Five members from Canada’s 2018 world junior team (Hart, McLeod, Dube, Foote and Formenton) told to surrender to police, facing sexual assault charges

[Pavels Dog]

How many otherwise ordinary married Canadian couples does this criminalize for activity they are both ostensibly consenting to?

Have you considered that laws like that are written to protect victims, not to ”criminalize” normal, happy marriage behaviour?

 

[Kane One]

can we having a running tab of how many posts get deleted for this thread?

33 for just the first 3 pages. Thankfully I’m not assigned here. RIP other mods.

 

[Bear of Bad News]

can we having a running tab of how many posts get deleted for this thread?

 

[AlphaLackey]

This guy was my instructor at a by-law enforcement course I did. It didn't bother me to find out what he was, but I was never close to him. Super nice guy, though (to me).

Michael Sandham - Wikipedia

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Man oh man, I can't even imagine having known someone who did things on that scale. But even though you only had a tangential relationship to him, I'm sure it kinda rattled you a bit, right?

I was part of a community of advantage players in Calgary growing up. Thought I was gonna be a blackjack sharp / poker pro for a living. This was the local legend in both regards. Finished second to him at a blackjack tournament once and my wife (who I was dating at the time) said my face lit up when we shook hands. When I moved on to doing statistical analysis for casinos and casino games, I would help him analyze opportunities now and then completely on the house, still a star struck young man in his 20s.

And now he's just somebody that I used to know.

Calgary murder trial hears international blackjack card counters had ’complex’ relationship | RCI

Vida Smith was last seen on July 21, 2020, but her body has never been found

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If you think what I said is victim blaming, you need to be educated.

"If you don't want to be the victim of Crime X, change your objectively innocent behaviour" is victim blaming 101.

 

[sepster]

Have you considered that laws like that are written to protect victims, not to ”criminalize” normal, happy marriage behaviour?

And, I assume, you understand that many laws, especially poorly contrived ones, have unintended and severe consequences.

 

[Pavels Dog]

And, I assume, you understand that many laws, especially poorly contrived ones, have unintended and severe consequences.

If you are scared your partner will file charges against you because of laws like that, please seek help.

 

[FunkySeeFunkyDo]

I WANT NAMES!

 

[Seanaconda]

Is this a blow off thread at this point ? Or whatever cuz what is there to talk about we can't speculate

 

[Sasha Orlov]

I just finished Ron Chernow's book "Grant". I'm confident that I could have led the Union Armies.

Guy on Pawn Stars says “let me phone a buddy who’s an expert on this” and I walk in every single time

 

[mr figgles]

How many times in your life after having sex have you felt compelled to pull out a camera and ask the person you had sex with to confirm their consent?

Don't you think it's a bit of a weird impulse? It would absolutely never occur to me to do a thing like that because there has never been even the most minuscule doubt about consent.

And, not once, but twice.

 

[Lions67]

If we can’t talk about it then close the thread.
There is certainly no “hockey talk “ happening here.

 

[Ted Hoffman]

"If you don't want to be the victim of Crime X, change your objectively innocent behaviour" is victim blaming 101.

Go back and re-read that. Alan was pointing the finger at the guys involved.

 

[Bear of Bad News]

If we can’t talk about it then close the thread.
There is certainly no “hockey talk “ happening here.

Once again for those in the back, it's okay to skip threads if you think they aren't valuable.

We changed that rule during the pandemic.

 

[AlphaLackey]

Have you considered that laws like that are written to protect victims, not to ”criminalize” normal, happy marriage behaviour?

Have you considered that when it comes to the law, how it's written can be a far bigger concern than what they were going for, and that if the consequence of how a law is written that it criminalizes reams of innocent people, then the law is written poorly?

If it's still not clear how "how it's written" can be more important than "what they were going for", let me ask you two questions:

> What was the intent of Nebraska's 2008 Safe Haven law (re: amnesty for child abandonment) and
> What was the consequence of how that law was written?

 

[Blitzkrug]

Once again for those in the back, it's okay to skip threads if you think they aren't valuable.

We changed that rule during the pandemic.

Most of this board isn't valuable but that doesn't stop you from acting like it is.

Shithole site.

 

[Mark Stones Spleen]

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You should be getting paid for today

 

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Shouldn't we wait first to see the outcome of the trial before reaching conclusions? At this point, they are alleged to have raped; the allegations still need to be proven in court.

 

[The Grim Reaper]

Is this a blow off thread at this point ? Or whatever cuz what is there to talk about we can't speculate

It's this:

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Most of this board isn't valuable but that doesn't stop you from acting like it is.

Shithole site.

25k posts btw

 

[AslanRH]

"If you don't want to be the victim of Crime X, change your objectively innocent behaviour" is victim blaming 101.

I'm speculating here, but I sense you arguing that the men are the victims of a false accusation.

 

[Vergil]

"If you don't want to be the victim of Crime X, change your objectively innocent behaviour" is victim blaming 101.

"Change your objectively innocent behaviour." Oh yeah, that's definitely what I said. Going into a room with four other dudes and participating in festivities with a drunk girl definitely constitutes as innocent behaviour.

I guess there will always be mooks that will support this kind of philosophy.

 

[Mark Stones Spleen]

How many times in your life after having sex have you felt compelled to pull out a camera and ask the person you had sex with to confirm their consent?

Don't you think it's a bit of a weird impulse? It would absolutely never occur to me to do a thing like that because there has never been even the most minuscule doubt about consent.

Bold assumption thinking this applies to many people here

 

[AlphaLackey]

And, not once, but twice.

If you believe that false accusations are a statistically greater threat than they actually are, and you're aware of the gender biases in these cases, you do it every time. And in this day and age where 'enthusiastic consent' is a thing taught, it makes even more sense.

All it takes is one story where hard evidence saves someone your age or in your position from false accusations of sexual assault, and the seeds are planted.

 

[Profet]

Shouldn't we wait first to see the outcome of the trial before reaching conclusions? At this point, they are alleged to have raped; the allegations still need to be proven in court.

Actually they (whoever they are) are about to be charged. These are no longer just allegations.

And while being charged certainly doesn't confirm guilt, it is news/discussion worthy.

 

[hairylikebear]

I don't think anyone is really arguing the world is a safe place. But I don't see how monday morning quarterbacking what the victim could have done different is particularly helpful.

If you go to a gas station and get shot by someone trying to rob the place, the obvious answer is if only you hadn't gone to that gas station you wouldn't have been shot.

And again, it's the one-sided nature of the conversation. There's a lesson about alcohol, and what constitutes consent for everyone involved in this incident.

In my view, censoring someone who is challenging the illusion = propagating the illusion.

I don't recall if you were actually part of that mob so I hope you don't take this personally.