Gregor Samsa
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Five members from Canada’s 2018 world junior team (Hart, McLeod, Dube, Foote and Formenton) told to surrender to police, facing sexual assault charges
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I believe hockey Canada will face some consequences on the international stage at some point in time.
Chairman Maouth
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I'm sure this has been said already, but watch for players who are taking leaves of absence for personal reasons.
Can confirm.
Furthermore, I allegedly like your reply.
Can confirm.
Furthermore, I allegedly like your reply.
Atoyot
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Everything ESPN has and will release about this will have been gone over and scrutinized by lawyers to ensure that their asses are covered legally regardless of how the case plays out. This includes not explicitly linking the LOAs to the case. Their risk of being sued is 0.
Posters here are claiming they know for a fact who the 5 are and should be able to discuss it as fact with none of the scrutinizing. If they're allowed to and then it turns out only 4 of the 5 names are correct, say Dubé's LOA was actually for mental health reasons, then HFBoards is put at legal risk. So yeah, HFBoards would be at greater risk than ESPN.
Rich Nixon
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No, it'll just go in front of any editor with half a brain and they'll get it right. This isn't sticky or challenging reportage, this is basic journo 101 stuff. Don't need a lawyer reading every 400-word blurb about a case, if you found a way to f*** that up you wouldn't have earned a degree.
I am toxic
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No.
All institutions, whether sports bodies or corporations or government agencies should be held to account by independent bodies.
that is why many of us advocate for independent review of the police, among so many other things.
This case certainly hilites that need.
Wondercarrot
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So Ted,
While I appreciate the passive aggressive smart ass response it of course didn’t actually address the context of what I wrote.
When Bear responded to me and said the ESPN article used “amid sexual assault allegations” before naming every player he was implying that that does not mean they have been directly named.
The mod post you quoted is quite different - which is why I asked the question you felt compelled to answer unhelpfully.
Chairman Maouth
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Furthermore, HFBoards and individual HF users have been publicly threatened with legal action in the past by high-profile members of the hockey community because of comments made on this site.
For mods or admins reading this, I am not disclosing private information. This was in the news and it was openly discussed on this board at the time.
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nowhereman
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All I know is that, if my personal leave was resulting in the rumor mill suggesting I was culpable in a crime for which I was not responsible, you can sure as hell bet either me or my lawyer would be releasing a statement clarifying the situation pronto.
Atoyot
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Yeah, it's pretty simple, but my main point was that they'll report in a way that protects them legally, many posters here have already made it clear that if they were allowed to discuss it they would either have no intent to do that and/or they wouldn't know how. A bunch of lawyers was an exaggeration but I'm sure they're scrutinizing everything they release to be safe.
Ted Hoffman
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I'm sorry that the "why" has been explained several times - most prominently in the 1st post of this thread - and you keep asking but why not?
Really, it boils down to this: because the admins here said no. That's it. That's all that really matters. They don't owe you, me or anyone else here any further explanation, they don't owe you, me or anyone else where further justification. If they decide to expand on it, awesome - but they could just as easily stand by because we said no and you don't get to keep saying but other places are doing it, why can't we?
HF isn't other places, HF doesn't control what other places do. HF has taken a stance on this matter. You can dislike it from here to Helsinki and back, but at the end of the post HF has said "this is what's going to be allowed, this is what's not going to be allowed" and you can either accept it or you can stand up in your chair, scream I'M GONNA PRESS MY LUCK! and find out how long it takes before you hit a Whammy.
Strangle
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The speculation and little tidbits I read about this case reminds me a lot of the Tupac case
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I am toxic
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Both the NHL investigation and the Hockey Canada appeal process regarding the suspensions will be hushed up until after any criminal proceedings.
They don't have to hush it up, but the NHL and Hockey Canada prioritize minimizing scrutiny of their own rather than minimizing rape enabling culture.
It's pretty clear that any improvements will come despite these two institutions, not because of them.
They don't have to hush it up, but the NHL and Hockey Canada prioritize minimizing scrutiny of their own rather than minimizing rape enabling culture.
It's pretty clear that any improvements will come despite these two institutions, not because of them.
Kane One
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I'm so mad that ESPN gets to speculate on this while I don't.
Yukon Joe
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So not allowing the players names:
(First my usual disclaimer - I am a lawyer, but only qualified to practice law in Alberta. Defamation/libel is something I studied in school but not an area I practice in)
I suspect that if HF Boards had a bunch of posts naming the players, then got sued by said players, HF Boards would probably win a defamation lawsuit. But you want to know the easiest way to win a lawsuit? Avoid getting sued in the first place! So I can't really blame the Mods for being overly cautious here. And I don't know who owns HFBoards (a whois query comes back to GoDaddy as proxy). It probably makes a few bucks from ads, but I can't imagine it's all that much, and getting into a bunch of lawsuits can go through money FAST.
(First my usual disclaimer - I am a lawyer, but only qualified to practice law in Alberta. Defamation/libel is something I studied in school but not an area I practice in)
I suspect that if HF Boards had a bunch of posts naming the players, then got sued by said players, HF Boards would probably win a defamation lawsuit. But you want to know the easiest way to win a lawsuit? Avoid getting sued in the first place! So I can't really blame the Mods for being overly cautious here. And I don't know who owns HFBoards (a whois query comes back to GoDaddy as proxy). It probably makes a few bucks from ads, but I can't imagine it's all that much, and getting into a bunch of lawsuits can go through money FAST.
Gaylord Q Tinkledink
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Strangle
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Yukon Joe
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Well...
Here's what I know. London Police have sworn a document called an information. The informant on the information is stating that they have reasonable and probable grounds to believe that a sexual assault took place. That informant is someone who does have access to all of the details.
Dessloch
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Btw, would Hockey Canada be OK with their players gang banging drunk girls while on duty for the country & national team?
Strangle
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They’re being drama queens, they want to attack the people and they can’t do that unless they can name them.
And then they want to defend others and play detective and feel cool about the ‘power’ they feel by saying who did what and when et
Reality Check
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Golden_Jet
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The NHL and PA will let the police do their job first, as they should.
Since they know more than the league knows, and have spoken with players.
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