Five members from Canada’s 2018 world junior team (Hart, McLeod, Dube, Foote and Formenton) told to surrender to police, facing sexual assault charges

[theVladiator]

Frankly, I don't see why we need to know anyone's names at this point. We're so addicted to information that we've fooled ourselves into believing we 'need' to know. Honestly, we're nothing but voyeurs. How does outing anyone help the case? Our gossip doesn't help justice, nor does it help the victim. So what are we really doing here? Do we actually believe we're striking a blow for morality by haranguing people online?

Sorry if I'm taking this out on you. Lol... you had the bad luck to trigger a thought that led to a lecture. At the end of this case, I expect justice to punish the guilty, despite the billion peeping-toms acting as a self-appointed jury.

I am not sure we need the names, but the rest of your rant I think is off base. Where you see peeping toms and self-appointed jury, I see a much needed, and clearly overdue, public scrutiny and oversight of public institutions.

The case outrages the public for many reasons, not the least of which is attempted coverup of the allegations. This outrage and the scrutiny of the facts of the case that is happening is precisely what's supposed to happen when the public institutions stumble, that's what drives the change. This exposure and public discourse is what holds the feet of those in power to the fire. Without it things continue as they did before.

 

[Koivu11]

 

[LemonSauceD]

I’m prepared to be disappointed.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I’m prepared to be disappointed.

No kidding. I can't wait to hear nothing new at all, but still watching.

 

[VivaLasVegas]

Found a livestream at https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/london

 

[Melrose Munch]

Frankly, I don't see why we need to know anyone's names at this point. We're so addicted to information that we've fooled ourselves into believing we 'need' to know. Honestly, we're nothing but voyeurs. How does outing anyone help the case? Our gossip doesn't help justice, nor does it help the victim. So what are we really doing here? Do we actually believe we're striking a blow for morality by haranguing people online?

Sorry if I'm taking this out on you. Lol... you had the bad luck to trigger a thought that led to a lecture. At the end of this case, I expect justice to punish the guilty, despite the billion peeping-toms acting as a self-appointed jury.

No problem, I completely understand where you're coming from.

 

[VivaLasVegas]

So far:

(1) The five players have been formally identified and charged, i.e., no longer speculation.

(2) The girl is cooperating with prosecutors.

 

[Taro Tsujimoto]

 

[Puckatron 3000]

I've been following this story, and this thread pretty carefully. I just want to say thanks to everyone who has been sharing links to relevant info, legal information, and maybe most importantly, the overall discussion from everyone being had here. Things don't change unless people make them change. And a big part of that is a real and honest conversation among those of us who watch or play hockey. And those who are willing to confront the larger cultural issues involved. Hats off to everyone who is here to learn, discuss, care, and hopefully change what happens in the world around us. Even if that sometimes means working through some discomfort on the terrible issue of SA, and disagreement/critique of how it plays out in the legal system. Respect.

 

[Chainshot]

Westhead coming in with the question of if LPD has found themselves wanting in their initial investigation.

 

[Pink Mist]

Frankly, I don't see why we need to know anyone's names at this point. We're so addicted to information that we've fooled ourselves into believing we 'need' to know. Honestly, we're nothing but voyeurs. How does outing anyone help the case? Our gossip doesn't help justice, nor does it help the victim. So what are we really doing here? Do we actually believe we're striking a blow for morality by haranguing people online?

Sorry if I'm taking this out on you. Lol... you had the bad luck to trigger a thought that led to a lecture. At the end of this case, I expect justice to punish the guilty, despite the billion peeping-toms acting as a self-appointed jury.

I'm sorry, but this post is totally incoherent. Leaving aside that witnesses who fail to report or stop crimes definitely should not be left off the hook because they may be at least partially complicit (in wrongdoing, not necessarily in an illegal sense per se), but also as an NHL fan, there is an interest in knowing who they are because they're an entertainment product and as a paying fan you may not want to pay or associate with them.

 

[leafsfan5]

Great questions by Rick Westhead

 

[Chainshot]

Great questions by Rick Westhead

His follow-up was pretty good too - if the local abuse survivor support group is saying things are frayed with London PD about this issue, bringing it to light is one way to try to make a positive change.

 

[Hattrick Kane]

McLeod was also charged with aiding the assaults.

 

[Chainshot]

Doolittle with the 2nd question: McLeod's two charges, he helped facilitate abuse and participated. Did I get that right?

 

[Melrose Munch]

McLeod was the ringleader.

Doolittle with the 2nd question: McLeod's two charges, he helped facilitate abuse and participated. Did I get that right?

Yup.

 

[Jee]

Doolittle with the 2nd question: McLeod's two charges, he helped facilitate abuse and participated. Did I get that right?

Yes, definitely the one that texted the others.

 

[MXD]

WTH with the guy with the toxic masculinity question. How exactly did he think the sergeant could answer?

 

[TheBeard]

I assume, regardless of formal charges, their careers are done.

 

[Chainshot]

London PD with a bit of heat - deservedly - for how they initially handled this. Westhead's follow-up points to more issues there that folks local to London should be concerned about.

 

[Tuggy]

I assume, regardless of formal charges, their careers are done.

In the NHL for sure.

 

[A1LeafNation]

McLeod a POS

 

[AnInjuredJasonZucker]

It continues to be a bit shocking (though it shouldn't be) how fragile so many of the men in here are. They are so quick to presume women are guilty of the statistical anomaly that is a false rape allegation rather than support the staggering majority who are actual victims.

 

[al secord]

Tough for these cops to be the face of the failures of their predecessors.

 

[red devil]