Five members from Canada’s 2018 world junior team (Hart, McLeod, Dube, Foote and Formenton) told to surrender to police, facing sexual assault charges

[Enniskillen]

Well done for this research, no matter what you're trying to point out.

The point is your zeal is truly remarkable.

 

[Fish on The Sand]

FOUR current NHL players...all tied to this incident. Uhhhhh...how is it NOT an NHL story...just curious?

NHL.com isn't a news site, it's a promotional site.

 

[SCP Guy]

I would be very interested to know why the initial investigation went no where? Were the police inept? Was a cover up put into play by Hockey Canada? Did the victim stop cooperating with the investigation? So many questions why this took so long and I bet we never get those answers!

 

[hangman005]

I say this with 100% sincerity, but do not give @hangman005 any ideas.

Too late

 

[Garo]

Because in the sense it's being discussed here, it comes off as "If she didn't go to the hotel with the first player, these other players wouldn't have ruined their reputations/careers."

I drank way more than I ever should have multiple times at the establishment in question (Jack's). Never was I concerned that I'd likely get sexually assaulted, and I never was. It's sort of just putting a double standard on the women, who is a victim in this scenario, and women in general.

To expand on this, alcohol is an obvious one because it cleanly wrecks your mental state, but the people arguing that point must not really realize how annoyingly pervasive this goes. Consider just, walking on an empty street. It's extremely basic stuff, right? Well there's all those reports of women being assaulted doing just that.

I actually did that mistake last summer. I'm a trans woman, so for the overwhelming majority of my life this has never been a consideration for my personal safety, but then I started being on hormones for a few months and well, it started showing. And for the first time ever I'm getting sexually harassed for five minutes before he finally gives up. The "very risky" thing I did was something I have done for twenty years. In broad daylight.

Here's a quick and not at all exhaustive recap of stupid things women cannot do:

- Walk in broad daylight without anyone around you
- Drinking too much, or alone
- Trusting a work colleague you have worked with for years and going to their residence
- Being alone at school or at work with a man
- Go out without mace or any kind of portable weapon that can help your escape
- Go on a first date without telling your location to people you closely trust
- Give your partner any reason to doubt you, because domestic violence is the number one cause of violence against women
- Actually, make it never displease your partner, right?

At some point, the people suggesting women should strongly consider the risks to them aren't just telling them they won't ever feel safe, even in their own home. They are telling them they'll never be truly free.

 

[T REX]

It's a story involving NHL players, sure, but I wouldn't expect them to advertise it in their front page.

NFL didn't have Ray Rice hitting his wife on their front page either.

You have to be searching for things to be mad at to be outraged that nhl.com isn't highlighting this.

Ray Rice released by Ravens, indefinitely suspended

www.nfl.com

Your BS has been called out. What else ya got? There's more links but that should do it. Feel free to use the Wayback Machine as well...once the video was leaked...to the NFL's credit...it is all over their front page.

SMDH.

You're either part of the solution or part of the problem.

NHL.com isn't a news site, it's a promotional site.

Interesting and a huge difference between other leagues and the gutless and spineless NHL.

TSN has it front and center.

Just a bad look IMHO.

(insert nothing to see here gif)

 

[Melrose Munch]

Ray Rice released by Ravens, indefinitely suspended

www.nfl.com

Your BS has been called out. What else ya got? There's more links but that should do it. Feel free to use the Wayback Machine as well...once the video was leaked...to the NFL's credit...it is all over their front page.

SMDH.

You're either part of the solution or part of the problem.

Let's chill here. @Ezekial is on the right side here in terms of the whole case. Wether or not it is on the NHL front matters but you're expecting competence from this league, which is too much apparently by the way the releases were handled.

 

[Ezekial]

Ray Rice released by Ravens, indefinitely suspended

www.nfl.com

Your BS has been called out. What else ya got? There's more links but that should do it. Feel free to use the Wayback Machine as well...once the video was leaked...to the NFL's credit...it is all over their front page.

SMDH.

You're either part of the solution or part of the problem.


Interesting and a huge difference between other leagues and the gutless and spineless NHL.

TSN has it front and center.

Just a bad look IMHO.

(insert nothing to see here gif)

Hit me up when the players get released.


And I'm far from the problem, people who jump down people's throats for no reason(you) are the problem with society

 

[T REX]

Hit me up when the players get released.


And I'm far from the problem, people who jump down people's throats for no reason are the problem with society(you)

You flat out lied through your teeth then got called on it.

Now...somehow...after you lied...I'm the problem.

Sure pal. No reason? Yeah. Again...no words.

The NHL should be out in front of it not hiding it.

Crisis Mgmt 101. Nevermind. Have a great night. Thanks for the discourse.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Glad we traded Foote when we did and got something before this blew up into our faces and had this situation hanging over the team.

This is really just a bad post all around.

 

[Ezekial]

You flat out lied through your teeth then got called on it.

Now...somehow...after you lied...I'm the problem.

Sure pal. No reason? Yeah. Again...no words.

Ray Rice beat his wife in Febuary and the League suspended him 2 games in July - it wasn't until the video was made public that he was released and your little article was written in September so hold your horses.

 

[Pip]

Hit me up when the players get released.


And I'm far from the problem, people who jump down people's throats for no reason(you) are the problem with society

I mean you were claiming information which proved to be false. That’s not “no reason”

 

[llwyd]

I read from some Finnish site that Canadian courts don't give such huge punitive damages than the US courts - is this so? Anyway, this young woman has already been paid 3,5mil by Hockey Canada, so money doesn't seem to be a very central factor here, and the details don't look very good to the players in any case. And what's these ex post facto "consents", they seem pretty creepy to me tbh.

 

[GeoRox89]

As has also been noted, women already know this. They know that they are at risk of being victimized by men and they know how to mitigate the risks.

Let's say, though, that women comply and help the men that can't help themselves. Will sexual assaults magically stop? Will they even be reduced?

The problem is the actions of men. The "But also...!" of women mitigating risks really only benefits one group in discussions like this - the guys facing sexual assault charges and need to mount a defense in a power structure that still looks for any way to give the benefit of the doubt.

Based on CDC reporting, 12.7% of victims of completed or attempted rape reported their first (re-victimization is a depressing known phenomenon) assault occurred before their 11th birthday. One would think the percentage of children that young who had been drinking was so astronomically small as to be irrelevant.

So quite clearly rapes aren’t going to stop if women just never get drunk around strange men. Never mind all the people (as in men and women) who are assaulted by their spouse or significant other or someone they’re dating.

 

[T REX]

Ray Rice beat his wife in Febuary and the League suspended him 2 games in July - it wasn't until the video was made public that he was released and your little article was written in September so hold your horses.

Ray Rice, fiancée arrested at Atlantic City casino, released

www.nfl.com

Come on man...let it go. Thanks.

The NFL didn't wait 5 FREAKING years!!!!!!

You done yet? I have links lined up to bury you if that's what you want.

You wanna get embarrassed?

EDIT: IGNORED [mod] THANKS.

 

[Fish on The Sand]

Ray Rice released by Ravens, indefinitely suspended

www.nfl.com

Your BS has been called out. What else ya got? There's more links but that should do it. Feel free to use the Wayback Machine as well...once the video was leaked...to the NFL's credit...it is all over their front page.

SMDH.

You're either part of the solution or part of the problem.


Interesting and a huge difference between other leagues and the gutless and spineless NHL.

TSN has it front and center.

Just a bad look IMHO.

(insert nothing to see here gif)

The headline is covering the transaction of him being released. The NHL website also covered the transaction of the players being put on leave.

TSN (and other sports publications) are news websites and I would expect them to cover it, since it's sorta their job.

Edit: I see you've found more, and that's a good look for the NFL.

 

[oilexport]

Lots of money and reputation at stake, for all the different people and organizations involved.

Chit is gonna fly

 

[Ezekial]

Ray Rice, fiancée arrested at Atlantic City casino, released

www.nfl.com

Come on man...let it go. Thanks

I mean I really don't care, I've let it go. I still don't expect the NHL to release anything about it until the London press conference.

Also, just because you found an nfl.com article doesn't mean it was advertised on their front page, which is what I actually said. Anyway enjoy

 

[Gregor Samsa]

Would Nike Canada reps hover around all the players on the team or would they tend to gravitate towards more star players?

 

[super6646]

No one is buying the Flames bullshit

Flames Reddit is lol. Mostly a consensus dube screwed the team and the org were roped into this.

I mean I get it at the end of the day, but taking a team statement so uncritically? It really is a world where ppl believe what they want to believe.

 

[McFlyingV]

I read from some Finnish site that Canadian courts don't give such huge punitive damages than the US courts - is this so? Anyway, this young woman has already been paid 3,5mil by Hockey Canada, so money doesn't seem to be a very central factor here, and the details don't look very good to the players in any case. And what's these ex post facto "consents", they seem pretty creepy to me tbh.

She was not paid 3.5mil by Hockey Canada. She was seeking 3.5mil and reached an undisclosed settlement which was probably significantly less than 3.5mil.

 

[rynryn]

I feel like it would be tough to find HC culpable in the act of sexual assault

That is not what i said.
I meant that their legal teams will try to paint HC as a controlling force, the players as naïve kids believing what HC tells them (wasn't a crime, we're just paying her off because it's quicker), hoping the perceived naivety lessens the punishment.
The fact that there are people in here arguing that you're somehow less a victim if you're interested in hooking up with a NHL-track hockey player and you got drunk around them lends a little credibility to the possibility these guys didn't realize what they were doing was a crime.
Still a crime, still punished, but lower on the scale. 10 years instead of 50, $500k instead of $5m. that sort of thing.

Not a lawyer, though (obvously). not sure how ignorance affects culpability in Canada or if you could argue if ignorance was willful or not in this case if they go that route.

tl;dr just wondering how the players' legal teams are going to try to make their clients look less guilty.

 

[Jared Dunn]

That is not what i said.
I meant that their legal teams will try to paint HC as a controlling force, the players as naïve kids believing what HC tells them (wasn't a crime, we're just paying her off because it's quicker), hoping the perceived naivety lessens the punishment.
The fact that there are people in here arguing that you're somehow less a victim if you're interested in hooking up with a NHL-track hockey player and you got drunk around them lends a little credibility to the possibility these guys didn't realize what they were doing was a crime.
Still a crime, still punished, but lower on the scale. 10 years instead of 50, $500k instead of $5m. that sort of thing.

Not a lawyer, though (obvously). not sure how ignorance affects culpability in Canada or if you could argue if ignorance was willful or not in this case if they go that route.

tl;dr just wondering how the players' legal teams are going to try to make their clients look less guilty.

I see what you mean, I don't think the HC bit factors in though as it's all after the fact of their initial horrendous decision making

 

[TopC0rner]

I meant that their legal teams will try to paint HC as a controlling force, the players as naïve kids believing what HC tells them (wasn't a crime, we're just paying her off because it's quicker), hoping the perceived naivety lessens the punishment.

Considering the report from HC had the conclusion that the victim was likely sexually assaulted, I really doubt this will be an avenue for the players.

 

[RegDunlop]

Even if they made a faux pas, I think there are many people and organizations deserving of more scrutiny and criticism than the Flames. But if others want to draw and quarter them, I’m not a Flames fan so whatever.

Then why do you keep arguing in defence of them?