Post-Game Talk: Fire Noel, and Chevy, the CBC crew and Joe Mack while we are at it, Jets lose 6-1

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I may get flamed for this.

Does anyone truly believe that our record is indicative of how the team has played this season?

Perhaps this is revisionist history but to me we got quite a few lucky bounces or quick goals and hung on for dear life in a number of games.

Nope. I would say sort all the teams by goal differential, and this gives a better idea of where they really should be in the standings.
 

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He was a section over from me. Friend near there said he was berating the Jets on how bad they were playing, along with many swear words.

Funny part is, he was totally right.


Was he yelling at the players or the coaches.

It looked like Perry Pearn was yelling back at him.
 

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Definitely a fair point.

My argument would be that there were games earlier in the year where the Jets outplayed or played very even with our opponents and got zilch. The Boston and Toronto games here come to mind. Even that first Washington game here, Jets outplayed the Caps badly through 20 minutes and had nothing.

We've got a few posters here that can describe pretty accurately how much the Jets success can be ascribed to luck (or overachieving, I suppose). Subjectively, I would say 2 games above .500 is about where they should be.

I'm going to do something different... No stats [ok I snuck one stat in] :O OMG!!!!

My opinion of this whole season was from the start...
We're a middle of the road team.
We have decent depth but not enough to take injuries without setbacks.
We live and die by goaltending as we're good enough to hold against any team but not good enough to dominate without it.

Now to go pseudo statistical...
We have 3 legit first liners (Kane, Ladd, Wheeler), 1 high-end second liner (Little), a slew of third liners of variable levels (Antropov, Burmistrov, Miettinen, Jokinen (should be in the 2nd liner list but regressed), Wellwood, Ponikarovsky(RIP)) and then the rest are either solid (Wright!!) or pitiful 4th liners.
We have had at minimum one 3rd pairing calibre defenseman playing in our top4 for every game this season.

I said this team needed at least one of two things to hit the playoffs, if not both:
SV% around 0.910-0.920 (I don't care if you believe it's due to goalies or players; it's a team need)[and yes I snuck in a stat]
Healthy top4 D
...So far, we have only had one for spurts (and surprise, surprise, it pushed us to 1st in SE) and the other for ~5 mins...
We've lucked out with poor play/injuries from Carolina, Tampa Bay and Washington
 
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SensibleGuy

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well that was a stinky pooper of a game...

Man, watching the game live it sure was frustrating at times. There were (many) occasions where we'd gain control of the puck in our end, and I'd think "OK now lets go, get it moving up the ice now and lets make something happen" and in-explicably the player with the puck would change direction and move towards our own goal. I mean I would understand if there was pressure, but I'm talking here about situations where there's lots of open ice in front of the guy and still he rotates around and goes backwards. Its like the only thing they can think of to do when the puck lands on their stick is to run behind Pavs.

The loudest chant of the night was the crowd begging the Jets to "shoot the puck!"
 

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Nope. I would say sort all the teams by goal differential, and this gives a better idea of where they really should be in the standings.

But that takes heavy account of blowouts. We haven't blown anyone out yet. Have we had any games where we've scored over 5?

There have been some games where we should have won but lost. Some that we should have lost but won. Then we have a ton of losses by 1 goal where we should have gotten the extra point. I think 34 points in 32 games is pretty accurate, cause we haven't been able to get many of our close games to ot. Especially at the beginning of the season.
 

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LOL @ everyone in this thread. Try dealing with this kind of crap for 10 years, then you'll know how it feels.

This makes me happy, seeing my Thrashers in true form. You can take the Thrashers out of Atlanta but you can't take the Atlanta out of the Thrashers.
 

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Many of us Dealt with "this crap" for years before you guys got the Thrashers. Jets 1.0 wasn't exactly known for its endless seasons of success...
 

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But that takes heavy account of blowouts. We haven't blown anyone out yet. Have we had any games where we've scored over 5?

There have been some games where we should have won but lost. Some that we should have lost but won. Then we have a ton of losses by 1 goal where we should have gotten the extra point. I think 34 points in 32 games is pretty accurate, cause we haven't been able to get many of our close games to ot. Especially at the beginning of the season.

This could be said of every other team in the league. Jets shouldn't be handled differently. So I like to apply the same (albeit crude) metric for everyone. A good measure of a teams ability, is their ability to score goals and prevent goals. Wins and losses are just created by fortuitous (or unfortunate) 60 minute splices where that distribution of goals winds up. As time goes on and we get deeper in to the season, the actual standings will eventually drift to the order if sorted by differential. At least that's what happened in the last couple of years. (winners of weak divisions creating anomalies and exceptions)
 

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I'm going to do something different... No stats [ok I snuck one stat in] :O OMG!!!!

My opinion of this whole season was from the start...
We're a middle of the road team.
We have decent depth but not enough to take injuries without setbacks.
We live and die by goaltending as we're good enough to hold against any team but not good enough to dominate without it.

Now to go pseudo statistical...
We have 3 legit first liners (Kane, Ladd, Wheeler), 1 high-end second liner (Little), a slew of third liners of variable levels (Antropov, Burmistrov, Miettinen, Jokinen (should be in the 2nd liner list but regressed), Wellwood, Ponikarovsky(RIP)) and then the rest are either solid (Wright!!) or pitiful 4th liners.
We have had at minimum one 3rd pairing calibre defenseman playing in our top4 for every game this season.

I said this team needed at least one of two things to hit the playoffs, if not both:
SV% around 0.910-0.920 (I don't care if you believe it's due to goalies or players; it's a team need)[and yes I snuck in a stat]
Healthy top4 D
...So far, we have only had one for spurts (and surprise, surprise, it pushed us to 1st in SE) and the other for ~5 mins...
We've lucked out with poor play/injuries from Carolina, Tampa Bay and Washington

Not a single thing here I disagree with, well said.

With an average group like the Jets, awful stretches like this have to be expected. Might be sugar-coating on my part, but I think it's far better that they reserve those smelly performances for a team that likely won't be competing for a playoff spot, and save the good performances for those four point games.
 

Hank Chinaski

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LOL @ everyone in this thread. Try dealing with this kind of crap for 10 years, then you'll know how it feels.

This makes me happy, seeing my Thrashers in true form. You can take the Thrashers out of Atlanta but you can't take the Atlanta out of the Thrashers.

With all due respect, most posters here have followed other teams and know exactly what it's like to deal with mediocrity.

Just because some have dealt with it for a shorter period than others with this particular franchise doesn't make it any less disappointing.
 

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I'm going to do something different... No stats [ok I snuck one stat in] :O OMG!!!!

My opinion of this whole season was from the start...
We're a middle of the road team.
We have decent depth but not enough to take injuries without setbacks.
We live and die by goaltending as we're good enough to hold against any team but not good enough to dominate without it.

Now to go pseudo statistical...
We have 3 legit first liners (Kane, Ladd, Wheeler), 1 high-end second liner (Little), a slew of third liners of variable levels (Antropov, Burmistrov, Miettinen, Jokinen (should be in the 2nd liner list but regressed), Wellwood, Ponikarovsky(RIP)) and then the rest are either solid (Wright!!) or pitiful 4th liners.
We have had at minimum one 3rd pairing calibre defenseman playing in our top4 for every game this season.

I said this team needed at least one of two things to hit the playoffs, if not both:
SV% around 0.910-0.920 (I don't care if you believe it's due to goalies or players; it's a team need)[and yes I snuck in a stat]
Healthy top4 D
...So far, we have only had one for spurts (and surprise, surprise, it pushed us to 1st in SE) and the other for ~5 mins...
We've lucked out with poor play/injuries from Carolina, Tampa Bay and Washington

Totally agree, might I add, two top pairing D in Bogo and Enstrom, one second pairing D man: Buff, two bottom pairing D men; Stu and Hainsey and three AHL D men: Clitsome, Postma, Meech.
 

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I hate when we play the Caps cause I'm a big Ovy fan. I want to see him succeed and silence the haters. I just wish we could get one more than him. He had an awesome game tonight.
 

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I hate when we play the Caps cause I'm a big Ovy fan. I want to see him succeed and silence the haters. I just wish we could get one more than him. He had an awesome game tonight.

Well thank the Jets for helping get Ovi's season back on track.
 

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Totally agree, might I add, two top pairing D in Bogo and Enstrom, one second pairing D man: Buff, two bottom pairing D men; Stu and Hainsey and three AHL D men: Clitsome, Postma, Meech.

Imo we have 2 #1 dmen: Enstrom and Buff. One #2 in Bogo. One number 4 in Hainsey. A #5 in Stu and then two #7s in Postma, and Clitty and a #8 in Meech
 

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Sorry IC guys, that's Noel's PC from a couple of games ago.

Fixed it. My apology. Rushed it.

To listen to actual post-game from Coach Noel, click here.

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Game recaps, post-game audio, video highlights and the NHL.com 3 Stars of the night.

For above click here.
 
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sipowicz

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Didn't have my full attention following the game tonight, had non-hockey fan company over who kept asking if Hawerchuk still played for the Jets which led me to switch from double Goose to triples, Q: was Bruin fan in Pearn's face very long?
 

tntkid

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I was offered tickets to the Washington games & I am really glad that I declined.
I really feel sorry for the fans that had to watch that travesty live.

The schedule is getting even harder with Tampa, Carolina & Pittsburgh.

Hope we don't see a huge nose dive. :shakehead
 

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auntie mietennen is a KHL level hockey player....at best...i dont understand why he gets so much ice time, including on the first line power play...it was the same last year....i dont understand what the coaching staff sees in him.

i do sometimes wonder if Noel is the guy to inspire these guys....the biggest issue they seem to have is consistency of effort.....that is something that might fall on to the coach.....he certainly seemed to have his typical golly gee wizz attitude about being shellacked by a struggling team two nights in a row at home....maybe a young team needs a more hard line coach.

I do think they need a grizzled veteran Canadian player who can lead the team in the room...

i wish Noel would leave his lines alone for two shifts in a row sometimes....other than the first line it is an absolute merry go round right from the drop of the puck, no matter what the circumstances....tough to build chemistry.


joe mack does suck...that is a certainty.
 

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auntie mietennen is a KHL level hockey player....at best...i dont understand why he gets so much ice time, including on the first line power play...it was the same last year....i dont understand what the coaching staff sees in him.

i do sometimes wonder if Noel is the guy to inspire these guys....the biggest issue they seem to have is consistency of effort.....that is something that might fall on to the coach.....he certainly seemed to have his typical golly gee wizz attitude about being shellacked by a struggling team two nights in a row at home....maybe a young team needs a more hard line coach.

I do think they need a grizzled veteran Canadian player who can lead the team in the room...

i wish Noel would leave his lines alone for two shifts in a row sometimes....other than the first line it is an absolute merry go round right from the drop of the puck, no matter what the circumstances....tough to build chemistry.


joe mack does suck...that is a certainty.

I'm beginning to wonder if Noel is the right man for the job as well, these guys know Noel is a pushover, we need a Sutter to show these guys that two straight gutless efforts in front of a home crowd won't be tolerated.
 
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