Five members from Canada’s 2018 world junior team (Hart, McLeod, Dube, Foote and Formenton) told to surrender to police, facing sexual assault charges

[famicommander]

It was consensual. That's why the insurance paid it out. You're just kink shaming at this point.

If it were consensual there would be absolutely no reason for the insurance company to write the woman a check. That makes absolutely no sense.

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

And using your logic if I’m accused of murdering someone that I didn’t, but since im not found innocent but instead I’m found not guilty that doesn’t mean I’m actually innocent.

Not at all. People are simply pointing out that the judicial system does not find you innocent. It finds you guilty or not guilty. It makes no determination as to your innocence.

 

[Schennanigans]

You were speculating. Don't.

Why can’t we, what’s the point of the thread if you can’t talk about it.

 

[Leonardo87]

AP named the former 2018 Canada world junior players that have taken a leave of absence from their teams while noting that it's at the same time as a report that 5 players from that world junior team have been requested to surrender to police.

They're still not directly connecting the dots because it's not factual yet.

This right here.

This is why names cannot be named, it’s all speculation. I understand people are connecting the dots but it doesn’t matter, till it‘s officially reported.

 

[333359]

So they are turds before proven guilty? Exactly what my point was in the last post.

Edit: What if 2 or 3 of them will be guilty of said act, and 2 or 3 will be innocent, are they still all turds?

This has been going on for years and they have to interrupt their careers so I'm assuming they are all guilty. Whether some are acquitted or not is relevant to the court room and not my opinion. If I was on a jury I would let my opinion go and deal in facts.

 

[AlphaLackey]

I was just trying to clarify if in your post "victim" was used in regards to that possibility.

You know what? I owe you a measure of an apology. Your response was reasonable and asked for clarification, not a backhanded insinuation. I have fielded lots of those today, but I was in the wrong to judge your words based on a reaction to others.

To answer your question: I think it is very likely that one or more parties are guilty of the crime they are charged. As with all cases, charges are not brought lightly.

However, there is a non-zero, non-trivial chance that the accusation is false, and a similar chance that both parties got drunk and freaky and that double standards are factoring in.

The trial is a necessity. I remember how sure everyone was about the Duke Lacrosse case. Things can change in a minute once hard evidence enters view.

 

[CDN24]

Hey, I have a hot 10/10 blonde wife and I have the sex every single day. Just letting everybody know I have the sex. Thank you.

nowhere in this post does it say the hot blonde wife is involved in "the sex every single day"

 

[ERYX]

That's not correct in rape cases. Because there is so little evidence to go by, and the overwhelming majority of accusations are legit, the current system is set up to let a lot of rapists skate.

How do you know this? Are you able to travel through time and space and observe what really happened in every instance of a rape allegation?

 

[Vergil]

AP named the former 2018 Canada world junior players that have taken a leave of absence from their teams while noting that it's at the same time as a report that 5 players from that world junior team have been requested to surrender to police.

They're still not directly connecting the dots because it's not factual yet.

This must be how the GMs of each NHL team felt when they knew they were harboring these players...

 

[Melrose Munch]

Most people have done this.

They haven't. Most people have not done group sex. It's weird.

 

[The Kingslayer]

Not good. Not good.

 

[kook10]

Corey Perry be like

 

[kingsholygrail]

If it were consensual there would be absolutely no reason for the insurance company to write the woman a check. That makes absolutely no sense.

Because the activity was consensual. If you get hurt at your friend's house. Their homeowners insurance would write you a check for your medical bills, right? That doesn't mean your friend did something wrong. It's not an admission of guilt.

More specifically the selfie video she took of the morning after clearly showed she wasn't injured to the extend she claimed if she was injured at all. Go have a watch. If anything she should be pursued for fraud, but it's a strange world we live in.

 

[Imcanadianeh]

Not at all. People are simply pointing out that the judicial system does not find you innocent. It finds you guilty or not guilty. It makes no determination as to your innocence.

That’s because in the court of law you are innocent until proven guilty….it’s not hard to understand this. if you’re found to be not guilty that in turn maintains your innocence

 

[Bear of Bad News]

Why can’t we, what’s the point of the thread if you can’t talk about it.

See here:

Five members from Canada’s 2018 world junior team (Hart, McLeod, Dube, Foote and Formenton) told to surrender to police, facing sexual assault charges

Correction This is the correct answer.

forums.hfboards.com

(Including the part where I'm not going to argue with you about it,)

 

[PhysicalGraffiti]

Wait until you see all the posters who are secretly lawyers with an expertise in the law re: sexual assault, who last week were also experts in labor law re: the draft and the week prior to that were personal injury experts re: defamation.

Hahaha, it's one of my favorite things to read.

As an attorney, not criminal defense, I love a good debate as good as the next one. But generally my questions aimed at folks claiming knowledge or fact gets them upset and it goes sideways.

 

[Canada4Gold]

How long before the following happens

1. IIHF announces that Team Canada has been stripped of hosting all junior tournaments til 2030.

2. IIHF announces Team Canada has been banned from partipicating in the IIHF World juniors 2024 tournament.

3. Hockey Canada apologizes to the public for trying to silence victims and sweep this under the rug.

If all of this happened, it still would be a light punishment for Hockey Canada!

I wish Canada were banned from the 2024 tournament. It would have saved the embarrassment of whatever that QF game was, and some horrible roster decisions.

 

[Poppy Whoa Sonnet]

This thread is just making me very curious as to what lawsuits have been filed against this board previously.

 

[kingsholygrail]

Hahaha, it's one of my favorite things to read.

As an attorney, not criminal defense, I love a good debate as good as the next one. But generally my questions aimed at folks claiming knowledge or fact gets them upset and it goes sideways.

But as an attorney, aren't you supposed to refrain from speculating on a case you don't have access to the files on? You're in the same boat as the rest of us.

 

[rec28]

Also, retroactive consent is generally not a thing in Western democracies. For consent to be valid, it generally must be informed, specific, unambiguous, and freely given - and it must be granted at or before the time of the actions in question.

Edit - and, oh yeah, intoxicated "consent" isn't consent.

 

[gritdash60]

I need to stop commenting on this topic for real and just wait for the verdict, but what im going to say is: I dont think all 5 dudes will be convicted, and for those who will, i hope they never play professional hockey again and think about that for the rest of their lives.

The last thing im going to say is it's absolutely f***ing STUPID how lawsuits work in North America for me, for example the victim of this case got already paid 3million by Hockey Canada if the reporting is right. I dont understand these moneylawsuits at all from the perspective of a European dude.

For example, people sue other people or companies for millions of dollars every day in Murica, and get paid. HOW exactly is that fair is something i dont understand. You cant do that here in civilized world, i cant just randomly demand 17million from someone, i need to prove that i would have gotten said 17million without his actions. Ok im diving too deep, shit, good night.

 

[MeHateHe]

Is this the right thread for an argument


about what can be said in this thread?

 

[joestevens29]

This thread is just making me very curious as to what lawsuits have been filed against this board previously.

If I don't see a meme soon I might file one

 

[ArGarBarGar]

That’s because in the court of law you are innocent until proven guilty….it’s not hard to understand this. if you’re found to be not guilty that in turn maintains your innocence

It simply maintains that it cannot be proven beyond a reasonable doubt that the person in question is guilty of the crime in question. Innocence is not established or explicitly declared in a criminal trial because that isn't the point of a criminal trial.

 

[AlphaLackey]

They haven't. Most people have not done group sex. It's weird.

Group sex? I was talking about being woken up by sex / sexy times. I think I see our confusion.