Five members from Canada’s 2018 world junior team (Hart, McLeod, Dube, Foote and Formenton) told to surrender to police, facing sexual assault charges

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Are any of them good enough to give second chances? Sure, most NHL teams would be happy have McDavid on their team even if he murdered puppies and ate them as a hobby. But these are very average players, I don't think teams will think they're worth the headache.

No, not even close imo. All done.

 

[Indrid Cold]

We'll see. We've seen a lot of pro athletes get second chances.



I don't think there's any science suggesting that to be true - that is that sexual offenders are more likely to offend then other kinds of criminals.

Sexual assault in particular - can sometimes be a crime of opportunity.

That's not to say you don't punish sexual offenders - far from it. But let's not spread false information.

It's true, I checked the recidivism rate, and it's surprisingly low. But that is mostly because they're identified to the public. A thief can change their financial situation and stop stealing. But a sexual predator's urge usually remains.

 

[Melrose Munch]

Probably brought up, since it’s the same topic, and crimes are way worse in the NFL.

Since this is about minor hockey, again, this isn't about the NFL.

 

[Melrose Munch]

The Cal Foote thing bothers me. He has a famous dad and could have gone the USHL >>> College Hockey route to avoid this. Why go to the CHL? Why not play for team USA?

 

[Frank Drebin]

The Cal Foote thing bothers me. He has a famous dad and could have gone the USHL >>> College Hockey route to avoid this. Why go to the CHL? Why not play for team USA?

He still would have played for Canada in the WJC?

 

[Melrose Munch]

He still would have played for Canada in the WJC?

Fair point. But can college players go to world junior even if under 20? Not sure.

 

[JoVel]

The Cal Foote thing bothers me. He has a famous dad and could have gone the USHL >>> College Hockey route to avoid this. Why go to the CHL? Why not play for team USA?

I feel like he could have avoided it by just not partaking in it.

 

[Nemesis Prime]

The Cal Foote thing bothers me. He has a famous dad and could have gone the USHL >>> College Hockey route to avoid this. Why go to the CHL? Why not play for team USA?

Adam gonna punch his face in.

 

[Melrose Munch]

I feel like he could have avoided it by just not partaking in it.

Agreed, honestly. Just thinking he had multiple opportunities to avoid this...and still did it.

 

[Old Gregg]

Court filing reveals new details about alleged Hockey Canada group sexual assault

Some sections of the document have been redacted, but it provides the fullest picture to date of what allegedly transpired in the early morning hours of June 19, 2018

www.theglobeandmail.com

I get that there were clubs in the room (there was a golf tournament) but it doesn't sound like there was any plan to beat her with them in this article.

 

[Grifter3511]

If we turn that on its head, we also see older generations blame all of society's woes on those younger - that's been going on for all of recorded history. I mean it's hard to not see similarity to everything age related in this quote:



And that was made by someone who died 2400 years ago.

Except, it wasn't?

Misbehaving Children in Ancient Times – Quote Investigator®

quoteinvestigator.com

 

[Yukon Joe]

It's true, I checked the recidivism rate, and it's surprisingly low. But that is mostly because they're identified to the public. A thief can change their financial situation and stop stealing. But a sexual predator's urge usually remains.

I went to a seminar a number of years ago - this was was primarily on paeophiles. The researcher (I think from the U of t) was somwehat sympathetic to paedophiles - saying there are many different kinds. Some are absolutely predators and will continue to re-offend. Some are more offenders of opportunity - don't leave your kid alone with them, but otherwise aren't going to try and hunt down children,

And there's a whole population of people sexually attracted to children who will almost certainly never harm a child - because they know it's wrong.

It's the same with sexual offenders. Not everyone who commits a rape is necessarily a sexual offender. They may well have done a terrible thing just because they were in a particularly bad situation, with an easy victim.

 

[Chainshot]

Except, it wasn't?

Misbehaving Children in Ancient Times – Quote Investigator®

quoteinvestigator.com

Hey, thanks for that! Good find.

I'll tighten it down to Horace's quote then from 2000 years ago -

What do the harmful days not render less?

Worse than our grandparents’ generation, our

parents’ then produced us, even worse,

and soon to bear still more sinful children.

Same idea - we constantly blame the youth for being worse/softer/the root of all evil.

 

[Grifter3511]

Hey, thanks for that! Good find.

I wasn't even looking it up to disprove the statement. I was looking it up to see who specifically said it, and I was curious about what stage in their societal evolution they were at at the time, and I found that instead.

 

[Chainshot]

I wasn't even looking it up to disprove the statement. I was looking it up to see who specifically said it, and I was curious about what stage in their societal evolution they were at at the time, and I found that instead.

I've always seen that one ascribed to Socrates. Thank you for the other link.

 

[Melrose Munch]

I get that there were clubs in the room (there was a golf tournament) but it doesn't sound like there was any plan to beat her with them in this article.

It's in the police report that according to the victim, they threatened her with golf clubs.

 

[Atoyot]

Can we now speculate on the 5 names we've all known for a few years!

Except 3 of the most commonly brought up names at the beginning of the scandal ended up not being part of the 5.

 

[Moose Head]

Are any of them good enough to give second chances? Sure, most NHL teams would be happy have McDavid on their team even if he murdered puppies and ate them as a hobby. But these are very average players, I don't think teams will think they're worth the headache.

Hart looked like a real up and comer with high end potential. I was looking at him a potentially taking over for Price as ‘Canada’s’ goalie, but his play has been inconsistent over the last 2 or 3 seasons. Gotta wonder if this sword of Damocles hanging over his head affected his play.

 

[Darren McCord]

I don't recall a highly sexualized generation growing up. Nothing like today, not even close to what my 16 year old has to deal with.

If you think that is what caused this you are waaaaay of base. Kids have less sex now than in the past. Media blows things out of the water but events like this are not from that.

If anything I bet this stuff happens way less than it used to because people are actually trying to stop it due to the media attention. (I wish it was for more honorable causes but I don't think it is sadly)

 

[Nucks2001]

Fair point. But can college players go to world junior even if under 20? Not sure.


It's a current story.

Tell us what we should be talking about instead.

Um. U-20 College players have been allowed to go to the WJC since forever….

 

[Darren McCord]

I get that there were clubs in the room (there was a golf tournament) but it doesn't sound like there was any plan to beat her with them in this article.

They were literally joking about using them for sexual acts with her in that article. That could easily be taken as a threat considering the same article said they spitting on her and smacking her.

 

[Old Gregg]

They were literally joking about using them for sexual acts with her in that article. That could easily be taken as a threat considering the same article said they spitting on her and smacking her.

that's a stretch

 

[Danarqhy]

that's a stretch

You're saying that because you're failing to put yourself in the victim's shoes. It's much different when you're a woman who wakes up to 8 or more uninvited large men in your room carrying golf clubs and you're completely alone.

 

[Doshell Propivo]

But no matter what, it’s always about money. Even highschool sports, especially in the US

Watch the Woodstock '99 documentaries for actual footage of what I mean. No money involved. Young men? booze? drugs? testosterone? power? outnumbering females? Rape/sexual assault? Yup.

 

[Darren McCord]

that's a stretch

please tell me how using a golf club for unwanted sexual acts is not seen as a threat with golf clubs. Especially when you are 8 males in complete control.