Five members from Canada’s 2018 world junior team (Hart, McLeod, Dube, Foote and Formenton) told to surrender to police, facing sexual assault charges

[red devil]

I feel there are some considerations we all might want to think about.

1). She’s already got a financial payout from Hockey Canada.
2). She is filing legal charges (perhaps not correct legal terminology) against the players.
3). She has not, as yet, filed any civil charges that we know of. I.e. Not, at this point, going for any sort of money claim.

Meanwhile she’s going to go through hell and I’m sure is aware that while this plays out over the next many many months she’ll continue to. Ultimately going to have to testify to some pretty gruesome stuff. This is going to rule her life. Considering it’s already been 5 years of unpleasantness for her, why is she doing this?

Because she believes she was badly wronged and wants the people she thinks wronged her to face justice.

For those who bring up false claims, ask yourself — would YOU put yourself through this if you were trying to pull a false claim? I sure as hell wouldn’t.

Maybe she’s right, maybe she’s wrong. But let’s at least give her the benefit of the doubt. The police and legal authorities have enough evidence to feel her claims have enough merit to arrest people.

Again, guilty or not guilty? Who knows. But can we dispense with the false claims avenue for now? At least in this case, few would be gluttons for that much pain. She believes she was wronged. Clearly.

She filed a civil lawsuit against Hockey Canada, the CHL and 8 players in April 2022 and it Hockey Canada paid out a legal settlement on behalf of all the defendants.

April 2022​

The victim filed her statement of claim with the Ontario Superior Court of Justice, seeking $3.55 million in damages from Hockey Canada, the Canadian Hockey League and eight players "including but not limited to members of the Canada U20 Men's Junior Hockey Team from the 2018 World Junior team."

Hockey Canada sexual assault case: Timeline of developments, what comes next

Five members of Canada's 2018 world junior team (four NHL players, one former NHL player) have been charged. Here's an update on what we know.

www.espn.com

 

[GeoRox89]

Now what possible reason would victims have for blaming themselves?
Might it just have something to do with people always blaming the victim?

That’s certainly a potential factor but self-blame by victims of any kind of abuse or assault is a really common experience and complicated reaction. Rape in particular is an incredibly traumatic disempowering experience where someone takes your control away. Even though rape is never the victim’s fault and even victim’s usually understand that in a theoretical sense, feeling like all your power has been taken away can cause you to try to regain a sense of control by blaming yourself for certain behaviours that you think contributed. To a traumatized person’s brain, avoiding those things and being at fault means I can keep myself safe from this happening again as long as I do x/y/z (even if/when that happens to be completely untrue)

It’s really common in DV and child abuse situations too. Very few people blame a child for their abuse (and only some really messed up people would) but that doesn’t stop abused kids from coming up with all sorts of things they should be have done or how to not upset their abuser or how to achieve some impossible standard that doesn’t exist to stop the abuse from continuing

Victim blaming is wrong but even if we completely eliminated it from society, many abuse/assault victims are still likely to blame themselves especially in the immediate aftermath while they try to regain their sense of safety and control

 

[OG Eberle]

This been proven? Or is that just the assumption right now? Not disagreeing, just a question.

They (a reporter asking the question) said in the press conference that it was related to aiding and abetting. But when pressed for clarity, the police stated that it was an ongoing case and couldn't release specifics.

So I guess it's as confirmed as it can be at this point? Lot's can happen and change between now and a trial.

 

[Koivu11]

 

[Larry44]

Had a feeling this would happen.

 

[Larry44]

The 2018 team is suspended from international play.

I'm sure that will be rescinded to allow players not involved in the London incident to be eligible. Let's face it, they aren't leaving Makar off Team Canada's roster, esp. after losing one of their potential goalies.

 

[MXD]

Is it cap relief for a replacement player or cap relief no strings attached?

I'm sure that will be rescinded to allow players not involved in the London incident to be eligible. Let's face it, they aren't leaving Makar off Team Canada's roster, esp. after losing one of their potential goalies.

The decision follows the appeal process, but... I mean, is there even a point to that appeal now?

 

[Number8]

She filed a civil lawsuit against Hockey Canada, the CHL and 8 players in April 2022 and it Hockey Canada paid out a legal settlement on behalf of all the defendants.

April 2022​

The victim filed her statement of claim with the Ontario Superior Court of Justice, seeking $3.55 million in damages from Hockey Canada, the Canadian Hockey League and eight players "including but not limited to members of the Canada U20 Men's Junior Hockey Team from the 2018 World Junior team."

Hockey Canada sexual assault case: Timeline of developments, what comes next

Five members of Canada's 2018 world junior team (four NHL players, one former NHL player) have been charged. Here's an update on what we know.

www.espn.com

Thanks to you and @Yukon Joe for the clarification, i didn’t realize that was the case.

My point still stands for the “false claim” advocates. She’s cooperating still - 5 long years later. She isn’t doing that because she wants to just screw people over. She believes.

Also, I would bet that for the small amount of false claims, they would usually be for people who have prior relationships of some kind. Kind of like divorces that get really nasty. If she was up for what went down with a group of strangers, hard to believe she’d go to police the very next day. And before people say “yeah, but she was embarrassed and tried to cover her tracks“ I say …. Come on get real.

Again, clearly she believes — or at this point she wouldn’t be cooperating and would just move somewhere and try to start her life anew.

 

[Slapshot_11]

Any chance we find out who the old guy was who told the girl to take care of them

 

[Canovin]

So the rich get richer

 

[DJJones]

Nice, that helps the Flames out even if its just a bit.

 

[I am toxic]

Any chance we find out who the old guy was who told the girl to take care of them

Is 34 years old "old"?

Eff me.

 

[Yukon Joe]

Thanks to you and @Yukon Joe for the clarification, i didn’t realize that was the case.

My point still stands for the “false claim” advocates. She’s cooperating still - 5 long years later. She isn’t doing that because she wants to just screw people over. She believes.

Also, I would bet that for the small amount of false claims, they would usually be for people who have prior relationships of some kind. Kind of like divorces that get really nasty. If she was up for what went down with a group of strangers, hard to believe she’d go to police the very next day. And before people say “yeah, but she was embarrassed and tried to cover her tracks“ I say …. Come on get real.

Again, clearly she believes — or at this point she wouldn’t be cooperating and would just move somewhere and try to start her life anew.

OK, I want to be careful about the "well why would someone do this" kind of reasoning.

Because it can work both ways - "why would someone make up a false allegation - she must be telling the truth!". Because there's also "these are successful and famous hockey players who have women draped all over them. They don't need to rape anyone - they must be innocent!".

The truth is people do all kinds of strange things for very strange reasons.

The only thing we can do is follow the evidence, wherever it might lead.

 

[theVladiator]

I feel there are some considerations we all might want to think about.

1). She’s already got a financial payout from Hockey Canada.
2). She is filing legal charges (perhaps not correct legal terminology) against the players.
3). She has not, as yet, filed any civil charges that we know of. I.e. Not, at this point, going for any sort of money claim.

Just some clarification on the timeline. I believe this does not affect the main point you are making.

1). In 2018, the victim immediately went to the police and reported what happened. However, the police investigation was soon abandoned without any charges.
2). In 2022, the victim filed a civil case against HC and the players for 3M that was settled out of court.
3). The uproar around the slush fund coverup of the civil case led to scrutiny of substance of the civil case, and subsequent release of the civil case complaint details. That civil case information, in turn, led to questions over reasons for the police to abandon the case in the first place. The police investigation was reopened.
4) The re-opened investigation led to the criminal sexual assault charges against the 5 players.

 

[Slapshot_11]

Is 34 years old "old"?

Eff me.

I don't really know the specifics in this case, i just come in and check this thread from time to time and saw something about a older person

 

[SmytheKing]

Just some clarification on the timeline. I believe this does not affect the main point you are making.

1). In 2018, the victim immediately went to the police and reported what happened. However, the police investigation was soon abandoned without any charges.
2). In 2022, the victim filed a civil case against HC and the players for 3M that was settled out of court.
3). The uproar around the slush fund coverup of the civil case led to scrutiny of substance of the civil case, and subsequent release of the civil case complaint details. That civil case information, in turn, led to questions over reasons for the police to abandon the case in the first place. The police investigation was reopened.
4) The re-opened investigation led to the criminal sexual assault charges against the 5 players.

Not sure if you know the answer, and it's probably been posted in here but I have no idea where, but do we know when the police closed the case? Was it a couple of months after the victim went to them or a few years?

 

[Yukon Joe]

Not sure if you know the answer, and it's probably been posted in here but I have no idea where, but do we know when the police closed the case? Was it a couple of months after the victim went to them or a few years?

I believe we've heard 2019 reported.

 

[ItWasJustified]

facilitated

enabled

These choices of words just makes you think that he was the only conscious person and every other persons involved were a bunch of vegetables without their own will.

 

[I am toxic]

I don't really know the specifics in this case, i just come in and check this thread from time to time and saw something about a older person

Knock yourself out.

 

[VivaLasVegas]

If you'll permit me to read the tea leaves here... when it comes time for trial defence is going to file a Charter notice, which means asking for relief under the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. They're going to ask for a judicial stay of proceedings, alleging their client's rights to a fair trial have been compromised. In particular they're going to allege an abuse of process by the police. In particular that because of police mismanagement of their investigation the charges are being filed 6 years late, and that because of the delay their ability to mount full answer and defence has been impaired.

Merely noting that the defendants would presumably have to assert this defense, which they might not want to do since a jury acquittal would possibly give them a chance of reviving their NHL careers, whereas a procedural dismissal might leave them as undesirables that no NHL team will sign.

 

[red devil]

Not sure if you know the answer, and it's probably been posted in here but I have no idea where, but do we know when the police closed the case? Was it a couple of months after the victim went to them or a few years?

February 2019

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

I'm curious how many people in here still think Trevor Bauer is guilty of sexual assault?

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

I'm curious how many people in here still think Trevor Bauer is guilty of sexual assault?

Embarrassing

 

[Gregor Samsa]

These choices of words just makes you think that he was the only conscious person and every other persons involved were a bunch of vegetables without their own will.

No one is absolving or condoning the other players but this incident doesn’t take place without player 1

 

[McSpecial DraiBlend]

Is 34 years old "old"?

Eff me.

Nike rep.