nash.
Names of players who played more minutes than Buch..all of the above PLUS, Desharnais, and JT Miller.

Good coaches play their best players the most minutes.

Kreider and Buch should basically have not left the ice in this game. any sane coach would have them playing a MINIMUM of 20 minutes tonight, maybe even closer to 25 the way they were going.

so yeah...FIRE AV.

 

[Inferno]

Trocheck played almost 24 minutes...Barkov played over 20.

that's good coaching. Kreider playing like 15 mins? Idiocy.

does Ruff run the Defense? because Im seeing Shatty and Skjei getting huge minutes, and Kampfer and Staal seeing the bench. Thats good coaching. Holden was the next lowest ice time, but you cant play Shatty and Skjei for 40 mins so you have no choice but to play him.

Ruff seems to allocate ice time a helluva lot better than AV.

 

[Ori]

Any news on Zib injury?

 

[mike14]

Who were the Rangers 2 best players? I think all of us would agree Buchnevich and Kreider right?

Names of players who played more minutes than Kreider... Hayes, Vesey!!!, Zucc, Nash.
Names of players who played more minutes than Buch..all of the above PLUS, Desharnais, and JT Miller.

Good coaches play their best players the most minutes.

Kreider and Buch should basically have not left the ice in this game. any sane coach would have them playing a MINIMUM of 20 minutes tonight, maybe even closer to 25 the way they were going.

so yeah...FIRE AV.

I actually think the Hayes-Nash line was just as good as the Kreider line, just without the finish. Between the two lines they should have played close to 45 minutes, leaving the majority of the rest for the Miller line. AV's ice time distribution continues to defy easy explanation...

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Any news on Zib injury?

AV said he will know more tomorrow.

 

[Inferno]

I actually think the Hayes-Nash line was just as good as the Kreider line, just without the finish. Between the two lines they should have played close to 45 minutes, leaving the majority of the rest for the Miller line. AV's ice time distribution continues to defy easy explanation...

i didnt think they were nearly as good...they werent abysmal or anything..and i was going to post elsewhere that I was VERY happy with Veseys game tonight...much moreso than the game last time..but Kreider and Buchnevich were just dominant...they never left the offensive zone.

 

[Ori]

Yeah, the Miller line was good partly in the 1st and 2nd, but they were off in the last 20 min.

 

[Ori]

i didnt think they were nearly as good...they werent abysmal or anything..and i was going to post elsewhere that I was VERY happy with Veseys game tonight...much moreso than the game last time..but Kreider and Buchnevich were just dominant...they never left the offensive zone.

Yes, it might be the game of the year for those players so sad that we lost this one.

 

[RainingRats]

Panthers fan who was at the game coming in peace.

No idea why AV wasn't playing Krieder, Grabner and Buchnevich more. Krieder and Buchnevich looked great and were completely dominating the play at times. Our team has issues with wingers with speed, especially because 1/2 our d can't skate well and our forwards get caught up ice because our forecheck is too aggressive.

Poor coaching to not roll them out more, especially all three with their speed against our gassed team. Big coaching blunder, imo.

 

[aufheben]

I'm comfortable blaming this loss completely on bad luck and Nick Holden.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

I do agree that his movement and balance look miles better this year than last. Absolutely they do. What I think some fans need to get used to, however, is the idea of him getting beat cleanly by less than elite shooters. And deflections sneaking past him. The body reacts slower as you get older. At the NHL level even milliseconds matter. We're seeing this with him now.

Yep he’s going to be perfect less often these days and that’s just a fact we have to live with. Truth is he can be imperfect and still be a difference maker for us. If he can go on 10-2 runs playing as well as he has been and then have a stinker or two before another good run, then that’s just a fact of life now.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Panthers fan who was at the game coming in peace.

No idea why AV wasn't playing Krieder, Grabner and Buchnevich more. Krieder and Buchnevich looked great and were completely dominating the play at times. Our team has issues with wingers with speed, especially because 1/2 our d can't skate well and our forwards get caught up ice because our forecheck is too aggressive.

Poor coaching to not roll them out more, especially all three with their speed against our gassed team. Big coaching blunder, imo.

Story of AV’s tenure as Rangers Coach right here. Coaching blunder, poor player usage and deployment.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

please I hope not when my dad passed we stopped getting garden season tickets and by then I had bought my own Isles pass

I can appreciate that.

 

[Ainec]

Buch is a good player, but is he that much better than any of these guys? Play it safe

Miller
Zucc
Nash
Grabner
Kreider
Fast
Vesey

two centers (can't swap out)
Hayes
Desharnais

edit: made his head bigger than it already is

 

[72hockey guy]

I can appreciate that.

you know whats funny my mom still has a picture of me at like 4 years old wearing a GREEN RANGERS nappy, they must have given them out on st Pattys day or something like that

 

[Boruto]

Trocheck played almost 24 minutes...Barkov played over 20.

that's good coaching. Kreider playing like 15 mins? Idiocy.

does Ruff run the Defense? because Im seeing Shatty and Skjei getting huge minutes, and Kampfer and Staal seeing the bench. Thats good coaching. Holden was the next lowest ice time, but you cant play Shatty and Skjei for 40 mins so you have no choice but to play him.

Ruff seems to allocate ice time a helluva lot better than AV.

Wow, I did not believe you at first when you said Kreider had 15:40 minutes. Absolutely insane. Nieves had 12:05.

This coach is incompetent with personnel. Incompetent. Kreider was a monster tonight. Best player on the ice for both teams. Best play off the ice. Entire 50 contracts for both teams. 100 players. 15:45 of ice time.

Vigneault would lose a war with 100,000 men against a playground full of kindergarten children.

Same man that "lost" Skjei-Smith when they were the best defense pairing on the ice against Ottawa, including Karlsson's pairing.

Gorton needs to "lose" Vigneault this off season.

 

[Boruto]

Disgusting. You put Kreider's line out there for an extra 5 minutes with Buch, we would have scored the 5-4 goal and not the other way around. Disgusting. Incompetent man child coach. Kreider only had 15:40 in ice time because Vigneault was getting off on punishing Buchnevich to his own delight. That's why Kreider only had 15:40 in ice time. I don't want to believe a coach can be so stupid that they can't find more ice time for the best player on the ice for both teams.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Buch is a good player, but is he that much better than any of these guys? Play it safe

Miller
Zucc
Nash
Grabner
Kreider
Fast
Vesey

two centers (can't swap out)
Hayes
Desharnais

edit: made his head bigger than it already is

Miller was playing Center tonight and removing him from that list of wings, Buchnevich is 100% the top 4 of them. Zucc, Kreider, Nash, Buch.

I would really love a Rangers reporter to flat out ask why Buchnevich got so little ice time 5v5 in a game where he was awesome, a goal and 2 assists and was dynamic with Kreider out there, plus we were trailing the whole time, what is the excuse? How do you rationalize Buch getting less 5v5 ice time than everyone except for Boo and Carey? Can someone please ask AV?

You could at least "understand" his reasoning in a tight game we're leading (I don't agree with it, but can see old school coach logic there) or something, but tonight?

 

[Ori]

I agree @Glen Sathers Cigar AV used the 4th line too much even though they had good looks - you need players out there who can be a different. DD was a completely new player with Kreider & Buch, and he do not even fit on our 4th line even Kreider had warm words for him in his interview. DD was not even scheduled to play this game. I think DD is better in a wing role on the 4th line when Zib is back though - he can at least send good quick passes and he should play instead of Carey.

 

[Lion Hound]

I'm blaming the loss on the zebras. Crease call I thought was pretty bad.

KDB line was just fun to watch. Love it when a player or in this case players take over a game. That's what happened almost every time that line was out tonight. Very entertaining.

Also though Miller had a strong game along with Nash and yes...Vesey, the guy who some folks here seem to think is the worst player in the NHL.

 

[Ori]

Yeah, I agree it was a questionable call by the refs. It was a huge surprise since DD had to dress 25 minutes before the game started, and he was scratched by AV instead of Carey think about that.

 

[nevesis]

Shatty out partying with his fiancé late night right now per his IG story.

Glad it ain’t Holden. Lol

 

[LeetchisGod]

Story of AV’s tenure as Rangers Coach right here. Coaching blunder, poor player usage and deployment.

Amazingly some on this board defend him whenever the team has a winning streak. It's like they didn't watch the playoffs last year. He coached terribly in the Habs series but Hank bailed him out. He coached terribly in the Sens series but Hank couldn't save him.

 

[Ori]

But seriously it sucks losing games, but I really enjoyed the game too this night, and some really good offensive hockey for sure from all 4 lines, but in different periods, and hopefully it was just one of those off nights with Smith & Holden, because I doubt Gorton will call up Graves & Pionk this time of the year, but who knows.

All players can do mistakes like that so maybe bad to single players out and it`s a team game end of the day. We`ve 48 hours to rest and practice defense until our next game on friday, and hopefully Ryan Mc is back!

 

[Ori]

Amazingly some on this board defend him whenever the team has a winning streak. It's like they didn't watch the playoffs last year. He coached terribly in the Habs series but Hank bailed him out. He coached terribly in the Sens series but Hank couldn't save him.

Yes, I can understand the criticism about AV and I`ve voiced my opinion so many times too about him to not sound like a broken record. But to speculate concerning the topic - how long do you think AV will last like end of this season? What if this team is far behind schedule and their main goal concerning the playoffs race late January? Do you see AV gone and replaced before the season end, or do you think Glen Sather will wait until end of the season to do some coach changes as he did with Torts some years ago?