KingsHockey24
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Proposal: Fire sell Habs
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Alexander Romanov LD
Gabe Vilardi C/RW
Romanov will be a big piece of that D core moving forward, we keep him. He is the only brightspot in the last few games
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Gallagher might not have that much value, just due to concerns about his style of play and long term deal. I see no scenario where he's moved with Bergevin at the helm however.
Toffoli is a top goalscoring winger in the league over the last few years on a sweetheart deal. My ask for him from the Leafs would be Sandin+. Which I don't think Leafs fans would want to part with.
Them's the perils of intradivisional trades.
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Offered and lost
"Regardless of price tag" is categorically incompatible with a double digits cap hit. $5M? You make room easy. $8M? You do some shuffling. $10.5M? You're restructuring your team.
5 more seasons after this where he is on the wrong side of 30 at 6.5M. Easy pass.
Terrible season, 3 more years at 6.25 and will be the wrong side of 35 years when done. Easy pass.
A 25 - 30 range first rounder, for sure, but not much better.
Its the length of contract. He was available in the expansion draft, no takers. If Seattle thought there was any chance they could flip him for any kind of haul they would have done it. His value is effectively zero. If this was the last year there is value. It has been 5 years since he has been a good goalie, although that said he has played extremely well in the last two playoffs, but is a team willing to shell out that money for his last 5 years history? I'm thinking doubtful.
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Price? Everybody knows he'll be LTIRed 2-3 years from now, max.
The guy's washed.
But he can still have spurts of his old self, like we saw in the last 2 playoffs.
If habs take shorter bad contract(s) back, for +/- the same amount of money, he could fetch a 2nd + prospect, maybe a late 1st + an average goalie on an expensive (but short) contract.
Gallagher? Same thing, a bad contract should come back in order to get some future in return.
Petry same.
With Toffoli we should be able to get something interesting without having to take a bad contract back.
Chiarot will be a rental player at the trade deadline. Habs could get a low first or a good (not great) prospect + a 2nd.
Lehkonen same as Chiarot but the return should be something around a 3rd/4rth + ok prospect. Maybe a 2nd since he's the kind of player NHL coaches/GM likes comes the playoffs.
Armia we're stuck with him. I don't understand why MB signed him (for that long and that amount) in the 1st place...
Personally, I would've give Danault his 2 mil more rather than give Armia 3.4 mil/4 years... Now we're stuck with Dvorak who makes 1 mil less than Danault but is way less effective... anyway...
Hoffman. Just signed as a UFA, won't be traded as of now.
Dvorak. Just traded a 1st + a 3rd for him and actually play like shaite. Bad timing to trade him. Rather keep him until he settles his play a bit.
The guy's washed.
But he can still have spurts of his old self, like we saw in the last 2 playoffs.
If habs take shorter bad contract(s) back, for +/- the same amount of money, he could fetch a 2nd + prospect, maybe a late 1st + an average goalie on an expensive (but short) contract.
Gallagher? Same thing, a bad contract should come back in order to get some future in return.
Petry same.
With Toffoli we should be able to get something interesting without having to take a bad contract back.
Chiarot will be a rental player at the trade deadline. Habs could get a low first or a good (not great) prospect + a 2nd.
Lehkonen same as Chiarot but the return should be something around a 3rd/4rth + ok prospect. Maybe a 2nd since he's the kind of player NHL coaches/GM likes comes the playoffs.
Armia we're stuck with him. I don't understand why MB signed him (for that long and that amount) in the 1st place...
Personally, I would've give Danault his 2 mil more rather than give Armia 3.4 mil/4 years... Now we're stuck with Dvorak who makes 1 mil less than Danault but is way less effective... anyway...
Hoffman. Just signed as a UFA, won't be traded as of now.
Dvorak. Just traded a 1st + a 3rd for him and actually play like shaite. Bad timing to trade him. Rather keep him until he settles his play a bit.
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Perennial
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Trade #1
To Carolina: Anderson
To Montreal: Niedereiter
Hurricanes add a power forward in his prime to their lineup
Habs clear Anderson's long term salary from their payroll. Niedereiter's expiring contract could be attractive to a contender at the deadline, especially with 50% retention
Trade #2
To Columbus: Petry
To Montreal: Boqvist
Blue Jackets upgrade their D
Habs add a young Dman with upside, while shedding Petry's long term contract without taking back any significant salary in return
Trade #3
To Buffalo: Gallagher, Savard, Allen
To Montreal: 2022 7th, Dell
Sabres add a veteran RW to provide leader ship to their young core, a veteran RD to mentor their young D, and a serviceable veteran goalie
Habs rid themselves of the long term contracts of Gallagher and Savard without having to take back any salary
Trade #4
To Philly: Toffoli, Hoffman
To Montreal: Tuomaala, JVR, Lindblom
Flyers upgrade at LW
Habs pick up a speedy winger prospect, while also clearing the 3rd year of Toffoli and Hoffman's contract
Trade #5
To Chicago: Dvorak
To Montreal: 2022 2nd, EDM's 2022 3rd, Johnson
Hawks get a young Chicago native who's just entering his prime, while also clearing Johnson's long term contract
Habs pick up a 2nd and 3rd rd pick in the 2022 draft, while clearing the final season of Dvorak's contract
Trade #6
To Toronto: Drouin (50% retained), Evans
To Montreal: 2022 1st, 2022 2nd, Robertson, Ritchie
Leafs get an upgrade at LW in their top 6, and versatile bottom 6 forward who's a Toronto native
Habs add a 2022 1st, a 2022 2nd, and a LW prospect with upside in Robertson
Trade #7
To Florida: Chiarot
To Montreal: 2023 2nd, Sourdif, Hornqvist
Panthers get an upgrade on D, while clearing Hornqvist's salary off the books for next season
Habs add a speedy C prospect with upside, while Hornqvist could possibly be flipped with 50% retention to a contender at next year's trade deadline
Trade #8
To St. Louis: Edmundson
To Montreal: Bolduc, Scandella
Blues add a top 4 LD
Habs get a skilled prospect from Quebec to add to their long term core, and a Montreal native in Scandella to eat up minutes on their blueline during the rebuilding years
Trade #9
To Edmonton: Lehkonen (50% retained), Kulak
To Montreal: Lavoie, Turris, Ryan
Oilers get an upgrade to their bottom 6, plus a veteran Dman to provide depth to their blueline
Habs pick up a hometown prospect forward with upside
Trade #10
To New York: Armia, Wideman
To Montreal: Kravtsov, Nemeth
Rangers get some size and scoring at RW with Armia, while Wideman gives them some additional depth at RD. Clearing Nemeth out allows Hajek to take over at LD on the bottom pairing
Habs get an offensively gifted forward prospect who could benefit from a change of scenery, plus a veteran Dman in Nemeth to eat up minutes on the blueline during the rebuilding years
Montreal out: Gallagher, Anderson, Drouin, Hoffman, Toffoli, Dvorak, Armia, Lehkonen, Evans, Petry, Chiarot, Savard, Edmundson, Kulak, Wideman, Allen
Outgoing salary: 55.975 million
Montreal in: STL's 2022 1st, TOR's 2022 1st, TOR's 2022 2nd, CHI's 2022 2nd, FLA's 2023 2nd, EDM's 2022 3rd, Bolduc, Robertson, Sourdif, Kravtsov, Lavoie, Tuomaala, Boqvist
JVR, Niedereiter, Hornqvist, Johnson, Lindblom, Ritchie, Turris, Ryan, Scandella, Nemeth, Dell
Incoming salary: 38.37 million (not including prospects)
Approx. 17.6 million cleared from Montreal's cap this season... which could then be used to take on additional cap dumps along with the picks/prospects that come with them
To Carolina: Anderson
To Montreal: Niedereiter
Hurricanes add a power forward in his prime to their lineup
Habs clear Anderson's long term salary from their payroll. Niedereiter's expiring contract could be attractive to a contender at the deadline, especially with 50% retention
Trade #2
To Columbus: Petry
To Montreal: Boqvist
Blue Jackets upgrade their D
Habs add a young Dman with upside, while shedding Petry's long term contract without taking back any significant salary in return
Trade #3
To Buffalo: Gallagher, Savard, Allen
To Montreal: 2022 7th, Dell
Sabres add a veteran RW to provide leader ship to their young core, a veteran RD to mentor their young D, and a serviceable veteran goalie
Habs rid themselves of the long term contracts of Gallagher and Savard without having to take back any salary
Trade #4
To Philly: Toffoli, Hoffman
To Montreal: Tuomaala, JVR, Lindblom
Flyers upgrade at LW
Habs pick up a speedy winger prospect, while also clearing the 3rd year of Toffoli and Hoffman's contract
Trade #5
To Chicago: Dvorak
To Montreal: 2022 2nd, EDM's 2022 3rd, Johnson
Hawks get a young Chicago native who's just entering his prime, while also clearing Johnson's long term contract
Habs pick up a 2nd and 3rd rd pick in the 2022 draft, while clearing the final season of Dvorak's contract
Trade #6
To Toronto: Drouin (50% retained), Evans
To Montreal: 2022 1st, 2022 2nd, Robertson, Ritchie
Leafs get an upgrade at LW in their top 6, and versatile bottom 6 forward who's a Toronto native
Habs add a 2022 1st, a 2022 2nd, and a LW prospect with upside in Robertson
Trade #7
To Florida: Chiarot
To Montreal: 2023 2nd, Sourdif, Hornqvist
Panthers get an upgrade on D, while clearing Hornqvist's salary off the books for next season
Habs add a speedy C prospect with upside, while Hornqvist could possibly be flipped with 50% retention to a contender at next year's trade deadline
Trade #8
To St. Louis: Edmundson
To Montreal: Bolduc, Scandella
Blues add a top 4 LD
Habs get a skilled prospect from Quebec to add to their long term core, and a Montreal native in Scandella to eat up minutes on their blueline during the rebuilding years
Trade #9
To Edmonton: Lehkonen (50% retained), Kulak
To Montreal: Lavoie, Turris, Ryan
Oilers get an upgrade to their bottom 6, plus a veteran Dman to provide depth to their blueline
Habs pick up a hometown prospect forward with upside
Trade #10
To New York: Armia, Wideman
To Montreal: Kravtsov, Nemeth
Rangers get some size and scoring at RW with Armia, while Wideman gives them some additional depth at RD. Clearing Nemeth out allows Hajek to take over at LD on the bottom pairing
Habs get an offensively gifted forward prospect who could benefit from a change of scenery, plus a veteran Dman in Nemeth to eat up minutes on the blueline during the rebuilding years
Montreal out: Gallagher, Anderson, Drouin, Hoffman, Toffoli, Dvorak, Armia, Lehkonen, Evans, Petry, Chiarot, Savard, Edmundson, Kulak, Wideman, Allen
Outgoing salary: 55.975 million
Montreal in: STL's 2022 1st, TOR's 2022 1st, TOR's 2022 2nd, CHI's 2022 2nd, FLA's 2023 2nd, EDM's 2022 3rd, Bolduc, Robertson, Sourdif, Kravtsov, Lavoie, Tuomaala, Boqvist
JVR, Niedereiter, Hornqvist, Johnson, Lindblom, Ritchie, Turris, Ryan, Scandella, Nemeth, Dell
Incoming salary: 38.37 million (not including prospects)
Approx. 17.6 million cleared from Montreal's cap this season... which could then be used to take on additional cap dumps along with the picks/prospects that come with them
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Nah, I think we're good. Even if Boeser does get moved we have top-6 RW options (Garland, Hoglander, Podkolzin). I also think Myers has been fine here as he's been surprisingly working well alongside Ekman-Larsson
Ekman-Larsson and Myers have filled the Canucks shutdown gap - Vancouver Is Awesome
Haha no thanks from New York. I was told we severely overpaid for Goodrow (false) so why Overpay for another bottom 6 guy in armia. Nemeth is just fine for now and our coach likes him
no vilardi doesn't have that value . this would be sergachev for drouin 2.0
Alexander Romanov LD
Gabe Vilardi C/RW
I don't value Lehkonen very much. I don't see this as a good trade, more of a lateral move.
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Oh, big time! I had their logo painted in my toilet so I can poop on it once - sometimes twice! - a day...
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I think the potential benefit from the incoming players is clearly greater to the Oilers than the outgoing ones...
Do fans have high hopes for Lavoie?
I think Lavoie has NHL talent. Will that translate into an NHL job? I don't know.
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he didn't. He scored after being wiped off (both actually) by Romanov after instantly getting up
Odd... most often teams that see themselves as contenders are the ones that trade a 1st for a rental. Happens every deadline. Either you don't think the oilers are real contenders (fair) or you don't think Chiarot will fetch that (historically dubious since players of his type routinely return a 1st).
I suspect there is almost no market for the contracts of Price, Gallagher, Hoffman and Armia.
pertys value also at a significant low. He’s the guy I most suspect can rehab his presently depressed value.
I think you could trade the rest. Dvorak especially. You’ll get something decent for Chariot too.
Montreal Canadiens ownership , management , players dont't care that you hate them .
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