Five members from Canada’s 2018 world junior team (Hart, McLeod, Dube, Foote and Formenton) told to surrender to police, facing sexual assault charges

[1909]

Finally, there is some movement in that story. Let's wait for the rest.

 

[Seanaconda]

"Change your objectively innocent behaviour." Oh yeah, that's definitely what I said. Going into a room with four other dudes and participating in festivities with a drunk girl definitely constitutes as innocent behaviour.

I guess there will always be mooks that will support this kind of philosophy.

Hmmm what you worded could be innocent behavior tho.

Just keep it at concent not kink shaming

 

[AlphaLackey]

"Change your objectively innocent behaviour." Oh yeah, that's definitely what I said. Going into a room with four other dudes and participating in festivities with a drunk girl definitely constitutes as innocent behaviour.

I guess there will always be mooks that will support this kind of philosophy.

Legally innocent. Sorry that's not clear. True or false: it is against the law to have consenting sex with a woman?

 

[kevsh]

While I find it gross and strange that 5 guys want to be in a room together in a situation like that

Having traveled to a number of tournaments as a teen (high school hockey) I can speak from some experience on the circumstances on how this happens. Girls would show up at the games to meet players. The players would often see them hanging out afterwards in the lobby, chat them up, then invite them to come to their hotel/motel that night.

In most cases two girls would go to the hotel together (players would grab a stack of business cards from the hotel and write their room number on them). Typically four players were staying together in each room. So, the math is simple: Four guys &, two girls in a room together. Booze is always on hand, drugs too. There's really no place else to go as no one had a car, and it's winter so outside isn't an option. And well, one thing leads to another and ...

Personally, I did not partake in anything with others around but other teammates did and there were stories. A few times I was in a room when the girls showed up and heard about it later. The girls seemed to know what was up and were okay with it, but I'm certain in all the hockey tournaments, all the junior teams traveling around the province/country, overseas, etc. there were clearly cases where the line was crossed.

Apparently 9 out-of-court settlements by Hockey Canada since 1989 totaling $7.6 million, which suggests there were probably (a guess) 5 times that that didn't get reported.

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

In my view, censoring someone who is challenging the illusion = propagating the illusion.

I don't recall if you were actually part of that mob so I hope you don't take this personally.

Honestly I'm not sure what you're referring to regarding the illusion so I'm not sure if I was part of what you consider that mob or not.

 

[abax44]

Man oh man, I can't even imagine having known someone who did things on that scale. But even though you only had a tangential relationship to him, I'm sure it kinda rattled you a bit, right?

I was part of a community of advantage players in Calgary growing up. Thought I was gonna be a blackjack sharp / poker pro for a living. This was the local legend in both regards. Finished second to him at a blackjack tournament once and my wife (who I was dating at the time) said my face lit up when we shook hands. When I moved on to doing statistical analysis for casinos and casino games, I would help him analyze opportunities now and then completely on the house, still a star struck young man in his 20s.

And now he's just somebody that I used to know.

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"If you don't want to be the victim of Crime X, change your objectively innocent behaviour" is victim blaming 101.

I was shocked in that he seemed like such a nice guy, but you got the feeling he definitely craved being in control/having power.

Your story would hit harder because you were tighter with the person involved. I also went to school with Thomas McEvoy. Again, wasn't close to him, but this one hit harder because this guy was the quietest guy ever. I had another friend who worked at the Remand Centre and was friends with Tomy in school. He said he was the most maniulative person he ever met.

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[AlphaLackey]

I'm speculating here, but I sense you arguing that the men are the victims of a false accusation.

I have made no assertion whatsoever about whether or not I think they are the victims of a false accusation, nor am I going to. If you'd like to question something I did say on a position I did hold, then by all means, I'm here for a chat.

 

[93LEAFS]

Most of the players on that Canada team were either 18 or 19 in June of 2018.

All of them were. It happened in 2018 and the latest birthday on the team I believe was Formenton, who was already 18 at the time of the World Juniors that year. Canada didn't take a single player under the age of 18 that year.

 

[42]

Actually they (whoever they are) are about to be charged with rape. These are no longer just allegations.

And while being charged certainly doesn't confirm guilt, it is news/discussion worthy.

Being charged does not mean you're guilty. The prosecution still needs to prove their case in court so the charges are still allegations until proven in a court of law.

I was referring to the posts that take the trial outcome as a foregone conclusion, not that we should not discuss the subject at all.

 

[Aoko]

Legally innocent. Sorry that's not clear. True or false: it is against the law to have consenting sex with a woman?

If the legality of the consent is legitimate. Taking a camera and filming someone's consent isn't always liable. Is that true or false or are you siding with the accused rapists?

 

[NotASheep]

I WANT NAMES!

yeah right--you are just looking for trouble.

If you want names without mentioning names? You might want to update your fantasy leagues as there are 5 guys with NA listed beside their names now.

We all know the names and in one case, we can see the defence he is planning--if you seriously can not figure out the names at this moment--I have question your deductive reasoning skill

 

[AlphaLackey]

If the legality of the consent is legitimate. Taking a camera and filming someone's consent isn't always liable. Is that true or false or are you siding with the accused rapists?

"siding with" has no context with any thing I've said to you, so there is no answer. "If you don't want to be the victim of a crime, don't engage in legal behaviour X" is victim blaming 101, and that's where we're at.

 

[AslanRH]

I have made no assertion whatsoever about whether or not I think they are the victims of a false accusation, nor am I going to. If you'd like to question something I did say on a position I did hold, then by all means, I'm here for a chat.

I was just trying to clarify if in your post "victim" was used in regards to that possibility.

 

[Profet]

yeah right--you are just looking for trouble.

If you want names without mentioning names? You might want to update your fantasy leagues as there are 5 guys with NA listed beside their names now.

We all know the names and in one case, we can see the defence he is planning--if you seriously can not figure out the names at this moment--I have question your deductive reasoning skill

I mean... i don't want to speculate...

But ESPN certainly has no problem with speculating. See an earlier post for THEIR speculation.

 

[tarheelhockey]

How many times in your life after having sex have you felt compelled to pull out a camera and ask the person you had sex with to confirm their consent?

Don't you think it's a bit of a weird impulse? It would absolutely never occur to me to do a thing like that because there has never been even the most minuscule doubt about consent.

That’s a weird impulse for one ordinary guy having sex with one ordinary woman. It’s not a weird impulse in the context of well-known athletes having group sex with one woman.

These videos sound like a D-lister’s version of celebrities making their sex partners sign NDAs.
The context in which the videos are surfacing kind of demonstrates the rationale behind them.

 

[Bear of Bad News]

I WANT NAMES!

 

[Pavels Dog]

Have you considered that when it comes to the law, how it's written can be a far bigger concern than what they were going for, and that if the consequence of how a law is written that it criminalizes reams of innocent people, then the law is written poorly?

If it's still not clear how "how it's written" can be more important than "what they were going for", let me ask you two questions:

How is it criminalizing anyone unless charges are filed (thereby refuting the idea that it’s an ”ordinary marriage”)? I repeat that if you’re worried your spouse will go to the cops because of the wording of that law you have issues you should seek help for.

 

[Petey O]

Bold assumption thinking this applies to many people here

Hey, I have a hot 10/10 blonde wife and I have the sex every single day. Just letting everybody know I have the sex. Thank you.

 

[NotASheep]

I mean... i don't want to speculate...

But ESPN certainly has no problem with speculating. See an earlier post for THEIR speculation.

we do not have to speculate. We have the names. We just not name them until they do the walk of shame into the police station. 3 of the 5 names have been out there for awhile

 

[LemonSauceD]

I’m seeing all these moderators down below that I’ve never ever seen once on this forum that are in this thread presumably monitoring it lmao

 

[Profet]

Hey, I have a hot 10/10 blonde wife and I have the sex every single day. Just letting everybody know I have the sex. Thank you.

Temu is selling "hot 10/10 blonde wife" now?

 

[AlphaLackey]

How is it criminalizing anyone unless charges are filed (thereby refuting the idea that it’s an ”ordinary marriage”)? I repeat that if you’re worried your spouse will go to the cops because of the wording of that law you have issues you should seek help for.

You are completely telling on yourself with your assumption that it is me concerned about what I have done and not what I have done to me.

Be that as it may, if there is a law X saying "Behaviour Y is a criminal act", then law X is criminalizing Behaviour Y; and if any position here is a red flag, I'd say that whole "it's not a crime unless you get caught" mindset

 

[sepster]

Honestly I'm not sure what you're referring to regarding the illusion so I'm not sure if I was part of what you consider that mob or not.

I have never considered you to look mob-y

 

[AlphaLackey]

How is it criminalizing anyone unless charges are filed (thereby refuting the idea that it’s an ”ordinary marriage”)? I repeat that if you’re worried your spouse will go to the cops because of the wording of that law you have issues you should seek help for.

Now, since you seem to think there's no difference between the law's intent and how the law is written, would you like to go back and answer my questions about Nebraska's 2008 Safe Haven Law? I promise you it's a doozy.

 

[LemonSauceD]

How is it criminalizing anyone unless charges are filed (thereby refuting the idea that it’s an ”ordinary marriage”)? I repeat that if you’re worried your spouse will go to the cops because of the wording of that law you have issues you should seek help for.

I don’t think it’s necessary to say that last sentence. It’s a genuine question to consider due to the fact that it is lawful in other places to have pre existing consent especially in a marriage. Today’s also the first time I’ve learned pre existing consent in Canada is actually not a thing.