Seravalli: Flames trying to trade for a center

[Volica]

and then we'll hear a month from now "all of the options were too expensive.....they wanted player X...!" Rinse and repeat to pretend as if the Flames aren't tanking.

Well yes.
But also, we aren't quite tanking. The lineup we have in the NHL while it isn't great, isn't tanking team bad.

The cost of sub 24 centres, especially with upside is normally pretty astronomical. That all said, you just wait for dumb teams to do dumb things. Pretty much NHL 101.

 

[DJJones]

and then we'll hear a month from now "all of the options were too expensive.....they wanted player X...!" Rinse and repeat to pretend as if the Flames aren't tanking.

Brads not hear any more. We don't need to hear nonsense about the process.

If a deal isn't available so be it. I don't know what else Conroy has to do to convince people they aren't tanking though.

At this point he's probably looking for an upgrade on Miromanov as well. Bahls been great.

 

[SEALBound]

Are the Flames looking for a younger center to develop with the team? Meaning a long-term solution that will cost actual assets?

Or are they looking more short-term for fewer assets?

Honestly, Lars Eller and Kevin Hayes have been looking good for the Penguins. Maybe not the sexiest options but the cost would be reasonable and they would certainly fill a role. Eller is a UFA and is playing for a contract. Hayes has one more year left but only at $3mil.

 

[Zirakzigil]

Are the Flames looking for a younger center to develop with the team? Meaning a long-term solution that will cost actual assets?

Or are they looking more short-term for fewer assets?

Honestly, Lars Eller and Kevin Hayes have been looking good for the Penguins. Maybe not the sexiest options but the cost would be reasonable and they would certainly fill a role. Eller is a UFA and is playing for a contract. Hayes has one more year left but only at $3mil.

They are looking for an under 26 year old center who is also a right handed shot.

 

[SEALBound]

They are looking for an under 26 year old center who is also a right handed shot.

To be fair, Eller is playing like he's 26?

 

[Figgy44]

Brads not hear any more. We don't need to hear nonsense about the process.

If a deal isn't available so be it. I don't know what else Conroy has to do to convince people they aren't tanking though.

At this point he's probably looking for an upgrade on Miromanov as well. Bahls been great.

Yeah, Conroy just explains how the deal fit into his idea now. For a guy that never stop talking, honestly speaking it's impressive how he's kept most of these trade rumors under wraps to the level he has so far.

The Markstrom one though, I don't know if that one was on him for getting out... but that one got weird.

 

[Volica]

Are the Flames looking for a younger center to develop with the team? Meaning a long-term solution that will cost actual assets?

Or are they looking more short-term for fewer assets?

Honestly, Lars Eller and Kevin Hayes have been looking good for the Penguins. Maybe not the sexiest options but the cost would be reasonable and they would certainly fill a role. Eller is a UFA and is playing for a contract. Hayes has one more year left but only at $3mil.

This.
Not the other one. We have three NHL-level centres already. Kadri and Backlund have been guys doing the full time centre thing for over a decade. Pospisil is currently centering the top offensive unit with Huberdeau and Mantha and is the leading scorer down the middle for us. Connor Zary is a natural centre and has talked about wanting to get back to that role last summer although he's currently tied for second in points and has looked offensively strong on the wing (arguably this is Treliving's best GMing drafted Zary while trading down twice in his last few years).

We have Sharangovich coming back in a few weeks who can play centre (albeit a better scoring winger).

Looking for a 22-24 year old guy, change of scenery candidate. Top 6 type upside if they aligned.

Going off who I think Conroy means:

Kirby Dach
Trevor Zegras
Alex Newhook
Peyton Krebs
Connor McMichael
Shane Pinto
Dawson Mercer
Dylan Cozens

Calgary's a really solid development team, something I don't think they get enough credit for; especially in recent history (let's say the past 10 years). They've also really gotten the most out of younger guys they've acquired. Sharangovich went from healthy scratch to 30 goals; Kevin Bahl, albeit a short time frame, has been really, really good in Calgary. Like he's easily been one of our three best defenders. Getting blood from stone in Pachal who's been a great depth guy as a waiver find.

 

[seafoam]

Barzal + Engvall for 1st, Coronato, and roster piece.

 

[Bond]

Soon Vancouver fans will be offering Petersson for Huberdeau

 

[SensontheRush]

Before this thread chugs to a halt, I think someone like Shane Pinto would fit Conroy's profile.

Age 23, RHS C, 6'3", 201 lb. from Franklin Square, NY.

Sens have little cap room and trading him for picks/prospects/roster player for any gaps they may have might work.

I do not know what their needs are, but Flames have currency at the wing and defensive positions, not to mention cap space.

Is Pinto the cat's meow? I don't know that either, but would file him under succession planning for the day that Backlund or Kadri are no longer with the club (or injured).

Pinto is going to get the $4m from Perron's contract tacked onto his when their respective contracts end. This being beyond the fact that he is pretty much an untouchable asset to the team.

Sens are actually poised really well as far as the cap is concerned.

 

[Yepthatsme]

Barzal + Engvall for 1st, Coronato, and roster piece.

Calgary is looking for trades that actively make the team younger, not older. While Flames posters here probably wouldn’t agree I could see some of our excess 1sts being used in a trade like this, but Coronato wouldn’t be the piece going back. Value wise I think the Flames win big there, but I don’t think that’s what Conroy has in mind.

Something more along another teams 1st, and a mix of 2 of the following would be closer: Kadri, Andersson at 50%, Coleman, or one of our 2023/24 drafted prospects (other than Honzek and Parekh). Calgary would obviously love to get their hands on Barzal, but I doubt this would be enough.

 

[ManByng]

Want Hertl?

No way, you traded for him so you're stuck with him !!

 

[jfhabs]

I love it

 

[Altimus]

Looking for a 22-24 year old guy, change of scenery candidate. Top 6 type upside if they aligned.

Going off who I think Conroy means:

Kirby Dach
Trevor Zegras
Alex Newhook
Peyton Krebs
Connor McMichael
Shane Pinto
Dawson Mercer
Dylan Cozens

Zegras and Krebs are the only ones on your list who might benefit to a "change of scenery ". The rest are just players who are unavailable.

 

[Some Other Flame]

Conroy's top priority is still to find an “age-appropriate” centre, which he defines as being a player between 23 and 25 who has pro experience.

Someone who can be part of the long-term plan in Calgary.

Think Kirby Dach, a six-foot-four, 221-pound 23-year-old who shoots from the right side.

Costly, as he was traded by Chicago for a first and third rounder.

The question is what sort of assets the Flames would be willing to part with for a middle-man of any significance?

“Unless you have some injuries and needed to do something, sending a first-round pick for a guy who would be here for a year doesn’t make much sense,” said the GM, mindful of the rebuild afoot.

“But if it was a first-round pick for a guy who would be here long term, we would be open to that.”

“Centres are tough. It’s a hard market.

“If you have them, you don’t really want to give them up. So that’s my job, to look and see if it’s out there.”

Flames' Conroy knows his team still needs a centre, despite their record

The Calgary Flames are looking for another centre. They have been ever since they lost Elias Lindholm nine months ago. It’s not new.

www.sportsnet.ca

 

[Figgy44]

Zegras and Krebs are the only ones on your list who might benefit to a "change of scenery ". The rest are just players who are unavailable.

That poster is saying those are examples of the higher and lower range of what Conroy is probably looking for as an example. That poster isn't saying that those players are available and that Conroy may have inquired about them.

 

[Yepthatsme]

One player that hasn’t been named so far is Martin Necas. Wonder if the Hurricanes would be interested in a Necas for Andersson at 50%+ trade. Burns is getting old and they could get a natural replacement for him on a team that has always valued defenseman.

 

[Cowumbus]

This is probably a nothingburger, but I'd like to see CBJ try and move Merzlikins (0 to 20% retained) and Sillinger to CGY for Coleman, Vladar and a pick/prospect. CBJ could move Vladar as a deadline rental or keep him past the deadline. Either way. Not sure if CGY would offer a pick/prospect that would satisfy CBJ though.

Not letting Sillinger go. Vader isn’t good. What’s the upside for us? We have 20 mill in cap space and don’t need to move Elvis. Gross.

 

[Breeze 44]

I don't get opinion of Krebs...I don't think that guy has shown anything worthwhile in his career so far.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

This.
Not the other one. We have three NHL-level centres already. Kadri and Backlund have been guys doing the full time centre thing for over a decade. Pospisil is currently centering the top offensive unit with Huberdeau and Mantha and is the leading scorer down the middle for us. Connor Zary is a natural centre and has talked about wanting to get back to that role last summer although he's currently tied for second in points and has looked offensively strong on the wing (arguably this is Treliving's best GMing drafted Zary while trading down twice in his last few years).

We have Sharangovich coming back in a few weeks who can play centre (albeit a better scoring winger).

Looking for a 22-24 year old guy, change of scenery candidate. Top 6 type upside if they aligned.

Going off who I think Conroy means:

Kirby Dach
Trevor Zegras
Alex Newhook
Peyton Krebs
Connor McMichael
Shane Pinto
Dawson Mercer
Dylan Cozens

Calgary's a really solid development team, something I don't think they get enough credit for; especially in recent history (let's say the past 10 years). They've also really gotten the most out of younger guys they've acquired. Sharangovich went from healthy scratch to 30 goals; Kevin Bahl, albeit a short time frame, has been really, really good in Calgary. Like he's easily been one of our three best defenders. Getting blood from stone in Pachal who's been a great depth guy as a waiver find.

While I'm probably biased, I think in terms of prospect pool depth, flames are top 5 in the league. They have so many guys that have the potential to at least play bottom 6 or bottom pairing for a good stretch. Their issue is they don't really have any top guns outside of parekh (which is why I do wish they'd actually tank this year). Overall their prospect pool is top 10 in the league imho.

 

[Cowumbus]

Literally says the age group and right handed and so everyone naturally mentions loads of lefties and a lot of blokes in their early to mid 30s.

Going to be difficult to get an age 21-26 RH center. Not a lot of reason to trade those guys away.

 

[Fist of Fury]

Yep, Pageau is RH C and under 26.

 

[Lunatik]

Going to be difficult to get an age 21-26 RH center. Not a lot of reason to trade those guys away.

We all know that, which is why this is a nothingburger. Almost every team in teh league is looking for this same thing.

 

[blankall]

This.
Not the other one. We have three NHL-level centres already. Kadri and Backlund have been guys doing the full time centre thing for over a decade. Pospisil is currently centering the top offensive unit with Huberdeau and Mantha and is the leading scorer down the middle for us. Connor Zary is a natural centre and has talked about wanting to get back to that role last summer although he's currently tied for second in points and has looked offensively strong on the wing (arguably this is Treliving's best GMing drafted Zary while trading down twice in his last few years).

We have Sharangovich coming back in a few weeks who can play centre (albeit a better scoring winger).

Looking for a 22-24 year old guy, change of scenery candidate. Top 6 type upside if they aligned.

Going off who I think Conroy means:

Kirby Dach
Trevor Zegras
Alex Newhook
Peyton Krebs
Connor McMichael
Shane Pinto
Dawson Mercer
Dylan Cozens

Calgary's a really solid development team, something I don't think they get enough credit for; especially in recent history (let's say the past 10 years). They've also really gotten the most out of younger guys they've acquired. Sharangovich went from healthy scratch to 30 goals; Kevin Bahl, albeit a short time frame, has been really, really good in Calgary. Like he's easily been one of our three best defenders. Getting blood from stone in Pachal who's been a great depth guy as a waiver find.

Calgary, until Conroy took over, was an abysmal place to develop. If you wanted to play your entire career in the AHL, while the NHL team acquired veteran journeymen every UFA and trade deadline period, Calgary was the place for you.

Things are much improved now though. Conroy pulled up a bunch of guys and many are succeeding.

If McMichael is an option, Calgary should look at a big deal there.

 

[OVO16]

You can have David Kampf