Five members from Canada’s 2018 world junior team (Hart, McLeod, Dube, Foote and Formenton) told to surrender to police, facing sexual assault charges

[Lshap]

I should rephrase. I mean the bystanders shouldn't get to hide.

Frankly, I don't see why we need to know anyone's names at this point. We're so addicted to information that we've fooled ourselves into believing we 'need' to know. Honestly, we're nothing but voyeurs. How does outing anyone help the case? Our gossip doesn't help justice, nor does it help the victim. So what are we really doing here? Do we actually believe we're striking a blow for morality by haranguing people online?

Sorry if I'm taking this out on you. Lol... you had the bad luck to trigger a thought that led to a lecture. At the end of this case, I expect justice to punish the guilty, despite the billion peeping-toms acting as a self-appointed jury.

 

[GQS]

That didn't happen, but is also off-topic.

That 100% did happen because his accuser couldn't provide any real evidence and refused co-operate with the investigation while Hardwick DID provide evidence in the form of texts between him and his ex where he broke up with her after finding out she was seeing someone else and she wanted to get back together with him.

Hardwick was 100% cleared otherwise there's zero chance that AMC and NBC would take him back if he wasn't especially at the height of the #metoo movement.

 

[Edgelord]

That truly sucks for Chris Hardwick and Aziz Ansari it's really unfortunate what happened to them.
Chris Hardwick lost his job for 6 weeks while an investigation was done and he was cleared, June 14 2018-July 28 2018
EM and the 2018 WJC team incident happened 3 days later June 17, and we are just now having this conversation.

I wonder what changed, did someone come forward with testimony, or was new electronic evidence found.
I hope its not a case of them not doing their job and later someone was going over the files and saw that they dropped the ball.

 

[mr figgles]

Sounds like witness/victim statements.

Let’s see what the lawyers say after they get all of it.

Probably a whole bunch of lawyery stuff that isn’t worth listening to

 

[Lshap]

Does it really though? Maybe if you want to file an official report to police or something, but in this day and age all you really need to do is go online and make a post to social media and whoever is your target their life could be turned upside down in an instant.

Just look at Chris Hardwick who had broken up with her ex-gf and then several years later she went online and made a post that implied that he was abusive to her when they were together. Immediately Hardwick was pulled by AMC from his Talking Dead gig where he was host and a website he created completely scrubbed any mention of him. It took over a month before Hardwick was completely cleared and his career could be resumed and STILL some of the staff of the Talking Dead quit anyways in protest and in support of the supposed victim who refused to provide any evidence or testimony to the people who were investigating these allegations.

In the end Hardwick's life was turned upside down by a person he had broken up with several years prior and all it took was for his ex to make a online post about her supposedly being a victim of domestic abuse and she faced zero consequences from all this. The point is if you want to mess with someone with false allegations to screw them up its really easy to do so these days and whether or not they're true doesn't matter when your target now has to deal with the bomb you just dropped into their lap.

I was referring to accusations that go through the legal channel. No question, online crap is a whole other issue that can be misused in a variety of evil ways. Ironically, I just posted my thoughts about that above.

 

[GQS]

... None of this amounts to rape (as far as I know from the case), and none of this amounted to an actual charge.

I was responding to where the other person said that its difficult to fabricate false accusations of abuse/rape and I'm saying it really isn't.

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

That 100% did happen because his accuser couldn't provide any real evidence and refused co-operate with the investigation while Hardwick DID provide evidence in the form of texts between him and his ex where he broke up with her after finding out she was seeing someone else and she wanted to get back together with him.

Hardwick was 100% cleared otherwise there's zero chance that AMC and NBC would take him back if he wasn't especially at the height of the #metoo movement.

Holy distraction tactic. Chris Hardwick being accused on twitter of abuse by his ex has nothing to do with the sexual assault charges in this case brought by police after a lengthy investigation. Neither does Aziz Ansari.

 

[Edgelord]

I was responding to where the other person said that its difficult to fabricate false accusations of abuse/rape and I'm saying it really isn't.

while I agree, this case doesn't seem to fit that avenue what so ever.
Just the fact they felt the need to make those videos implies they were concerned.

 

[Yukon Joe]

I wonder what changed, did someone come forward with testimony, or was new electronic evidence found.
I hope its not a case of them not doing their job and later someone was going over the files and saw that they dropped the ball.

This at least we do know.

The victim sued.

Ultimately Hockey Canada settled. At that point London Police re-opened their investigation, which then led to today's charges. And yes - by virtue of the fact LPS initially closed their file, yet are now laying charges, they're implicitly admitting they dropped the ball back in 2018.

I was responding to where the other person said that its difficult to fabricate false accusations of abuse/rape and I'm saying it really isn't.

Theoretically, would it be easy to fabricate a rape allegation? Sure - at least in a situation where you had consensual sex. There were almost certainly no witnesses, the sex act wasn't recorded - all you'd have to say is that you didn't consent.

How often does that happen? Well that's much more difficult to say.

 

[AzHawk]

Hardwick was 100% cleared

Again, this misrepresentation. A firm did a risk assessment of him for the television network and recommended his continued employment after failing to confirm the allegations, without ever talking to her (her choice, yes).

 

[Ezekial]

I wonder what changed, did someone come forward with testimony, or was new electronic evidence found.
I hope its not a case of them not doing their job and later someone was going over the files and saw that they dropped the ball.

What changed? Nothing. It was extremely public and not going away.

They dropped the ball the first time, probably on purpose though I can't say that for sure.

 

[Edgelord]

What changed? Nothing. It was extremely public and not going away.

They dropped the ball the first time, probably on purpose though I can't say that for sure.

To delve a lil deeper, I wonder if we see the same thing in other areas, do soccer players get away with stuff in Brazil?

 

[VivaLasVegas]

This at least we do know.

The victim sued.

Ultimately Hockey Canada settled. At that point London Police re-opened their investigation, which then led to today's charges. And yes - by virtue of the fact LPS initially closed their file, yet are now laying charges, they're implicitly admitting they dropped the ball back in 2018.



Theoretically, would it be easy to fabricate a rape allegation? Sure - at least in a situation where you had consensual sex. There were almost certainly no witnesses, the sex act wasn't recorded - all you'd have to say is that you didn't consent.

How often does that happen? Well that's much more difficult to say.

There is also situation where the witness fails to cooperate for whatever reason, but there are third-party witnesses who come forward. Sort of sounds like such might be the case here, but why speculate since we'll presumably know more shortly.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

I wonder what changed, did someone come forward with testimony, or was new electronic evidence found.
I hope its not a case of them not doing their job and later someone was going over the files and saw that they dropped the ball.

I mean it's pretty clear that London Police dropped the ball the first time and did a piss poor attempt at an investigation, but when the news broke and it became national headlines, they finally actually did their job.

I forget what specific report, but there was one done that found London Police didn't even do the most basic of investigations when this type of allegation is brought to them.

 

[MXD]

I was responding to where the other person said that its difficult to fabricate false accusations of abuse/rape and I'm saying it really isn't.

I mean... You can think it was a good retort. Free speech and all.

 

[RickyLafleur]

I mean it's pretty clear that London Police dropped the ball the first time and did a piss poor attempt at an investigation, but when the news broke and it became national headlines, they finally actually did their job.

I forget what specific report, but there was one done that found London Police didn't even do the most basic of investigations when this type of allegation is brought to them.

Go figure police don't do their jobs unless its in the news and there is immense public pressure

 

[Yukon Joe]

There is also situation where the witness fails to cooperate for whatever reason, but there is are third-party witnesses who come forward. Sort of sounds like such might be the case here, but why speculate since we'll presumably know more shortly.

I can almost guarantee that London Police and the Crown Prosecutors will not outline their case for the media today.

We might find out more about what led us to charges being laid today, and what the process from here will be, but not much more.

 

[Yukon Joe]

To delve a lil deeper, I wonder if we see the same thing in other areas, do soccer players get away with stuff in Brazil?

I mean I know nothing about the Brazilian justice system, and only a little about Brazilian soccer (Go EC Bahia!), but almost certainly - because it's part of human nature.

Pro sports players are very high status individuals. High status people will always be given preferential treatment in almost all walks of life.

 

[TheDawnOfANewTage]

I mean it's pretty clear that London Police dropped the ball the first time and did a piss poor attempt at an investigation, but when the news broke and it became national headlines, they finally actually did their job.

I forget what specific report, but there was one done that found London Police didn't even do the most basic of investigations when this type of allegation is brought to them.

Police had Andrew Tate on voicemail admitting to rape- they told the woman to really think about whether that was enough, basically scared her and convinced her to make a report, but not to pursue a criminal case. It’s basically a complaint, they returned to it when he got accused of more of the same. Then he went to Romania. Totally innocent guy until proven otherwise, but I’ve heard the voicemail. Those police on that case disgust me.

Just an example of how it works sometimes. It’s still a whole case they gotta pursue, easier to tell the victim a voicemail alone doesn’t necessarily work.

 

[Edgelord]

I mean I know nothing about the Brazilian justice system, and only a little about Brazilian soccer (Go EC Bahia!), but almost certainly - because it's part of human nature.

Pro sports players are very high status individuals. High status people will always be given preferential treatment in almost all walks of life.

That then implies that the debate re hockey culture is actually a deeper debate about human nature and power.

 

[Profet]

TSN seems to have the live stream behind their subscriber login.

I thought they were saying it wouldn't be?

 

[RickyLafleur]

TSN seems to have the live stream behind their subscriber login.

I thought they were saying it wouldn't be?

Another lie from big business

 

[red devil]

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

well maybe no geo block on the TSN coverage but if you arent a paying customer its a no go.

 

[Yukon Joe]

That then implies that the debate re hockey culture is actually a deeper debate about human nature and power.

Yes and no.

Giving benefits to high status individuals is a human problem.

That hockey has a problem with misogyny and sexual abuse is a hockey problem.