Five members from Canada’s 2018 world junior team (Hart, McLeod, Dube, Foote and Formenton) told to surrender to police, facing sexual assault charges

[waitin425]

Um if guilty it’s gonna be a hell of a lot more than being banned from a hockey league…

You think so? There is certainly jail time implications for anyone convicted of sex assault. But, a whole slew of sentencing principals need to be applied in order to come to that conclusion. Take a seat in a Canadian courtroom sometime. It is very enlightening.

 

[jgimp]

Witnesses who kept to themselves for years? Hockey culture perhaps.

Naive to think this is only prevalent in hockey only. Religion, politics, Hollywood, Wall Street. It's all over the place.

 

[waitin425]

If found guilty they will be sex offenders. Crimes of moral turpitude. Would they even be allowed in the US?

Im guessing it depends on their current citizenship status. I am not familiar with US laws on non citizens entering and/or working in the states.

 

[CanadienShark]

And now the floodgates open. I really hope this wraps up sooner than later. It's not a good situation for anyone. Strange that Formenton was the first to arrive. It's no surprise he was involved, given all the smoke.

 

[Avs44]

And now the floodgates open. I really hope this wraps up sooner than later. It's not a good situation for anyone. Strange that Formenton was the first to arrive. It's no surprise he was involved, given all the smoke.

Given that he went off to Europe (which was strange, in of itself, given that nobody else allegedly involved did)...I wouldn't be surprised if he's 100% known this was coming for a long time and prepared his affairs and legal counsel well in advance. Wonder if the others were caught a bit more by surprise?

 

[Cancuks]

There are probably a lot of HHOF who are breathing a sigh of relief there were no smartphones/social media in the 80s and 90s.

 

[Menzinger]

Galchenyuk made racist, death threats toward law enforcement after a drunken/drugged driving crash that involved property damage. Those are pretty immutable and damning facts

This case is more convoluted and he said she said

They're definitely different situations. BUT the team was still able to void a contract without a formal conviction/guilty verdict.

 

[Mr Positive]

Given that he went off to Europe (which was strange, in of itself, given that nobody else allegedly involved did)...I wouldn't be surprised if he's 100% known this was coming for a long time and prepared his affairs and legal counsel well in advance. Wonder if the others were caught a bit more by surprise?

He'd go to Europe just because he wanted work, no? He's just not quite good enough for NHL. The only strange thing is that he's the only one to turn himself in, and it seems a lot like NHL players will want to fight this every step of the way and make this as private as possible since they have more to lose. I'm curious how this pans out for the NHL players involved

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

Naive to think this is only prevalent in hockey only. Religion, politics, Hollywood, Wall Street. It's all over the place.

No one said hockey only. In terms of that age bracket however...

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

He'd go to Europe just because he wanted work, no? He's just not quite good enough for NHL. The only strange thing is that he's the only one to turn himself in, and it seems a lot like NHL players will want to fight this every step of the way and make this as private as possible since they have more to lose. I'm curious how this pans out for the NHL players involved

He was definitely good enough to be playing in the NHL.

 

[Habby4Life]

I think only one of the players is possibly good enough to deal with the headache from a PR angle if they are allowed to play again. As has been said by others, the optics of this aren’t good. None of these players is Tyreek Hill good either. I think there is a good chance none play in the NHL again

Trial probably won't happen for 12 to 18 months. In the meantime, no team is going to bring one of these guys back until the legal portion is concluded. I think you are correct, could be none of them ever play again in the NHL.

 

[Golden_Jet]

I wonder if the victim will request a publication ban,

 

[Avs44]

He'd go to Europe just because he wanted work, no? He's just not quite good enough for NHL. The only strange thing is that he's the only one to turn himself in, and it seems a lot like NHL players will want to fight this every step of the way and make this as private as possible since they have more to lose. I'm curious how this pans out for the NHL players involved

He was a 22 year old coming off an 18 goal season...there was no chance he was "out" of the NHL because he wasn't good enough. Look at all the plugs that get NHL contracts. You think no team would take a very young near 20 goal scorer?

I'll also add that the Ottawa Senators gave him a qualifying offer in 2022 in order to retain his rights (they didn't "cut" him, as some have said. I believe they still, even now, hold his RFA rights). If Formenton had simply signed the offer, he would have had a guaranteed 1 year NHL contract. I'm sure the Senators' refusal to give Formenton a real offer beyond the qualifying offer indicates they knew the allegations and didn't want him back, but Formenton went into self-exile, essentially.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

And now the floodgates open. I really hope this wraps up sooner than later. It's not a good situation for anyone. Strange that Formenton was the first to arrive. It's no surprise he was involved, given all the smoke.

I am guessing that Formenton has known this was coming for a long time and is more mentally and practically prepared for it compared to the others.

 

[Uncle Rotter]

I want to know who the scumbag older well dressed man was buying everyone drinks and kept telling her to "take care of him" was. That one needs his testicles removed, regardless of what comes out in the court case. What a sleazy dirt bag he is.

His name's been made public.

 

[Golden_Jet]

And now the floodgates open. I really hope this wraps up sooner than later. It's not a good situation for anyone. Strange that Formenton was the first to arrive. It's no surprise he was involved, given all the smoke.

Probably another year or so.

 

[brentashton]

The presumption is that they are innocent. In order to be proven guilty, it must be beyond a reasonable doubt. Anything short of that standard, and we must assume they are not guilty. You are right though, that doesn't mean they didn't do what was alleged. It just means the crown couldn't meet the standard beyond a reasonable doubt. In addiiton, all the fact are not always admissable. That is where the nuance of the Criminal Justice system comes into play. A good lawyer, will make all kinds of arguments based on case law to argue inadmissibility of certain evidence. The majority of the criminal "legal" system is not about whether or not the person did something, it is about whether or not the crown can prove they did something, with the added pressure of arguing investigative actions or omissions, that investigators may or may not have done.

In any case, what is on trial is the accused rights, measured against the Charter of Rights and established case law.

Agreed. That is basically what I said in the earlier post.

 

[Gregor Samsa]

Trial probably won't happen for 12 to 18 months. In the meantime, no team is going to bring one of these guys back until the legal portion is concluded. I think you are correct, could be none of them ever play again in the NHL.

The players probably won’t want to play right now either. Good chance they’d be booed unmercifully, possibly by home crowds as well. Rape is one of the big 2 (or 3, depending) crimes that has a huge stigma attached to it for good reason. I doubt these players want to be pariahs right now

 

[swiftwin]

"Say it."

Or get beaten to death with golf clubs.

I agree with you that it wasn't consent, but let's not act like the players were about to kill her, jesus christ.

 

[Avs44]

Probably another year or so.

Unless Ontario clears up their backup in Court (partially due to underfunding; partially due to Covid), it might easily be closer to two years...

 

[Larry44]

I am guessing that Formenton has known this was coming for a long time and is more mentally and practically prepared for it compared to the others.

Formenton and his counsel clearly agreed that he would be the face of this trial. The media aren’t going to camp out at LPS HQ 24/7. We’ll see but my guess is the rest of the suspects will slip in & out unnoticed.

If the police want you on camera they tip off the media; if they agree to be discreet, they take you in the back door at 2am.

 

[brentashton]

And now the floodgates open. I really hope this wraps up sooner than later. It's not a good situation for anyone. Strange that Formenton was the first to arrive. It's no surprise he was involved, given all the smoke.

Probably sloppy reporting by CTV but you could construe this to be that the others have already been through the LPS and have been formally charged and processed. Only Formenton’s team making this public statement? Maybe not, but really a poorly written story.

Formenton's legal team confirmed to The Associated Press that police in London, Ontario, have charged Formenton and several other players. Lawyer Daniel Brown did not say what charge Formenton was facing. - excerpt from CTV online story

 

[Golden_Jet]

You misunderstand this case.

EM wasn't able to provide consent to a gangbang - thus making it a gangrape - because she was ambushed by about a half dozen guys with clubs at hand.

Not because she was drunk or not. Her state of intoxication is completely secondary to this particular case of nonconsent.

Lmao at your hyperbole, you keep repeating,

Or get beaten to death with golf clubs.

Unless Ontario clears up their backup in Court (partially due to underfunding; partially due to Covid), it might easily be closer to two years...

Good point, forgot about the backlogs

 

[Chainshot]

He was definitely good enough to be playing in the NHL.

There was the report from Kypreos that the Melnyk sisters did not want him back on the Sens regardless of the outcome of all of this.

 

[Habby4Life]

The players probably won’t want to play right now either. Good chance they’d be booed unmercifully, possibly by home crowds as well. Rape is one of the big 2 (or 3, depending) crimes that has a huge stigma attached to it for good reason. I doubt these players want to be pariahs right now

It will be two years before trial concludes. Even if they are not convicted with the time absence (2yrs) and the graphic details that will come out, what team will want that PR nightmare.

IMO, they are done (NHL) and they probably all know it.