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That Brassard goal doesn't happen if not for St. Louis. He broke up a pass which went to Zucc, to McDonagh, to Brassard who put it in.

Numbers wise, St. Louis hasn't contributed as much as we want.

Play-wise, he's made some good passes but looks like he's feeling out his teammates and/or trying to do too much. Additionally, his teammates are feeling him out since I don't think anyone on our team has ever played with someone that's as good as a playmaker. I'd like him to put it on net more often.
 
I thought he played awesome his first game and has been crap since. Hopefully he turns it around because a hot st louis with the Rangers winning only makes things better. IF Nash / Richards start putting points up WATCH OUT!!
 
Callahan Auto said:
That Brassard goal doesn't happen if not for St. Louis. He broke up a pass which went to Zucc, to McDonagh, to Brassard who put it in.

Numbers wise, St. Louis hasn't contributed as much as we want.

Play-wise, he's made some good passes but looks like he's feeling out his teammates and/or trying to do too much. Additionally, his teammates are feeling him out since I don't think anyone on our team has ever played with someone that's as good as a playmaker. I'd like him to put it on net more often.
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Your last paragraph is a good point. MSL isn't some unproven player who magically fell off the map out of nowhere. He was among the league leaders in scoring this season, and a large chunk of that was with Stamkos injured, and scored 4 goals against SJ a short while ago. I don't think a lot of these guys have ever played with a guy with his skill set. MZA is the closest thing maybe, and I even remember this happening with Zucc - it was like he was playing so outside the mental box of the team that it took a while before it all sank into place. I don't know how long it will be before the team and MSL connect and find good harmony, I'm not overly worried about it. But when they do, I like the prospect of it. We have some nice scoring balance on the top three lines, our 4th line was beastly tonight, and tack on good D and goaltending and I like the team's prospects moving forward.
 
Dactyl said:
What were the other options? the sellers market was atrocious this year.
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How about keeping him and NOT throwing away draft picks? The price for not resigning Callahan in the off season need not have been to throw away a second and a first.
 
Cake or Death said:
MSL isn't some unproven player who magically fell off the map out of nowhere.
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The same can be said about any amount of high priced, aging super stars that Sather has traded for.
He was among the league leaders in scoring this season, and a large chunk of that was with Stamkos injured, and scored 4 goals against SJ a short while ago.
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Since his 4 goal explosion (23 games or so ago), he has scored 2 goals.
 
The Rangers should have a ceremony similar to Lundqvist's last night that honors all the aging stars the Rangers have acquired that officially got old the moment they were traded to NYR.

It'd last longer than the Oscars.
 
Bleed Ranger Blue said:
The Rangers should have a ceremony similar to Lundqvist's last night that honors all the aging stars the Rangers have acquired that officially got old the moment they were traded to NYR.
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It really is funny how short term a memory people have. Hmm....highly paid, aging stars come to the Rangers and fail? What are you talking about? This NEVER happens.
 
True Blue said:
It really is funny how short term a memory people have. Hmm....highly paid, aging stars come to the Rangers and fail? What are you talking about? This NEVER happens.
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All the more reason why the treatment of Callahan was disgusting around here. Were his demands too high, and should he have been traded? Yes.

But how rare is it the the Rangers actually receive the best years of a player?
 
True Blue said:
Since his 4 goal explosion (23 games or so ago), he has scored 2 goals.
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2 goals? At least get your facts straight if you're gonna argue so staunchly. Since his 4 goal 'explosion' he had 4 goals 8 assists in his last 13 games with TB. FOUR goals. Then he came here and flat lined. He was playing exceptionally well before he got here, and had 4 goals in the 4 games immediately before the trade. In the 20 games prior to coming to NY, he had 12 goals, 11 assists, 23 pts and was only scoreless in 3 of the 20 games. You really think he magically just fall apart the day of the trade, or are he and the team adjusting? I know this is hard to comprehend, because after all it happens to every single player in the league, but maybe he's in a short slump that he'll recover from? Maybe he's trying to do too much? Really, I don't know. And I don't care. I am not worried about this guy in the least because I know he'll come around. Seriously, 1.15 PPG in the 20 games before the trade. You really think he just totally fell apart and will never score again or maybe the players/coaches are adjusting or he's in a short slump?
 
Bleed Ranger Blue said:
If you have a poor argument, attack the messenger.
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Speaking of poor arguments, I remember saying early in the season - at a time when the Rangers were horrific and Vancouver was entrenched in a playoff spot - that I'd bet money the Rangers make the playoffs and Vancouver wouldn't. You said you'd take that bet. How's that working out for you?
 
Bleed Ranger Blue said:
If you have a poor argument, attack the messenger.
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Sorry if I am not going to get all up in arms over 11 games. If you can't see that he has played well then I don't know what to tell you. Problem is people like you BRB basically had MSL up against the wall from the get go. He'd have to light the world on fire for even just a smidgen of your approval. But all that doesnt matter seeing as he laces them up each night and you have no say in management. Youre a hockey fan and entitled to be pessimistic, realistic, or optimistic.
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11 games. 0 goals.
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Sure because that's a large sample size. Why don't we scratch him. Based on this thinking we should've forfeited the season after our first 10 games this year...
 
Cake or Death said:
Speaking of poor arguments, I remember saying early in the season - at a time when the Rangers were horrific and Vancouver was entrenched in a playoff spot - that I'd bet money the Rangers make the playoffs and Vancouver wouldn't. You said you'd take that bet. How's that working out for you?
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These are the people that when they are right, they are 1000% right and never let you forget...

And when they're wrong they either deny or hope no one remembers so they don't have to deal with it.
 
RGY said:
Sorry if I am not going to get all up in arms over 11 games. If you can't see that he has played well then I don't know what to tell you. Problem is people like you BRB basically had MSL up against the wall from the get go. He'd have to light the world on fire for even just a smidgen of your approval. But all that doesnt matter seeing as he laces them up each night and you have no say in management. Youre a hockey fan and entitled to be pessimistic, realistic, or optimistic.

Sure because that's a large sample size. Why don't we scratch him. Based on this thinking we should've forfeited the season after our first 10 games this year...
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That's your conclusion, not mine. My conclusion is he's not producing at a critical point in the season. I'm unhappy about it, but am confident that he will turn it around eventually. When you pay a premium for a player you shouldn't have to wait this long.

My analogy from yesterday: This trade is like going to an Audi dealer, buying an expensive car, and it stalls when you go to pull out of the dealership. Yeah, they'll fix it eventually, but **** that, you just spent a fortune on it. The fact that someone from the dealership or a friend was able to drive you home anyway doesn't justify it.
 
RGY said:
Sorry if I am not going to get all up in arms over 11 games. If you can't see that he has played well then I don't know what to tell you. Problem is people like you BRB basically had MSL up against the wall from the get go. He'd have to light the world on fire for even just a smidgen of your approval. But all that doesnt matter seeing as he laces them up each night and you have no say in management. Youre a hockey fan and entitled to be pessimistic, realistic, or optimistic.

Sure because that's a large sample size. Why don't we scratch him. Based on this thinking we should've forfeited the season after our first 10 games this year...
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Dear Lord you are full of ****.

If you put MSL in a Callahan jersey, he'd be burnt at the stake right now.
 
I don't think having high expectations for St. Louis makes anyone a pessimist. All I read leading up to the trade, and in the days after, was how MSL was "last year's Art Ross winner" and he's an "elite forward" and this team "needs finishers". Okay, that's all well and good, but now I'm somehow a pessimist because he's not living up to the expectations that were set for him? I didn't see people lining up with excuses about an "adjustment period" when we traded for him. That only ever comes after the player fails to live up to expectations.

He's not playing well. He's not producing. We gave up a lot to get him. These are all valid concerns and can't simply be deflected with "oh, you're just a pessimist." Will he get better? Probably, but with each game that passes, it's another game closer to the playoffs.

Simply put, you can't put a guy up on a pedestal like 90% of this board did with MSL before the trade, and then suddenly start dumping on people when they question why he's not playing as well as you all said he would.
 
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Trxjw said:
I don't think having high expectations for St. Louis makes anyone a pessimist. All I read leading up to the trade, and in the days after, was how MSL was "last year's Art Ross winner" and he's an "elite forward". Okay, that's all well and good, but now I'm somehow a pessimist because he's not living up to the expectations that were set for him? I didn't see people lining up with excuses about an "adjustment period" when we traded for him. That only ever comes after the player fails to live up to expectations.

He's not playing well. He's not producing. We gave up a lot to get him. These are all valid concerns and can't simply be deflected with "oh, you're just a pessimist." Will he get better? Probably, but with each game that passes, it's another game closer to the playoffs.

Simply put, you can't put a guy up on a pedestal like 90% of this board was with MSL before the trade, and then suddenly start dumping on people when they question why he's not playing as well as you all said he would.
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My new favorite post of the year!
 
True Blue said:
I stand corrected. 4 goals in 23 games. FOUR.
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To be fair I think you're missing the point with his comment, were talking about the games when he was with the Tampa Bay Lightning. Not while he was with here. Everyone knows he sucked when he's here. But the facts are he played well right before he was traded here.
 
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