Five members from Canada’s 2018 world junior team (Hart, McLeod, Dube, Foote and Formenton) told to surrender to police, facing sexual assault charges

[Melrose Munch]

do we know if the previous settlement has any NDA's?

Not 100 percent sure, but knowing Hockey Canada it probably does.

 

[Edgelord]

I mean, "I fart in your general direction" can be an argument, too, I suppose.

rephrase
to be fair if we boil the theme down of 99% of the arguments on here, they generally match I fart in your direction lol

 

[SmytheKing]

So look - if you have sex with a woman without consent you are committing rape. 100%. The full moral blameworthiness of that act falls on you.

That being said - if you are a woman, you drink to excess, you don't have other people to look out for you - you are putting yourself in a vulnerable position. That does not mean it's okay for a man to rape you! But if you are a father you should tell your daughter to not drink to excess in a situation that could put you at risk of sexual assault.

I liken it to this - you shouldn't walk down the street in a bad neighbourhood flashing a wallet full of money. If you get robbed the responsibility is 100% on the robber. Morally you've done nothing wrong. But you did put yourself at risk.

It's the reason why cars and houses have locks.

...and yet no one ever wonders or asks if the doors were locked when a car or house gets broken into. Why? Because they understand that those measures have nothing to do with the discussion at hand and bringing it up suggests that the victim of the robbery could have some blame in what happened.

 

[Danarqhy]

You suggested that because victims suffer in silence that it is ok when someone makes a false accusation. We should "believe all victims" is often the tripe your lot trots out. Emotional nonsense.

When it comes to matters of the law and peoples freedom - emotion has no place. Bring the evidence please.

I will clue you in on something. Life isn't fair and people get away with stuff everyday. "It is better that 10 guilty people escape than one innocent person suffer".

Nope, I literally never said that. I get it though, trying to deflect after getting called out for spewing nonsense that you never bothered to look up just because it "felt right". At least you're ousting yourself for what you really are.

 

[AnInjuredJasonZucker]

wouldn't that be a form of gatekeeping?
as much as we may disagree with those arguments, they do come into play


my POV is
a. ways to stop this from happening again
b. legal aspect and how that may play out.

also in the allegations even if it was consensual, the way the boys treated her is unpalatable to say the least. now that is a personal opinion.

Not for nothing, but calling these men (they were over 18 at the time) "boys" is doing the work of the defense as well. Like I said, it's conditioned.

 

[The Grim Reaper]

Any new information or are we still going in circles?

 

[Edgelord]

Not for nothing, but calling these men (they were over 18 at the time) "boys" is doing the work of the defense as well. Like I said, it's conditioned.

men wouldn't do whats alleged, boys would IMO

 

[inthewings]

You suggested that because victims suffer in silence that it is ok when someone makes a false accusation.

As someone reading this exchange: this never happened. You're misunderstanding their post, deliberately or otherwise.

 

[Ezekial]

men wouldn't do whats alleged, boys would IMO

In a thread full of awful takes you seem to found the worst one that won't get deleted.

 

[MacMacandBarbie]

Spent time living in Costa Rica - ham is a regular part of pizza there to the point they don't even mention that it's part of it. Kind of a shock to discover about half a pound of the stuff beneath the cheese on what was supposed to be just a cheese pizza. Also funny when I would order "no Jamon" and the pizzeria would act like I was off my rocker.

Wow this thread went off the rails in a good way, that was really insightful and interesting.

 

[inthewings]

men wouldn't do whats alleged, boys would IMO

Wat

 

[Edgelord]

In a thread full of awful takes you seem to found the worst one that won't get deleted.

how is that a bad take?
IMO a man is someone who wouldn't do something like this

 

[Muffin]

Any new information or are we still going in circles?

I suspect it's going to go something like this.

"She consented"
"No I didn't"
"Yes she did"
"No I didn't"
"Yes she did"

Repeat as necessarily.

 

[Ezekial]

how is that a bad take?
IMO a man is someone who wouldn't do something like this

Our society has plenty of men that do this shit and the fact that you sit here and undermine it is pretty crazy.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Having used it to complete your legal degree, will you be using this thread to start your own law library?

I feel like they might take my degree back due to how much knowledge I lost by reading this thread

Speaking as an actual lawyer - I don't know nearly enough to actually have a take on the guilt or innocence of these players. You can't read a couple of news articles and suddenly have as much information as the court itself will hear.

Same here man… I’m just glad I’m not involved lol

 

[Edgelord]

Wat

yes men in the sense of the word thats a man as in something to aspire to, a real man would never treat a woman like that, only boys(in the sense of morality and maturity) would.

Our society has plenty of men that do this shit and the fact that you sit here and undermine it is pretty crazy.

I think you're trying to be outraged for nothing here

 

[Rich Nixon]

yes men in the sense of the word thats a man as in something to aspire to, a real man would never treat a woman like that, only boys(in the sense of morality and maturity) would.

Cool semantics bruv

 

[roon]

It's probably time to reiterate that being declared not guilty doesn't mean the accused didn't do what he or she was charged of : It just means that it couldn't be proven beyond any reasonable doubt.

[/QUOTE]

That is in fact what a not guilty verdict means by definition. It means the charge wasn't proven and innocence is assumed.

But I'll repeat, because that's a solid non-answer you've given there.

You wrote the following



The question was :
What does the bolded have to do with the charges that Alex Formenton are about to face?

I'm sorry its tough to connect the dots - but the charges are a result of her accusation and the result of the investigation by police. They found probable cause to charge the defendants. I'm not familiar with Canada's standards around probable cause - but i would guess they very much err on the side of the victim.

The fact that Alex Formenton is facing charges could have everything to do with her accusation which would make it then very important whether or not that accusation is false or not. If it is a false accusation - then we move on to why would a person do that? Thats where the fame/clout etc would come in to play.

If you need me to explain it further I can certainly try.

 

[AnInjuredJasonZucker]

men wouldn't do whats alleged, boys would IMO

Men do this stuff with alarming frequency. Continuing to call them boys is simply an extension of the "boys will be boys" rhetoric that makes other men comfortable with turning a blind eye - or in Hockey Canada's case, paying out hush money.

 

[Edgelord]

Cool semantics bruv

when I said men wouldn't do that, that's how I meant it

 

[Ezekial]

I think you're trying to be outraged for nothing here

You have thoughts that don't align with reality I guess. 0 outrage here.

 

[Yukon Joe]

I feel like they might take my degree back due to how much knowledge I lost by reading this thread


Same here man… I’m just glad I’m not involved lol

My own thought is given how the complainant reported this back in 2018, but police took no action - I'm not quite sure how the Crown is going to get past a Jordan application - no matter what the merits of the case. That being said however defence would still need to show actual prejudice based on the delay, which I'm not sure they can.

 

[Edgelord]

Men do this stuff with alarming frequency. Continuing to call them boys is simply an extension of the "boys will be boys" rhetoric that makes other men comfortable with turning a blind eye - or in Hockey Canada's case, paying out hush money.

I was calling them boys almost in a derogatory fashion

 

[AlainVigneaultsGum]

men wouldn't do whats alleged, boys would IMO

Quit while you're behind, b.

 

[AnInjuredJasonZucker]

I know when I'm after fame, I make sure that my name isn't made public.