Five members from Canada’s 2018 world junior team (Hart, McLeod, Dube, Foote and Formenton) told to surrender to police, facing sexual assault charges

[MXD]

Being told to report and turn yourself in, does that even mean anything? What if they don’t? is there a warrant for their arrest?

It's probably to make sure it doesn't get to the warrant, since the ... individuals ... were public figures.

 

[Crazy Cizikas]

Just watched the Gone Girl kidnapping case in Netflix. It's insane that American police can lie to you about your lie detector test.

In America, some police officers make up a lot of stories and arrest people for no reason. They pretend that they caught the mastermind criminal and that their work in capturing the guy is a heroic act. In reality, they saw a jaywalker and arrest him as if he runs a cartel.

 

[abax44]

It sounds like you’re spending your time trying to excuse gang rape. Sad culture indeed.

Except, at this time, we have no proof it was a gang rape (or rape at all).

 

[Brooklyndevil]

In lots of cases, primarily those that take time and require additional resources, charges are not laid right away. This is because once the information is laid (aka charges), it begins the Jordan clock (See R. v Jordan case law).

Once a charge is laid, trial must happen within 18 months. If police are unable to gather the evidence in time, it is not a good idea to get charges laid right away. In some cases it makes sense if a victim’s safety is in jeopardy, such as domestic violence.

An example of something taking time would be the following:

Police execute a search warrant and electronic devices are seized. Now either the search warrant includes the search of the actual device or a second search warrant must be granted. Now let’s say that part was done. The electronic devices along with the warrant must be sent to the appropriate parties to extract the data. After that, the data must be analyzed. This all takes several months to complete in many cases.

Many people complain why the police aren’t doing anything and/or are slow, but that’s an explanation for everything to ensure things are done properly and lawfully. Should the 18 months elapse and trial does not happen, all charges are dropped.

This is my simple quick explanation.

Source: I am a Canadian Police Officer.

Question? Why did the investigation take over 5 years?

 

[Rich Nixon]

Follow the Money $$$$…

The London Police had all this information 5-1/2 years ago. No charges laid!

Introduce a backhanded shady slush fund 3 plus million payout and 5 days of parliament meeting getting the vocal me too movement stirred up …. Which probably cost an additional 5 -10 million of public $ to have these public inquires.

You don’t spend that kind of $$$ and have all those 2 faced no good politicians on all sides make promises for change with out having a final act in the courtroom !

Where’s the drama
Where’s the suspense in that
Where’s the cliffhanger
Who has the smoking gun

Follow the money !

The correct answer was probably deducted 5-1/2 years ago by the London police investigation then.

Nothing to see here … looked into it … move along … nothing to see here!

-3-1/2million later ( slush$) hockey Canada
-5-10 public $ money million later
- a lot of people out there want to see millionaire athletes lose everything and get knocked down 10 pegs citing hockey culture and they have it to easy….

Politicians and do gooders getting involved…..

We live in a complicated world, and some people can't handle it.

But I always find it funny when they try to cope by inventing batshit-insane levels of additional complexity with no logical motivations or endgame as you have above.

 

[DEANYOUNGBLOOD17]

Are you even vaguely familiar with the concept of an investigation or what lol

Are you vaguely aware With the concept that $$$ makes things happen.

Without the amounts of money involved in this case and the publicity it has received due to the money involved. It would be a local matter o. Page 5 of the local newspaper ( and nobody reads newspapers any more$

Dis-agree …. Then try standing up fo the other 10 thousand plus alleged group sex assault victims that don’t have millions attached to it that has happened in North America in the last 5 years as well.

 

[Brooklyndevil]

In America, some police officers make up a lot of stories and arrest people for no reason. They pretend that they caught the mastermind criminal and that their work in capturing the guy is a heroic act. In reality, they saw a jaywalker and arrest him as if he runs a cartel.

FBI do the same. Of course not all. You have good and bad.

 

[4thline]

I watched the ESPN documentary "Fantastic lies" about the Duke University lacrosse team and it's very similar to this. The 3 players were proven innocent and the victim admitted to lying also in 2013 the same girl killed her boyfriend and is now in jail. My point is these players from the 2018 team Canada could also be innocent.
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I mean, its similar in that theyre athletes that have been accused of a sexual offence in a group setting.

Other than that I have to question if you were awake for the documentary

 

[JIMVINNY]

It sounds like you’re spending your time trying to excuse gang rape. Sad culture indeed.

If she says it's consensual, and that no one restrained her, and she knew she could leave, how can it be called rape? It seems like you fundamentally misunderstand the meaning of the word.

 

[Number8]

What an absolutely incoherent metaphor.

OK, maybe I over reached. Here's the short version.

The guy I was responding to claimed that guys can be subjected to rape/sexual assault after drinking too much as well. I agreed that technically that is the case.

At the same time I can technically score a goal in an NHL game. The odds are extraordinarily low, but I am physically capable to putting a puck in the net.

Doesn't make me David Pastrnak though. i.e. One of these is not EVEN REMOTELY like the other.

Apologies in advance to the millions of men who are raped each year if I'm wrong on this. f*** me.

 

[Crazy Cizikas]

If she says it's consensual, and that no one restrained her, and she knew she could leave, how can it be called rape? It seems like you fundamentally misunderstand the meaning of the word.

Have you ever recorded someone on video giving consent? It sounds more like she was forced to consent on video.

 

[4thline]

If she says it's consensual, and that no one restrained her, and she knew she could leave, how can it be called rape?

If someone grudgingly "consents" while under duress/ in a compromising situation, did they consent?

 

[JIMVINNY]

Have you ever recorded someone on video giving consent? It sounds more like she was forced to consent on video.

She literally says he's being paranoid by asking her to give consent on video again. Seems like he was right to do so.

 

[Crazy Cizikas]

Except, at this time, we have no proof it was a gang rape (or rape at all).

We have criminal charges. That’s enough to think that a crime may have occurred.

 

[Nemesis Prime]

 

[BMOK33]

In America, some police officers make up a lot of stories and arrest people for no reason. They pretend that they caught the mastermind criminal and that their work in capturing the guy is a heroic act. In reality, they saw a jaywalker and arrest him as if he runs a cartel.

The line is fine on what they can and cannot do...some of the biggest cases have been solved by the FBI lying...the 2002 DC sniper case more or less was...they kept stating in media they were looking for a white van but they were really looking for a blue car...the vast majority of the semi truck industry network nearby was notified of this and they informed drivers in Maryland and Virginia to watch for the car...sure enough that is exactly how they got caught. It was a ploy to make the snipers believe the authorities were looking for the wrong type automobile hoping they'd be careless

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Are you vaguely aware With the concept that $$$ makes things happen.

Without the amounts of money involved in this case and the publicity it has received due to the money involved. It would be a local matter o. Page 5 of the local newspaper ( and nobody reads newspapers any more$

Dis-agree …. Then try standing up fo the other 10 thousand plus alleged group sex assault victims that don’t have millions attached to it that has happened in North America in the last 5 years as well.

It is quite literally impossible in this country for a crime like this to be a “local matter” as criminal law is under federal jurisdiction

Please stop posting

 

[Three On Zero]

I honestly can't tell if you some of you are doing a "bit" or if you actually believe yourself.

Gif no work, just like me.....

 

[Canovin]

We have criminal charges. That’s enough to think that a crime may have occurred.

Didn't Johnny Depp also got charged on the 1st case? Until the 2nd case proved he was innocent. If I'm wrong here. Someone can correct me

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Didn't Johnny Depp also got charged on the 1st case? Until the 2nd case proved he was innocent. If I'm wrong here. Someone can correct me

He was sued in a civil action

 

[JIMVINNY]

OK, maybe I over reached. Here's the short version.

The guy I was responding to claimed that guys can be subjected to rape/sexual assault after drinking too much as well. I agreed that technically that is the case.

At the same time I can technically score a goal in an NHL game. The odds are extraordinarily low, but I am physically capable to putting a puck in the net.

Doesn't make me David Pastrnak though. i.e. One of these is not EVEN REMOTELY like the other.

Apologies in advance to the millions of men who are raped each year if I'm wrong on this. f*** me.

I think you're downplaying the likelihood of this happening. When I was in my late teens and early 20's, there was a girl who worked with the group of people I hung around with. Her nickname was "the predator" because she would sneak into the bedrooms of passed out guys and have sex with them. After it happened several times, we started watching out for each other and making sure she was never left alone with a passed-out buddy.

It makes me a little sick to my stomach, thinking about it now. Even her victims joked about it, but what happened was absolutely rape. And the only consequences she ever suffered was that no good guys would consider dating her.

 

[abax44]

OK, maybe I over reached. Here's the short version.

The guy I was responding to claimed that guys can be subjected to rape/sexual assault after drinking too much as well. I agreed that technically that is the case.

At the same time I can technically score a goal in an NHL game. The odds are extraordinarily low, but I am physically capable to putting a puck in the net.

Doesn't make me David Pastrnak though. i.e. One of these is not EVEN REMOTELY like the other.

Apologies in advance to the millions of men who are raped each year if I'm wrong on this. f*** me.

It isn't "technically the case." It is the case.
You "can't technically score a goal in the NHL" because you can't make the NHL.

Your analogy was dumb.

For the record, you can be sexually assaulted without being raped.

 

[BMOK33]

He was sued in a civil action

Civil cases are such a sham...the victim usually spends crazy amounts of cash and time and usually ends up never seeing a cent. I am also not a fan that at least here in the US a 7-5 verdict is enough in a civil case...I am not sure that unanimous is necessarily needed but would like to see the rules be at least 9-3.

 

[JIMVINNY]

If someone grudgingly "consents" while under duress/ in a compromising situation, did they consent?

How are you able to say that it was grudgingly? And then explain how these guys are supposed to know the difference.

 

[RooBicks]

Is this standard behaviour now? Am I just a prude?

I have to admit in my younger days it never even crossed my mind to try and get my buddies involved in "intimate times" with a woman. Let alone the way these guys allegedly went about it which, if true, constitutes a criminal act that also happens to be completely morally reprehensible.

It's been going on for decades in junior hockey and above, get out of here with this. Hell, for an NHL example, look no further than Stevens et al in a limo in the '80's. I guarantee you that, in today's climate, it's actually BETTER now than it was then.