Fire Lindy and Green, Now

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After having the night to think about it, I don't expect Lindy to be fired while we're still mathematically alive. If we drop to ~10 points back from WC2 we might see a move.

Firing Lindy means giving up on the season, because you're replacing him with an internal guy. I don't think Fitz is willing to do that while there's still "hope," even though we all know that's fool's gold and the season is already over.
This team also hasn't really had a long losing streak that would force his hand. It's been a lot of like win 2-3 in a row or 3 out of 4, then lose like 2-3 in a row or 3 out of 4 this season. Our longest losing streak this year is 3 games, which we've done 3 times, but not since mid-December. If they had like a 6-7 game losing streak instead of seemingly constant false hope performances I think Fitz might have pulled the trigger on a coaching change already.
 
How has Ruff been a coach for so long, just as a general statement? The huge majority of his coaching career has been disappointing, to say the least. I get that he seems like a good guy, but usually professional sports are very results driven.

What time do you think the announcement will be? I am flying today so might not hear it until I land.

When we miss the playoffs next year would be my guess.
 
Someone post the article since I dont want to pay $1 lmao

Here you go...Novo seems just as fed up as the rest of us. He also tweeted that he didn't get a chance to ask Ruff questions last night.

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The faint chants started late in the third period, only to be quickly outdone by the thousands of rival fans shrieking in joy as Vincent Trochek potted his goal to make it 5-0 Rangers at Prudential Center Thursday night.

“Fire Lindy! Fire Lindy!”

They weren’t nearly as loud as last year’s rendition, but the gaggle of remaining Devils fans had seen enough – and they let their coach hear it.

Lindy Ruff’s Devils, now 28-24-4 in a season that began with Stanley Cup dreams, fell to their Hudson River foes, 5-1, dropping their second straight game and the three of their last four contests in the process.

They may have out-shot New York 40-18 and dominated possession metrics, but the team’s lack of preparedness – especially on special teams – and their lagging physical edge remains an issue in the season from hell. With 26 games to go – and the Devils now five points out of a playoff spot – Ruff and Co. can’t afford to secure just moral victories.

One instance of a Devils dud is on the power play, which laid another goose egg despite 11:52 minutes (!!!) with an extra attacker on five total opportunities. Ruff and Travis Green’s man advantage unit is now 2-for-46 in their last 14 games. Aside from bodies returning from injury and the Dawson Mercer-Jesper Bratt swap tonight, Ruff has done little to fix things.

Pressed on this after the game, Ruff said he’s working with his staff on better options – and said reporters were creating “excess pressure” by asking players about the lifeless unit.

“I imagine you’ve asked every player – now they’re feeling it and you guys are creating excess pressure,” Ruff told reporters. “Us as a staff will go through that power play. We change things up, we met with individual groups tonight – as opposed to when you meet with all 10 or 11 of your guys. We’ll go through the whole thing again and just try to get better.”

One question later, Ruff stormed off, answering just nine questions despite myriad issues facing his team.

Perhaps it’s a sign: Maybe the 64-year-old coach, who, to his credit, helped surge players like Jack Hughes, Nico Hischier, Dougie Hamilton and others to career year’s last season, is out of answers in a season marred by inconsistencies, injuries and another goalie disaster.

The Devils still have talent. There’s no doubt about that. They’re sixth in expected goals percentage (53.28%), seventh in five-on-five scoring (122) and fifth in Corsi (53.16%), they finished with 92 shot attempts in Thursday’s game alone.

If this season is a wash (and we may know that answer after this weekend’s back-to-back) GM Tom Fitzgerald needs to start thinking about the future. Maybe the coach who waited until the All-Star break to tweak his defensive scheme and has barely touched his power play amid a brutal cold stretch isn’t the one to guide the Hughes brothers through their respective primes.

There’s still a great team somewhere in these Devils. They might just need a fresh voice to unlock it.

Game recap:

The Rangers beat the Devils 5-1 at Prudential Center Thursday night. Mika Zibanejad, Alexis Lafrenière (twice) and Chris Kreider scored for the Rangers, while Jack Hughes scored for New Jersey. Devils goalie Nico Daws made just 13 saves on 18 shots.

The night began with a bang when Rangers rookie Matt Rempe laid a dirty hit into Nathan Bastian along the boards at 2:25 of the first. Rempe, 21, was given a match penalty and held his hand up to his ear as he was booed off the ice and into the locker room. Bastian would return to the game near the end of the first period.

Then – surprise, surprise – the Devils failed to convert on the ensuing five-minute power play. They are now 2-46 on man advantage chances in their last 14 games.

Zibanejad capitalized on New York’s power play mere second after the Devils’ wrapped up, faking the initial shot before coasting inside and tucking it past Daws.

Lafrenière padded the Rangers’ lead with his first of the night at 17:56, scoring in close after a brutal Luke Hughes giveaway in the first period. The Devils finished with an abysmal 24 giveaways to New York’s three.

It only got worse for New Jersey once the second period opened up.

At 9:53 of the middle frame, Rangers goalie Igor Shesterkin launched a stretch pass to Artemi Panarin, who found Kreider for his 29th of the season to make it 3-0. The Devils held an 11-6 shot edge over their rivals in the second, but more flubbed power plays, turnovers and Lafrenière’s second goal of the game prolonged their beating from New York.

Once the third rolled around, Trochek and Hughes traded goals as New York coasted to its ninth win in a row.
 
I don’t really see the downside to firing him now. Can the team be any more lifeless? Can we blow opportunities to get back in this any worse than we have? They clearly need some kind of spark to have any prayer at all of going on a run. And the sad thing is it wouldn’t even take some historical run to get in, just be a few games better than some shitty teams for 20 something games.
 
Him blaming the media for the PP struggles is hilarious.

You have one of the softest media coverage experiences in the entire league and still shirk responsibilities. Imagine if Toronto was 2 for 46 on the PP. There would be riots.

This goes for Fitz too who was doing a f***ing press tour last season when things went well and can only emerge the day before two of his players leave to be arrested for ****.

There’s no accountability here.
 
I don’t agree with that at all. If anything, I think it’s the opposite. An interim guy doesn’t even need to make sweeping system changes, sometimes a new voice and personnel/accountability is all it takes for a bounce. At least in the short term.
I think studies tend to show making ANY change ends up with people being more productive in the short term.

Even if moving on from Ruff fails, it’s just moving from one failure to a different failure. I think you get a better chance of pulling out of this malaise through shaking things up.
 
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I’m very very very concerned with the seeming lack of accountability on display from the top down. Has Fitz done anything in his tenure that indicates he’s willing to lay down the law and risk his own skin to make a tough but necessary decision? Every indication seems to be that he wants to stick with ruff through thick and thin. He’s been hiding all season while the coach throws out all the excuses that no good leader should ever be heard making publicly. Blaming the barely existent Baghdad bob media in a small market for the team’s horrendous power play and refusing to answer any questions that have even the smallest hint of challenge…it’s just disgusting.

To make things even more disturbing, there may be severely inappropriate mismanagement going on with regards to player injuries and forcing them into the lineup when they shouldn’t be. How many times have we had a player get their bell rung only to be put back out there to get throttled again and then they are finally taken out? How many players do we suspect have been playing injured for weeks and months now? Lindy made a comment last night about Jack not being 100% but they need guys to contribute what they can…that certainly sounds like leadership is neglecting long term player health for perceived short term gain.

I’m really disturbed by what’s being exposed as this team underperforms.
 
I’m very very very concerned with the seeming lack of accountability on display from the top down. Has Fitz done anything in his tenure that indicates he’s willing to lay down the law and risk his own skin to make a tough but necessary decision? Every indication seems to be that he wants to stick with ruff through thick and thin. He’s been hiding all season while the coach throws out all the excuses that no good leader should ever be heard making publicly. Blaming the barely existent Baghdad bob media in a small market for the team’s horrendous power play and refusing to answer any questions that have even the smallest hint of challenge…it’s just disgusting.

To make things even more disturbing, there may be severely inappropriate mismanagement going on with regards to player injuries and forcing them into the lineup when they shouldn’t be. How many times have we had a player get their bell rung only to be put back out there to get throttled again and then they are finally taken out? How many players do we suspect have been playing injured for weeks and months now? Lindy made a comment last night about Jack not being 100% but they need guys to contribute what they can…that certainly sounds like leadership is neglecting long term player health for perceived short term gain.

I’m really disturbed by what’s being exposed as this team underperforms.
The team and FO just exudes arrogance. There's a million small things that make me think this, can't remember all of it and a lot of it is "connotation of words" stuff that gets a bit silly when trying to psychoanalyze a FO/players, but it comes across in everything:
  • How they handle the media
  • What they say on the ice
  • The stubbornness of the coaching tactics
  • How the goaltending has been managed
  • Signing McLeod (I'm on an island on this one I know)
Probably more but i'll stop while I'm behind with that McLeod comment. But beyond losing, the people pining for Zetterlund/Sharangovich I think are also irritated because those two guys were great guys to root for. They worked their ass off to make the show, seem to be incredible guys and were real finds by the organization and were dumped to make way for Meier/Toffoli who if the team were winning we'd all love I know, but no longer rooting for those two sucks to be honest, I liked those guys.

Rooting for a team this year that exudes arrogance but has won nothing, and never seemed to really have it together all year has been rough. I think it was first week of the season was the highlight? When the PP seemed utterly magical and the Devils seemed on an another level. Guess what, the other teams adjusted. They didn't just sit around and marvel at the Hughes' brothers skill for 60 games, they figured out how to neuter the team's offensive skill especially in-zone and how to exploit the defensive structure.

This is a league of the best players in the world, and NJ has elite young talent, and they need another coach to figure out to make this roster work the rest of the year, and then in the offseason Fitz needs to figure out who to keep and who let go for a new hire or possibly the interim guy that takes this team to the playoffs.
 
I think the earliest time he could be fired is Monday, if we lose the next two in regulation on home ice.

We already don't control our own destiny, a regulation loss to TBL at home would absolutely crush our WC chances. There's a world where we wake up Monday being 11 points behind Philly, 10 points behind Detroit, and 9 points behind TBL. That's basically insurmountable this late in the season without one of them having a total collapse.

Even if they lose, PHI plays PIT and TBL plays NYI. We could get leapfrogged by either/both of PIT/NYI, particularly PIT who has two games in hand on us. We're already behind Washington, we could be as low as 12th in the Conference by Monday.

We need 3 points MINIMUM, anything else kills us. I expect the crowds to be rowdy this weekend.
 
After having the night to think about it, I don't expect Lindy to be fired while we're still mathematically alive. If we drop to ~10 points back from WC2 we might see a move.

Firing Lindy means giving up on the season, because you're replacing him with an internal guy. I don't think Fitz is willing to do that while there's still "hope," even though we all know that's fool's gold and the season is already over.
Lots of coaches get fired in season not because the GM gave up on the season but to save it. Hiller in LA for example, who's getting some rave reviews at the moment. Berube in St. Louis was an interim hire.

The season can still be saved, firing Lindy is the best way to do it, even if it means an interim Travis Green it sends a significant message and maybe Green has some legit insights into how to make this roster work. This just isn't working, it's been clear for months really.
 
How has Ruff been a coach for so long, just as a general statement? The huge majority of his coaching career has been disappointing, to say the least. I get that he seems like a good guy, but usually professional sports are very results driven.



When we miss the playoffs next year would be my guess.
Old boys club. That has to be it.

SO the performance of our Power Play has been hindered due to "excess pressure" created by the media questioning them as to why the pp is so lifeless......

makes sense....
How long until he blames the fans on Twitter for putting undue pressure on the players
 
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Lots of coaches get fired in season not because the GM gave up on the season but to save it. Hiller in LA for example, who's getting some rave reviews at the moment. Berube in St. Louis was an interim hire.

The season can still be saved, firing Lindy is the best way to do it, even if it means an interim Travis Green it sends a significant message and maybe Green has some legit insights into how to make this roster work. This just isn't working, it's been clear for months really.
The last sentence is what gives me little faith it will happen and has me now questioning Fitz’s leadership, and really the leadership as a whole given how the coach and GM have handled the media amidst a disappointing season. You’ve got a guy behind the bench with no sense of urgency or willingness to make adjustments and doesn’t take responsibility for anything publicly, and a GM who has taken no action all season and has been in hiding.

I was a huge Fitz supporter going into this season. They’ve done everything possible to piss on my positive feelings since.
 
Old boys club. That has to be it.


How long until he blames the fans on Twitter for putting undue pressure on the players
I'm fairly convinced all pro sports locker rooms take an "everyone is against us" attitude. It works for bonding, and in the social media age it takes on a new form as they see truly obnoxious posts from fans, extend that outward to the entire fanbase to think the fans are against them also.

It's not unique to pro sports actually, as all major entertainment providers (filmmakers, musicians, tv, whatever) seem to have contempt for their fanbases. I'm not sure I totally blame them, having complete strangers say this stuff about you has to mess with your head. Look at me in this thread I'm advocating firing a man I've never met.

It's a weird life to be a public figure.
 
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