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Five members from Canada’s 2018 world junior team (Hart, McLeod, Dube, Foote and Formenton) told to surrender to police, facing sexual assault charges

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Arthur Fonzarelli said:
Not only did Hockey Canada cover this up, they used registration fees collected from players as young as those registered in beginner Timbits hockey. These funds allowed Hockey Canada to settle cases without a court hearing, and without an investigation by its insurance company, which kept these allegations out of the public eye. This also was not a one time occurence. As much as $15 million a year in settlements have been made.

After breaking this story the Globe & Mail revealed a second secret fund this past October, with public backlash so bad the entire board of directors for Hockey Canada stepped down & their CEO Scott Smith was fired.

Further its already been established that when informed about this particular incident, Hockey Canada betrayed the victim by leaking the details of a police investigation to the accused resulting in phone calls & texts where she was harassed to make the matter go away.

The actions of the 2018 U20 National Team are just the tip of the iceberg & it's fair to reason the National Team at all levels may not be competing any time soon.

This is not going to end well. There's been some head shaking comments made here by people who will definitely be on the wrong side of history when the dust settles on the shit storm that is coming.
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Excellent post. You tell the story well. I'd add the initial investigation by the London Police, HC, and of course lack of anything from candy-ass NHL. Then there's the awesome, diligent work (!) regarding the 2003 incident. Shameful
 
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Rich Nixon said:
I mean, it's a pretty simple scenario that unfortunately happens. Maybe it makes the police complicit, and maybe a guy had a buddy who had a buddy. But more likely it makes them look lazy or under-resourced. It's not an easy case to investigate or close, and in reality police forces are often forced to deprioritize some matters in favor of others where they can prevent and prosecute more frequently and easily. They apparently failed to interview a number of key witnesses in their initial investigation, which makes it seem like a rather cursory matter that they chose not to pursue.

The way they are held accountable for that is often through public outrage and government pressure, which only came when it was divulged that Hockey Canada had been paying people off through a sexual assault slush fund.

This is not uncommon in abuse cases, either. Often, you'll find serial abusers (like Weinstein or Cosby) have indeed been accused and lightly investigated/cleared in the past, and it takes public pressure to conduct a serious investigation that eventually produces a conviction.
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Pretty much nailed it IMO. The Peter Nygaurd documentary shined a light on this as well. If you are powerful and have deep pockets you can keep deviant behavior out of the public eye, or at least keep yourself out of Jail. In Peter’s case the chickens finally came home to roost after a life time as a sexual predator. In this situation would anything further of happened if it didn’t get out that hockey Canada made the payoff? Once that got out then all bets were off.

One element that is interesting to me is the Hockey Canada piece. When this thing blew up there were the public hearings, funding was frozen, sponsors bailed, CEO Scott Smith resigned, the entire board stepped down. What I also find interesting as reported by Dan Robson in The Athletic, Hockey Canada had hired a Law firm to do an investigation into this incident but initially nobody (players) was compelled to participate and the law firm closed that case since they were unable to establish the identities of the accused. Fast forward to 2022 and when the London Police reopened the investigation Hockey Canada upped their game on their report and required all the players to participate with the Law Firms “this time” or they might be barred from participating in future international competitions for Canada. A day late and a dollar short but the new leadership were clearly on the hunt and the Law firm on their behalf was building a report.

The results of the Law firms findings were given to a 3rd party panel in 2022. The panel made recommendations (possible sanctions) but as of now it Sounds like that is on hold. (On the 32 thoughts podcast) Friedman was mentioning that Hockey Canada had an extensive report on this but currently that report is in an appeals phase and they also don’t want to prejudice the London Police’s investigation.

So we have the Police and Crown that will most likely be bringing charges against 4 more players Monday, then we have the outstanding Hockey Canada report with possible sanctions pending, and we have and NHL report. I assume new leadership in Hockey Canada will want to remain on top of this as part of their new path forward. They are walking a delicate tightrope and I assume they may wait for the results of Crown’s case before they take any potential actions?



Lots of moving parts still.
 
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DEANYOUNGBLOOD17 said:
I appreciate your point of view !

My point of view is contrary in that ;

- ultra competitive players and players that are aggressive and never take no for an answer are usually required to win a Stanley Cup and not just receive a participation pin.

I think Do. Cherry served his Country as an ambassador to sport and sportsmanship. He was a huge supporter of the Canadian Military and actually got fired for supporting Rememberance Day and the importance of wearing the poppy. He simply meant to say that the Canadian Government do a better job in informing new Canadians on the importance of the holiday and that we should all be grateful to the veterans that gave their life’s so we can have the freedom we enjoy Today.

I think the way Sports net let Don Cherry go is almost ageism… and despicable.

Just my opinion …. Not meaning to offend anyone

I support the troops that protect us as well!
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You can't expect people to come here and know all our customs. People need to be educated, instead of an 80 something year old going on a rant.

He should of said I would like every Canadian to go out and buy a poppy.
 
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Deadly Dogma said:
I know if I were the crown, I wouldn't want this to go to trial.
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I think there is a lot of public pressure to see this go to trial. But as you’ve eluded to, it’s not an Open and shut case and I haven’t read all the details but the crown will have to prove a heavy burden that everything was non consensual. It’s a he-said/she-said. Regardless the victim did not deserve to have what happened to her, happen to her. I really feel for the victim, she will have to relive this through the trial and it won’t be easy with the public eyes all over this.
 
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At this point, one really has to ask the Calgary Flames why did they release a statement citing Dube will be gone because of mental health reasons. Did Dube lie to them and they just believed him and didn't have any idea what was about to happen, or did someone in their PR department seriously think this wouldn't come back to bite them in the ass?

 
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FoxyClean said:
To play devil’s advocate, what prevents somebody (of any gender) to lie about consent in order to get a settlement payout from a professional athlete?

Pardon my ignorance if there’s a logical answer to that question.

My concern is, if these kids are found innocent, their reputation is still tarnished forever and career might be over regardless.
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That’s where the burden of proof is on the crown to prove that she did not consent to these acts.
 
LOFIN said:
At this point, one really has to ask the Calgary Flames why did they release a statement citing Dube will be gone because of mental health reasons. Did Dube lie to them and they just believed him and didn't have any idea what was about to happen, or did someone in their PR department seriously think this wouldn't come back to bite them in the ass?
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I can't believe for even a moment that they didn't know. The NHL is a small world. These guys' names have surely been circulating for a while. The young woman sued in 2022 -- the teams of these guys didn't start trying to figure out then who was on the list? Yeah, right. It looks like the Senators knew Formenton was involved pretty much instantly, for example.
 
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LOFIN said:
At this point, one really has to ask the Calgary Flames why did they release a statement citing Dube will be gone because of mental health reasons. Did Dube lie to them and they just believed him and didn't have any idea what was about to happen, or did someone in their PR department seriously think this wouldn't come back to bite them in the ass?

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wildly irresponsible of them at absolute best, especially considering what Kylington's been going through.
 
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LOFIN said:
At this point, one really has to ask the Calgary Flames why did they release a statement citing Dube will be gone because of mental health reasons. Did Dube lie to them and they just believed him and didn't have any idea what was about to happen, or did someone in their PR department seriously think this wouldn't come back to bite them in the ass?

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Literally posted this just as you did.

My biggest hope is its just an awful sort of miscommunication between PR (who may not have known what was going on) and the actual ppl in the "know,", but there is so much stretching and incompetance you have to factor in for that explanation to work that I just cannot reasonably buy it.
 
LOFIN said:
At this point, one really has to ask the Calgary Flames why did they release a statement citing Dube will be gone because of mental health reasons. Did Dube lie to them and they just believed him and didn't have any idea what was about to happen, or did someone in their PR department seriously think this wouldn't come back to bite them in the ass?

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What's the issue? I'm sure he's mentally stressing the f*** out right now.
 
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