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Interesting they didn’t talk about the PP or dig into advanced stats department- since I thought Leafs got one of the most funded in the league.
Also there isn’t as much about Willie and Reilly as I would like to see.
Or TJ’s excitement of being a Leafs.
Same with Simmonds.
 
With all due respect no one needs to see the show to understand it. The way Keefe and Dubas are shields for Shanny is very apparent.

If anything it might answer the question as to why Lou is no longer here.

Shanny is the chief architect, and he didn't join MLSE to just be a public figure/spokesperson.
That’s normal though and I don’t see a problem with that. Esp since the business side of the Leafs is very easy and doesn’t need as much attention as says the Jays or Raptors.
 
That’s normal though and I don’t see a problem with that. Esp since the business side of the Leafs is very easy and doesn’t need as much attention as says the Jays or Raptors.

Yes, but for many years Leaf fans thought Dubas was autonomous. Also Dubas' name gets dragged through the mud far more than Shanny.
 
Does anyone else think that this series is kinda all over the place? It feels like there’s too many fast cuts and that it’s over-edited.
 
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Interesting they didn’t talk about the PP or dig into advanced stats department- since I thought Leafs got one of the most funded in the league.
Also there isn’t as much about Willie and Reilly as I would like to see.
Or TJ’s excitement of being a Leafs.
Same with Simmonds.

I'd imagine the Leafs wouldn't want too much of their trade craft revealed, especially something like the stats guys who deal with some proprietary data
 
Just finished the series. I enjoyed that watch. I ain’t gonna over analyze everything like some here will.

I am glad Keefe and Campbell come off incredibly well. Spezza is a gem. Forgot how good Foligno looked at the start with us before his injury. Damn shame.

I think Dubas and Keefe took this past season into the off-season with them based on the additions we made.

Mikheyev doesn’t come off great. When Keefe pulls him into a room to show him a play, he just sorta stands there and doesn’t say anything.

I like behind the scenes stuff. Can’t get enough of it. Wish the Leafs agreed to another season. Oh well
 
I'd imagine the Leafs wouldn't want too much of their trade craft revealed, especially something like the stats guys who deal with some proprietary data
Ofcourse, l meant more in general-like saying ‘we got a great stats department who gave us unique insight… ‘
 
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pro-tip: when you're talking to leafs fans, everyone played hockey.

personally, as someone who was pretty good at some sports at a similar level, there are many people with no experience playing those sports that i'd gladly defer to their knowledge of the pro game,that I don't follow.


not everyone of them played the game, the official Leafs board from the old days, and here as well, probably have lot's of folks that never laced up a pair of skates. there are just as many of those guys and girls as there are people who played at any kind of competitive level.

how do those people get the knowledge of the pro-game btw? didn't you say this: "Nothing more hilarious than Junior B players thinking their hockey playing experience gives them some special insight into the NHl game."

the level of coaching you get the higher you go gives you a breadth of knowledge on how the game is played and it's a lot more then just x's and o's, when to gamble, when to play safe or a stat that purports to predict a players future performance it's something that gets into the deepest synapses.

so John Druce, remember him? no one could have predicted him pumping in 14 goals in 15 playoff games, no one ever saw him as an offensive force and yet for those brief shining moments he defied all logic of what he had been as a player and what his upside could be.

so yeah, it's not worth arguing over, I have my opinion you have yours

just enjoy seeing what maybe are the best two Leafs ever to lace em up, in what maybe will be the best season ever in Leafs history
 
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Yeah I used the goalied excuse after the Jackets loss, but after the Habs loss, it doesn't work. There was a fundamental problem and Keefe realized it not even half way through the season.
I have got an appreciation for Keefe after just part one. He'll give it to the team and senses problems. Of coure it doesn't excuse him of getting outcoached against the Habs, but I like what I have seen. In a way maybe this off season was good by Dubas, but we'll see.
Yet, you absolutely despised/despise the fans that saw the same thing as Keefe saw. That's proper weird.

I've gotta give credit to the set of fans here that saw the same thing Sheldon did (probably a bit before Sheldon did to be honest).
 
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The Leafs loss to the Canadiens last year goes to two things

Matty's wrist, he couldn't shoot with any authority, Montreal can loosen any coverage of him and pay more attention to Marner and whomever the LW happened to be and shut them down

JT's injury, his loss left a big gaping hole the Leafs couldn't fill, Kerfoot did an admirable job and Nylander really stepped it up but it didn't replace Tavares and how much better he makes the top 6

the bottom 6 just didn't cut it, not enough scoring when they needed it most, only Spezza really delivered offensively and defensively

simply put Montreal took advantage of Toronto's depleted top 6 and outdueled Toronto's netminding
 
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not everyone of them played the game, the official Leafs board from the old days, and here as well, probably have lot's of folks that never laced up a pair of skates. there are just as many of those guys and girls as there are people who played at any kind of competitive level.

how do those people get the knowledge of the pro-game btw? didn't you say this: "Nothing more hilarious than Junior B players thinking their hockey playing experience gives them some special insight into the NHl game."

the level of coaching you get the higher you go gives you a breadth of knowledge on how the game is played and it's a lot more then just x's and o's, when to gamble, when to play safe or a stat that purports to predict a players future performance it's something that gets into the deepest synapses.

so John Druce, remember him? no one could have predicted him pumping in 14 goals in 15 playoff games, no one ever saw him as an offensive force and yet for those brief shining moments he defied all logic of what he had been as a player and what his upside could be.

so yeah, it's not worth arguing over, I have my opinion you have yours

just enjoy seeing what maybe are the best two Leafs ever to lace em up, in what maybe will be the best season ever in Leafs history

The worst thing about Toronto hockey fans is they think their AAA experience makes them experts on the NHL game.

They have no idea that their hockey experience is far closer to house league than the NHL.

What's even funnier is that even NHL players can be complete morons when analyzing NHL hockey. And yet their experience FAR outweighs anyone else's here - and they're still hilariously wrong all the time.

But some MTHL player thinkin their "hockey experience" makes them an authority? That's actually kind of pathetic, tbh.
 
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I think we all know which players are the problem unfortunately. They are our best players which sucks.
Worst part is how unable they are to actually take accountability. In EP1 when matthews complains to the media that they played too safe and that’s why they struggled to score or create, and that really pissed off Keefe. Keefe said it was because they had 4-5 guys above the puck all game long and our players didn’t want to work for it, but you could tell the players didn’t agree with him, even if the video evidence of it exists. Seems to be a real disconnect between Keefe and the core players, more of a relationship out of necessity as opposed to wanting to go through a wall for him. Just seems like you can keep switching out the secondary players and depth options but if our top guys don’t change their approach and learn to get dirty, things won’t change.
 
The worst thing about Toronto hockey fans is they think their AAA experience makes them experts on the NHL game.

They have no idea that their hockey experience is far closer to house league than the NHL.

What's even funnier is that even NHL players can be complete morons when analyzing NHL hockey. And yet their experience FAR outweighs anyone else's here - and they're still hilariously wrong all the time.

But some MTHL player thinkin their "hockey experience" makes them an authority? That's actually kind of pathetic, tbh.

Gotta tell ya my friend anyone who played triple A ultimately knows how far away the OHL is from what they have to offer as players, and in turn should understand that the gulf from the O to the N is even more extreme by double, that is if they're being honest with themselves.

Some people can speak eloquently some can't, one of the most difficult things to do is explain something that you just saw happen in a flash at an extremely high speed

It really say's nothing about knowledge but maybe more about another's powers of observation
 
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Only watching one episode a night, but this is definitely binge worthy.

I don’t know how anyone can call Keefe a bad coach. He knows his hockey, and he knows how to hold his players accountable.

Edit: I gave in and watched 2 lol
I love the little 1 on 1 meetings between Keefe and Dubas when they just bounce things off of each other, it was cool listening to them in episode 1 talk about the lack of scoring and how concerned they were about it, because talking to fans all youd hear is oh you’re an idiot, Matthews is a 50 goal scorer, Nylander is going to score 70 plus points, Marner close to 100, yet we still couldn’t score 5 on 5. Can’t see Kerfoot lasting the year here.
 
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I gained so much more respect for Keefe. At least, he actually sees the problems most of us here see from the very beginning of the season.
Also, to those who kept saying just look at the advanced stats, they did well….I don’t think Keefe saw it that way.
Haha they didn’t even mention advanced stats once in episode 1, fact is it has little bearing on coaches decisions or how teams perceive players. It’s a way for people who don’t know how to discuss hockey or players to try and trump and argument.
 
Gotta tell ya my friend anyone who played triple A ultimately knows how far away the OHL is from what they have to offer as players, and in turn should understand that the gulf from the O to the N is even more extreme by double, that is if they're being honest with themselves.

Some people can speak eloquently some can't, one of the most difficult things to do is explain something that you just saw happen in a flash at an extremely high speed

It really say's nothing about knowledge but maybe more about another's powers of observation
Honestly, it’s the house leaguers and people who never learned how to skate until 25 like Jeff Veillette and Editor in Leaf who are the ones who try and act as if they know how to manage and run an NHL team. It’s rarely the players who actually played quality hockey. Most of “leafs Twitter” are girls and guys who’ve never picked up a stick before, but have the loudest voices
 
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Haha they didn’t even mention advanced stats once in episode 1, fact is it has little bearing on coaches decisions or how teams perceive players. It’s a way for people who don’t know how to discuss hockey or players to try and trump and argument.

Wut
 
I absolutely love it so far. Lot of honest locker room moments (Keefe like "turn up the f***ing music" lol) and we do all know how this series is going to end but the journey there is still interesting.
I love how Keefe is driven absolutely crazy by the teams inability to hold and close out a lead, it’s something that is meme worthy for this leafs team. Without getting into the stats there’s just no way other playoff teams blow away many 2-3 goal leads as the leafs do.
 
How stupid are you. My comment was easy to comprehend. If you watched episode 1, you’d notice outside of Dubas mentioning 5 on 5 goals and how lacklustre the group was there; they never mentioned analytics when making decisions. It’s a way for yourself, Dom and other leafs Twitter accounts and other analytic accounts to act like you know the game, and to try and end arguments by posting a players chart, because you’re completely unable to actually talk about what you see on the ice.
 
Honestly, it’s the house leaguers and people who never learned how to skate until 25 like Jeff Veillette and Editor in Leaf who are the ones who try and act as if they know how to manage and run an NHL team. It’s rarely the players who actually played quality hockey. Most of “leafs Twitter” are girls and guys who’ve never picked up a stick before, but have the loudest voices


yeah. I don't do twitter, I could care less what some person I don't know thinks about something they really don't know anything about, its a self-fulfilling prophecy about a snake eating it's own tail

I detest that "real media constantly reports on twitter opinion, it drives me freaking batty, I guess it's supposed to give meaning to and to validate our own opinions on any given subject given the tribalism of post-modern life
 
Interesting they didn’t talk about the PP or dig into advanced stats department- since I thought Leafs got one of the most funded in the league.

Not gonna show anything that they don't want other teams to see, just like they're not going to show anything that would get them charged with tampering
 
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