Fire Lindy and Green, Now

[Captain3rdLine]

They have a chance to catch TB but they lose that game Sunday, it's officially more over than it is right now. Look at their March schedule with a straight face and please tell me that they can legitimately go on a run. They've lost to some utter garbage teams to get back in the mix, even tonight was very winnable. You can keep going on about them "going on a streak" when I literally don't think they've had a long winning streak all year but yeah they'll just randomly go on one this late in the year. And a coaching in late February is the dumbest thing I've heard, who are you legitimately going to bring this late or install from this coaching staff to bring in the reigns? Travis Green who's literally managing a horrendous PP? Yeah man, that'll go over well. The time was to fire Lindy was pre ASB, it didn't happen so just move on with this year.

It doesn’t even have to be a streak. Not sure why you’re acting like new coaches sparking a team isn’t something that happens and very possible. Especially for a team where a large percentage of the team has underperformed this year and some guys drastically. I’m not sure why you’re talking about earlier in the year when the whole point is that a new face might be able to spark them.

It’s very possible. Maybe they bring someone new in and win 6 or 7 of 8 or 9 games. Certainly possible and then hopefully they could carry some momentum, make some good changes and finish strong.

This season isn’t lost regardless of what they do. Unfortunately I think they probably do need to make a coaching change and am concerned they’ll wait till it is too late to do so

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

It doesn’t even have to be a streak. Not sure why you’re acting like new coaches sparking a team isn’t something that happens and very possible. Especially for a team where a large percentage of the team has underperformed this year and some guys drastically. I’m not sure why you’re talking about earlier in the year when the whole point is that a new face might be able to spark them.

It’s very possible. Maybe they bring someone new in and win 6 or 7 of 8 or 9 games. Certainly possible and then hopefully they could carry some momentum, make some good changes and finish strong.

This season isn’t lost regardless of what they do. Unfortunately I think they probably do need to make a coaching change and am concerned they’ll wait till it is too late to do so

It's late February, it's already too f***ing late. What are we doing man? Give me a historical reference to when the last time the thing you're mentioning right now has happened and I'll bite. The closest thing you have is when Vancouver fired Bruce and brought in Tocchett late last year to get a head start for this year and that was done in JANUARY.

 

[Captain3rdLine]

It's late February, it's already too f***ing late. What are we doing man? Give me a historical reference to when the last time the thing you're mentioning right now has happened and I'll bite. The closest thing you have is when Vancouver fired Bruce and brought in Tocchett late last year to get a head start for this year and that was done in JANUARY.

Have zero interest or energy in digging through history right now. Suggesting it’s too late given where we’re at is ridiculous.

It wouldn’t take some miracle finish for us to finish in a playoff spot. Realistically we’d need to finish out the rest of the season as around a .600 team or a bit higher to make the playoffs. We were a .683 team last year. Not sure why you’re acting like it’s ridiculous to suggest a coaching change could give us a spark to the point where we could finish like that. We don’t have to go on some crazy run. Just finish strong.

I don’t know how you can look at us 5 points out with two games in hand and act like it’s impossible and unrealistic. If we win the next two games we could literally be 1 point out of a playoff spot still with games in hand still. How can you act like that is ridiculously out of reach

If there was 5 games left it would still be completely possible. We have 26 to make up the ground.

Also FYI, for that Canucks example. At the time they were a 0.423 team much further out than us. We’re a .536 team right now. Not sure if this is the disconnect in our opinions. We’re not nearly as far out as you seem to think

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Have zero interest or energy in digging through history right now. Suggesting it’s too late given where we’re at is ridiculous.

It wouldn’t take some miracle finish for us to finish in a playoff spot. Realistically we’d need to finish out the rest of the season as around a .600 team or a bit higher to make the playoffs. We were a .683 team last year. Not sure why you’re acting like it’s ridiculous to suggest a coaching change could give us a spark to the point where we could finish like that. We don’t have to go on some crazy run. Just finish strong.

I don’t know how you can look at us 5 points out with two games in hand and act like it’s impossible and unrealistic. If we win the next two games we could literally be 1 point out of a playoff spot still with games in hand still. How can you act like that is ridiculously out of reach

If there was 5 games left it would still be completely possible. We have 26 to make up the ground.

I'm not entertaining this if you can't even be serious and just saying "lolz hurr durr, it's possible". What in the mighty f*** have you watched that shows you this team can possibly turn a corner? Good night

 

[Captain3rdLine]

I'm not entertaining this if you can't even be serious and just saying "lolz hurr durr, it's possible". What in the mighty f*** have you watched that shows you this team can possibly turn a corner? Good night

Lmao the whole point of this discussion is about making a coaching change to spark the team. This team currently isn’t far at all from being a playoff team and certainly has talent to be one. A good coaching change that improves them could very well put them in a really good spot this season.

You don’t think a coaching change can help them turn a corner? I’m really confused at what the basis for your argument. You were acting like they mathematically have very little chance when if you actually look at the standings they’re still pretty darn close. And then you compared them to a .423 team (vs .536) that was wayy further out. I have no clue what your actual argument is but it seems to be almost entirely based on emotions and just saying everything is lost and there’s no chance.

As I added above. If they win their next two games, they could literally be one point out of the playoffs with games in hand.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Lmao the whole point of this discussion is that make a coaching change to spark the team. This team currently isn’t far from a playoff team and certainly has talent. A coaching change that improves them could very well put them in a really good spot.

You don’t think a coaching change can help them turn a corner? I’m really confused at what the basis for your argument. You were acting like they mathematically have very little chance when if you actually look at the standings they’re still pretty darn close. And you compared them to a .423 team (vs .536) that was wayy further out. I have no clue what your actual argument is but it seems to be almost entirely based on emotions and just saying everything is lost and there’s no chance.

Because you're the most insincere poster on this board. I asked you the last time your identical scenario played out in NHL history so I can legitimately believe it and you just hit me with the "lol I don't care enough to research it right now". Like what is that? It's not up to me to prove your shitty argument or buy any of it. This team has strung together 2-3 3 game win streaks the whole damn year yet you think they'll randomly string a win streak by firing their coach in late February when teams like the Kings/Blues did it months ago and have steered their teams into playoffs spots. Give me a break man

 

[Captain3rdLine]

Because you're the most insincere poster on this board. I asked you the last time your identical scenario played in NHL history so I can legitimately believe it and you just hit me with the "lol I don't care enough to research it right now". Like what is that? It's not up to me to prove your shitty argument or buy any of it. This team has strung together 2-3 3 game win streaks the whole damn year yet you think they'll randomly string a win streak by firing their coach in late February when teams like the Kings/Blues did it months ago and have steered their teams into playoffs spots. Give me a break man

There’s nothing insincere about that. It’s completely honest and you’re request was stupid and involved you comparing them to a team way worse off then them at the time. That Vancouver team could’ve gone on an 10 game win streak and still would’ve been behind the devils at the same point of the season. Again as I added above. They could literally win their next two games and be a point out of the playoffs with games in hand. Not sure what’s impossible about that. They’re already extremely close to being a playoff team with all the issues they’ve had.

They have 26 games to make up a point difference that could reasonably be made up in 4 - 6 games.

Give yourself a break man

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

There’s nothing insincere about that. It’s completely honest and you’re request was stupid and involved you comparing them to a team way worse off then them at the time. That Vancouver team could’ve gone on an 10 game win streak and still would’ve been behind the devils at the same point of the season. Again as I added above. They could literally win their next two games and be a point out of the playoffs with games in hand. Not sure what’s impossible about that. They’re already extremely close to being a playoff team with all the issues they’ve had.

They have 26 games to make up a point difference that could reasonably be made up in 4 - 6 games.

Give yourself a break man

Please take a reading comp class if you think I was comparing the Devils/Vancouver teams, I was comparing the situations that you said firing a coach this late in the year to give them a boost to make the playoffs. It's never happened so obviously you can't research it, teams don't f***ing fire coaches this late in the year. And teams who do fire coaches this late are looking forward head start to the following season. And lmao ok, the team that hasn't strung a W4-5 all year will randomly do it one of their toughest stretches. My god are you out to lunch.

 

[Captain3rdLine]

Please take a reading comp class if you think I was comparing the Devils/Vancouver teams, I was comparing the situations that you said firing a coach this late in the year to give them a boost to make the playoffs. It's never happened so obviously you can't research it, teams don't f***ing fire coaches this late in the year. And teams who do fire coaches this late are looking forward head start to the following season. And lmao ok, the team that hasn't strung a W4-5 all year will randomly do it one of their toughest stretches. My god are you out to lunch.

No you quite literally compared them. I’m not researching it one, because that info would be very time consuming to research and two because it’s almost 3am and quite frankly I don’t feel like it or think it provides much value lol. I also don’t doubt at all that it’s a rare situation. Almost certainly because teams don’t ever fire their coach when they are this close to a playoff spot with 26 games to go. Unfortunately it’s unlikely we do too.

What it really comes down to is do you not think a new coach can give the team a spark or improve the team at all? Because it wouldn’t take much improvement to put us in the playoffs.

They won’t need to win 4-5 in a row. As I said they have 26 games still. I wouldn’t be saying anyone else is out to lunch if I were you.

 

[kiwidevil]

Someone do the orangatan "where Fitz" meme. It's our only hope.

 

[Killing Joke]

Berube?

Woodcroft?

Woodcroft. Berube actually sucks.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Woodcroft. Berube actually sucks.

I was banging on the table for him earlier in the year when Edmonton let him go but whatever.

 

[PizzaAndPucks]

Woodcroft. Berube actually sucks.

A cup winning coach who literally turned a team around mid season sucks ?

 

[Bcap88]

Lindy really said “excess pressure” from the media is why the power play is struggling

 

[Bcap88]

Guy has coached 1700 games and consistently gets tuned out by his teams almost every term

1700 f***ing games and 66 PLAYOFF wins

That’s terrible

@sabremike i know you speak highly of him but it’s time to realize he has jumped the shark about a decade ago

The Walmart version of Ken Hitchcock

 

[theoptimist]

A+ blazer, very neat

 

[BurntToast]

They lost 3 in a row twice in Nov with only a win against the Pens separating losing streaks.

He would of been fired by most if they lost 7 in a row. That Pens game saved him.

 

[StevensRocks]

Everybody having a down year. But not on the coach?
Team isn't ready to play on a nightly basis.
Poor development of Holtz...

 

[AfroThunder396]

After having the night to think about it, I don't expect Lindy to be fired while we're still mathematically alive. If we drop to ~10 points back from WC2 we might see a move.

Firing Lindy means giving up on the season, because you're replacing him with an internal guy. I don't think Fitz is willing to do that while there's still "hope," even though we all know that's fool's gold and the season is already over.

 

[NJDevs26]

After having the night to think about it, I don't expect Lindy to be fired while we're still mathematically alive. If we drop to ~10 points back from WC2 we might see a move.

Firing Lindy means giving up on the season, because you're replacing him with an internal guy. I don't think Fitz is willing to do that while there's still "hope," even though we all know that's fool's gold and the season is already over.

We don’t know what would cause Fitz to actually fire a coach because he’s never done it. Or shown any kind of inclination to hold himself or anyone else accountable

 

[Peter Sidorkiewicz]

Berube?

Woodcroft?

I would go with Berube. He has won a cup and knows what to do when taking over a team mid season

 

[Peter Sidorkiewicz]

Someone post the article since I dont want to pay $1 lmao

Just download nj.com devils app

 

[Jersey Fresh]

After having the night to think about it, I don't expect Lindy to be fired while we're still mathematically alive. If we drop to ~10 points back from WC2 we might see a move.

Firing Lindy means giving up on the season, because you're replacing him with an internal guy. I don't think Fitz is willing to do that while there's still "hope," even though we all know that's fool's gold and the season is already over.

I don’t agree with that at all. If anything, I think it’s the opposite. An interim guy doesn’t even need to make sweeping system changes, sometimes a new voice and personnel/accountability is all it takes for a bounce. At least in the short term.

 

[Unknown Caller]

I don’t agree with that at all. If anything, I think it’s the opposite. An interim guy doesn’t even need to make sweeping system changes, sometimes a new voice and personnel/accountability is all it takes for a bounce. At least in the short term.

Do you really think Travis Green or Kevin Dineen would make a remote difference?

The only internal guy I think could actually be interesting is Brylin, but I don't see them handing it over to a guy who doesn't even stand behind the bench nevermind have experience running a bench.

Unfortunately, Fitzgerald is going to ride this out until the offseason and then reevaluate with time and options. Maybe they get lucky and have a Sullivan or Cooper available in the summer.

 

[Jersey Fresh]

Do you really think Travis Green or Kevin Dineen would make a remote difference?

The only internal guy I think could actually be interesting is Brylin, but I don't see them handing it over to a guy who doesn't even stand behind the bench nevermind have experience running a bench.

Unfortunately, Fitzgerald is going to ride this out until the offseason and then reevaluate with time and options. Maybe they get lucky and have a Sullivan or Cooper available in the summer.

I do. I think by virtue of making the move you send an unmistakable message to the room. A tweak here or there personnel-wise might have more effect than you think. I don’t think those guys are long-term solutions, but right now the short-term goal is making the playoffs.

Persisting with this guy is the white flag move, not firing him.