Five members from Canada’s 2018 world junior team (Hart, McLeod, Dube, Foote and Formenton) told to surrender to police, facing sexual assault charges

[Atoyot]

This is just the beginning. I fully expect more of this from the younger, sexualized generation. We live in a world where Pornstars are idolized, you deal with outcomes like this. Programming has done a number to our children...

But in reality the countries that are less prudish about sex and offer comprehensive sex education have fewer cases of sexual assault.

 

[Yukon Joe]

This is just the beginning. I fully expect more of this from the younger, sexualized generation. We live in a world where Pornstars are idolized, you deal with outcomes like this. Programming has done a number to our children...

I don't know I would agree this current young generation is a more sexualized generation.

Now yes - certainly they can have access to explicit pornography at the click of a button. We didn't have anything like that when I was a kid. And even once I turned 18 you had to go to a sketchy bookstore downtown to get anything like that.

But what's going on to our kids is far weirder than that. They grow up on screens. They communicate with each other more via apps than in person. Several studies show they are dating less and having less sex.

 

[eco's bones]

A question is assuming any of them get off what happens afterwards? I could see their respective teams walking away from them (maybe/maybe not....but maybe) and the potential that other NHL teams won't touch them either. There would probably be European options.

But getting off is still an assumption. Being prosecuted....verdict guilty.....some or all will probably do prison time.

 

[PunchImlach is Alive]

But what's going on to our kids is far weirder than that. They grow up on screens. They communicate with each other more via apps than in person. Several studies show they are dating less and having less sex.

There's a lot of theories for it but, generally, I think it's nothing is really marketed or catered to them because every generation just gets a little more broke. It seems like they are the brokest. You can go to the average bar these days and it's almost a guarantee you'll see no one under the age of 30. Nightclubs everywhere are doing poorly. Nostalgia is big business these days but gen Z has no connection to that whatsoever. There just isn't much of a social scene for their interests so usually socializing is going to whatever crappy job they have and being miserable. With tickets for pretty much everything going through the roof, it may be affordable for millennials to boomers but those aren't the same economics gen z is working with.

 

[Chainshot]

But in reality the countries that are less prudish about sex and offer comprehensive sex education have fewer cases of sexual assault.

Tangentially, way, way fewer unwanted pregnancies too.

 

[AnInjuredJasonZucker]

This is not a sport problem... it is a human problem.. We just happen to be on a sports forum and interested in the NHL.

People suck..

It's a both problem. The trouble with the human problem is that you can't go to the board of directors of humans to start fixing the problem. What you can do is task the board of directors of Hockey Canada to clean up their house with public oversight and consequences for non-performance.

 

[93LEAFS]

A question is assuming any of them get off what happens afterwards? I could see their respective teams walking away from them (maybe/maybe not....but maybe) and the potential that other NHL teams won't touch them either. There would probably be European options.

But getting off is still an assumption. Being prosecuted....verdict guilty.....some or all will probably do prison time.

All of these guys are RFA's at the end of the season. I would be surprised to see any of them qualified.

 

[Yukon Joe]

There's a lot of theories for it but, generally, I think it's nothing is really marketed or catered to them because every generation just gets a little more broke. It seems like they are the brokest. You can go to the average bar these days and it's almost a guarantee you'll see no one under the age of 30. Nightclubs everywhere are doing poorly. Nostalgia is big business these days but gen Z has no connection to that whatsoever. There just isn't much of a social scene for their interests so usually socializing is going to whatever crappy job they have and being miserable. With tickets for pretty much everything going through the roof, it may be affordable for millennials to boomers but those aren't the same economics gen z is working with.

I mean when I turned bar-going age I hardly had any money, yet we still found ways to go out. You'd find the bar with cheaper drinks and no cover, or pre-drink and then nurse one beer at the bar all night long, or whatever.

Like I said I think kids these days just haven't been taught to socialize the same way, either explicitly by parents, or through their devices.

What that means for hockey - I don't know. My hockey-playing kids have learned to socialize - but it's almost entirely through their hockey friends. Could that make the kind of entitled, elitest hockey culture that's been mentioned worse, not better?

 

[Atoyot]

Tangentially, way, way fewer unwanted pregnancies too.

Yep, it's always a funny and counterintuitive thing to point out that countries whose population lose their virginity at a lower average age tend to have fewer teen pregnancies and sexual assaults. Making sex a weird taboo thing creates a lot of problems.

 

[Silky Johnson]

Great, so they are ignorant buffoons in a group. At
best. At worst...

...rapists. privileged one at that.

 

[Yukon Joe]

All of these guys are RFA's at the end of the season. I would be surprised to see any of them qualified.

I dunno - of all of them Carter Hart was the only regular NHLer. He was having an ok season in front of a bad Philly team.

I could see someone taking a flier on him if they're in need of a backup. He's been granted a leave of absence, not suspended (though doubtlessly the NHL would need to be consulted before he played again).

Doubt he ever plays for the Flyers again, but maybe next season either they trade him for a 7th round pick, or they fail to qualify and he signs a 2-way deal somewhere that needs goalies in the system.

I think the rest are all done.

 

[93LEAFS]

I dunno - of all of them Carter Hart was the only regular NHLer. He was having an ok season in front of a bad Philly team.

I could see someone taking a flier on him if they're in need of a backup. He's been granted a leave of absence, not suspended (though doubtlessly the NHL would need to be consulted before he played again).

Doubt he ever plays for the Flyers again, but maybe next season either they trade him for a 7th round pick, or they fail to qualify and he signs a 2-way deal somewhere that needs goalies in the system.

I think the rest are all done.

They have to qualify them this year to retain their rights. They are all RFA's. If not qualified all will be UFA's on July 1st. I don't see any of them getting qualified, especially with this not looking to have an end in sight anytime soon outside the Crown dropping the charges.

 

[UglyPuckling]

I mean when I turned bar-going age I hardly had any money, yet we still found ways to go out. You'd find the bar with cheaper drinks and no cover, or pre-drink and then nurse one beer at the bar all night long, or whatever.

Like I said I think kids these days just haven't been taught to socialize the same way, either explicitly by parents, or through their devices.

What that means for hockey - I don't know. My hockey-playing kids have learned to socialize - but it's almost entirely through their hockey friends. Could that make the kind of entitled, elitest hockey culture that's been mentioned worse, not better?

That is an interesting point worth noting. The socializing and drinking is often most frequent at younger ages when people tend to have less money.

Another long standing trend is the tendency for a younger generation to blame all the current woes on the previous generation or generations. You see lots of it now (the boomer references), but it has been happening for ages. Human nature I suppose to want to blame or find scape goats.

Socializing via social media wasn't even a thing back whenever, so I suppose that's another thing worth considering. You didn't see people fiddling with their phones every 10 seconds like you do now. There weren't even cell phones.

 

[eco's bones]

All of these guys are RFA's at the end of the season. I would be surprised to see any of them qualified.

And they would be young guys that teams would normally want. An object lesson for younger players now and the future. Not saying because I really don't know though but having put themselves in the position that they are in now and for the reason also doesn't speak very well for them. It sucks for the teams and their respective fans who have invested their hopes in them.

 

[93LEAFS]

That is an interesting point worth noting. The socializing and drinking is often most frequent at younger ages when people tend to have less money.

Another long standing trend is the tendency for a younger generation to blame all the current woes on the previous generation or generations. You see lots of it now (the boomer references), but it has been happening for ages. Human nature I suppose to want to blame or find scape goats.

Socializing via social media wasn't even a thing back whenever, so I suppose that's another thing worth considering. You didn't see people fiddling with their phones every 10 seconds like you do now. There weren't even cell phones.

or the older generation often blaming the younger generation for lack of work ethic or a decline in social standards.

 

[Nemesis Prime]

I dunno - of all of them Carter Hart was the only regular NHLer. He was having an ok season in front of a bad Philly team.

I could see someone taking a flier on him if they're in need of a backup. He's been granted a leave of absence, not suspended (though doubtlessly the NHL would need to be consulted before he played again).

Doubt he ever plays for the Flyers again, but maybe next season either they trade him for a 7th round pick, or they fail to qualify and he signs a 2-way deal somewhere that needs goalies in the system.

I think the rest are all done.

Nobody is touching these guys with a ten foot pole.

They are done.

 

[Golden_Jet]

So the fact they happened 20 years ago invalidates them? But you can bring up NFL arrests from 2010 (14 years ago?) Like @MXD said, if you want to talk football crime this board has a football forum. Otherwise, people like you need to get serious about this and stop pointing fingers at everything and anything else.


There's an entire documentary on this

Probably brought up, since it’s the same topic, and crimes are way worse in the NFL.

 

[UglyPuckling]

or the older generation often blaming the younger generation for lack of work ethic or a decline in social standards.

Sure. That's why this sentence covered this point: "Human nature I suppose to want to blame or find scape goats." Perhaps you missed it?

 

[Chainshot]

That is an interesting point worth noting. The socializing and drinking is often most frequent at younger ages when people tend to have less money.

Another long standing trend is the tendency for a younger generation to blame all the current woes on the previous generation or generations. You see lots of it now (the boomer references), but it has been happening for ages. Human nature I suppose to want to blame or find scape goats.

Socializing via social media wasn't even a thing back whenever, so I suppose that's another thing worth considering. You didn't see people fiddling with their phones every 10 seconds like you do now. There weren't even cell phones.

If we turn that on its head, we also see older generations blame all of society's woes on those younger - that's been going on for all of recorded history. I mean it's hard to not see similarity to everything age related in this quote:

The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.

And that was made by someone who died 2400 years ago.

 

[UglyPuckling]

If we turn that on its head, we also see older generations blame all of society's woes on those younger - that's been going on for all of recorded history. I mean it's hard to not see similarity to everything age related in this quote:



And that was made by someone who died 2400 years ago.

See #4493.

 

[TheBluePenguin]

Nobody is touching these guys with a ten foot pole.

They are done.

I think you are 100% correct. None of them, including Hart are good enough to be worth the backlash that would occur

 

[Indrid Cold]

...rapists. privileged one at that.

And it's the ultimate red flag. Rapists usually, if not mostly re-offend. It's not really something these people can rehabilitated from. A big reason why they're put on a list.

 

[waitin425]

 

[Yukon Joe]

Nobody is touching these guys with a ten foot pole.

They are done.

We'll see. We've seen a lot of pro athletes get second chances.

And it's the ultimate red flag. Rapists usually, if not mostly re-offend. It's not really something these people can rehabilitated from. A big reason why they're put on a list.

I don't think there's any science suggesting that to be true - that is that sexual offenders are more likely to offend then other kinds of criminals.

Sexual assault in particular - can sometimes be a crime of opportunity.

That's not to say you don't punish sexual offenders - far from it. But let's not spread false information.

 

[JoVel]

We'll see. We've seen a lot of pro athletes get second chances.

Are any of them good enough to give second chances? Sure, most NHL teams would be happy have McDavid on their team even if he murdered puppies and ate them as a hobby. But these are very average players, I don't think teams will think they're worth the headache.