Melrose Munch
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But this thread is about hockey. Posters had better wake up. And hockey fans had better stop pretending hockey is clean.NFL and NBA are sadly worse.
But this thread is about hockey. Posters had better wake up. And hockey fans had better stop pretending hockey is clean.NFL and NBA are sadly worse.
Kids vs adults?
What’s the difference in jury selection, ?Personally, I think the American jury selection system is better. I do see how it’s open to manipulation by both sides and who knows how often it’s actually a fair impartial jury and how often it’s just one side getting a favourable jury
No one is arguing that it’s not clean lol, they’re just pointing out the others are worse.But this thread is about hockey. Posters had better wake up. And hockey fans had better stop pretending hockey is clean.
I'm confident Dube asked the flames for a leave of absence citing mental health issues. While they were probably very aware of the source of his mental anguish I think they treated it exactly how they would have if they were not aware.If the Flames had no idea WHILE EVERY other person in hockey knew Dube was involved? you gotta question how in touch they are with the hockey. Dube was one of the players that was highly speculated when the news broke--the only name I did not see was Foote-when his name was suggested--posters suggested his father would lay a bunch of woop ass on him
Usually there are not unlimited peremptory challenges though which means one side has to strike for cause. Thats not necessarily both sides agreeing and can at times mean one side deciding not to strike an unfavourable juror because there are others that can be a bigger problemThe 12 jurors are agreed to on both sides, not just one side.
You are aware many of these kids leave home at 15 years old to live with billet families? The coaches and teammates become their parent figures.That’s a parents responsibility.
I don’t parent kids at work, hockey Canada isn’t these kids parents either
Talk to your sons before they turn 15 either way.You are aware many of these kids leave home at 15 years old to live with billet families? The coaches and teammates become their parent figures.
Pretty sure it was brought up earlier in this thread that the Canadian system changed because of outrage that the Colton Boushie case and now they don’t get peremptory challenges in CanadaWhat’s the difference in jury selection, ?
Canada has prosecutors and defence lawyers choosing the jurors together, they both have to agree, or they move on to the next person.
No one is arguing that it’s not clean lol, they’re just pointing out the others are worse.
I don't disagree with your point re: parents, but if a child is under your ward to learn hockey, then hockey coaches need to set the example of being good men. It's not just about protecting kids from abusers, it's teaching kids (especially boys) not to be abusers as well.Why would hockey Canada or coaches need more responsibility? If these kids were out in the working world, their supervisor wouldn’t be responsible for them going out and gang raping someone while they’re out on the road, would they?
I could see if they worked for google and it was covered up, but how much responsibility does Google have for what its employees may or may not do outside of work?
Would yo I want your boss deep inside your business like that?
We're not talking about a traditional boss. How many times in your past did your "boss" facilitate trips with free drinks, hotel rooms, and golf tournaments as an 18 year old? And yes, some of these kids were minors. So is Team Canada not responsible for counseling under age kids not to drink at an event that they are providing an open bar? Or do they just get to say "hey I'm only their boss - up to them what they do"?Why would hockey Canada or coaches need more responsibility? If these kids were out in the working world, their supervisor wouldn’t be responsible for them going out and gang raping someone while they’re out on the road, would they?
I could see if they worked for google and it was covered up, but how much responsibility does Google have for what its employees may or may not do outside of work?
Would yo I want your boss deep inside your business like that?
Agree, but you can also agree that parenting isn't over at 15, no matter how much information you try to pass on before they leave homeTalk to your sons before they turn 15 either way.
But what do others have to do with this? Why does some non-related incident in the NBA/NFL have to do with this case at this time? This is making a distraction.What’s the difference in jury selection, ?
Canada has prosecutors and defence lawyers choosing the jurors together, they both have to agree, or they move on to the next person.
No one is arguing that it’s not clean lol, they’re just pointing out the others are worse.
Way to twist everything. Flames were told originally he needed leave for mental health reasons. 3 days later news broke that London police were charging him. You cant fault the Flames for not knowing he was going to be charged in the future. For all we know Dube actually has a mental health issue that he needs help with.
You didn’t answer the question again, why is the US jury selection better.Pretty sure it was brought up earlier in this thread that the Canadian system changed because of outrage that the Colton Boushie case and now they don’t get peremptory challenges in Canada
Kids vs adults?
So you're saying when a player takes a leave for personal/mental issues it is up to the team to determine whether the source of that mental stress is worthy in the public eye?We all knew most of the name before that march of shame was announced. IF we knew and most of the hockey world knew the names why didnt the flames. The only name I did not see coming as Foote. Carter Hart, the sens kid and Mcleod were the most mentioned names. WIth Dube being in the top ten of players names.
So no--I am not twisting shit. We were given a two weeks heads up and then players started taking a leave of absence. Dube was not the first player to take a leave of absence.
Not letting parents off the hook, but there’s a reason Hockey Canada is paying a settlement.These kids didn't have parents to tell them the difference between right and wrong? It's not Hockey Canada's job to teach that.
You are aware many of these kids leave home at 15 years old to live with billet families? The coaches and teammates become their parent figures.
I do think being able to strike jurors is a better system than the one that has been discussed earlier in this thread that now unless a potential juror volunteers that they don’t think they can be impartial they’ll be selectedYou didn’t answer the question again, why is the US jury selection better.
We're not talking about a traditional boss. How many times in your past did your "boss" facilitate trips with free drinks, hotel rooms, and golf tournaments as an 18 year old? And yes, some of these kids were minors. So is Team Canada not responsible for counseling under age kids not to drink at an event that they are providing an open bar? Or do they just get to say "hey I'm only their boss - up to them what they do"?
And while on the subject of facilitation. If Hockey Canada had a huge pool of money set aside to specifically settle sexual assault cases, a team of lawyers at hand for the same purpose, and had a clear history of other Juniors getting into sexual assault problems.... is it still cool for them to say, "hey I'm just your boss and you don't want me deep inside your business like that. You do you, brah!"
Come on man. If you are coaching and managing a bunch of juniors, responsibility comes with the package. If not then Team Canada should go away. Which for many, is a very appealing prospect right now.
Beside the point.These guys were all adults when this occurred.
True. Flames really are caught between a rock and a hard place, with little to no room to manoeuvre. If they claim they didn't know about the underlying root cause for the absence, then their lack of due diligence is concerning insofar as to who wears the team jersey, which by the way - the players are ultimately an ambassador for the team, which is why their conduct off the ice DOES matter.Such a disgusting move by the flames to say it was a mental health issue for Dube
Absolutely. This defense of Flames management/pr is pretty funny. About the only funny thing in this sad mess.We all knew most of the name before that march of shame was announced. IF we knew and most of the hockey world knew the names why didnt the flames. The only name I did not see coming as Foote. Carter Hart, the sens kid and Mcleod were the most mentioned names. WIth Dube being in the top ten of players names.
So no--I am not twisting shit. We were given a two weeks heads up and then players started taking a leave of absence. Dube was not the first player to take a leave of absence.
Are you aware that a 15 or 16 year old is not a legal adult, and whatever adults in his or her life during the years till they are 18 essentially serve as role models/parents?Yes. I’m aware. I have lived in southern Ontario my whole life