Fire Lindy and Green, Now

[SteveCangialosi123]

Because we essentially got a free asset out of the deal and if we didn't retain on Tanev, some other club surely would've and benefitted instead of us.

Fitz will have so much egg on his face once we go on a miracle run and meet Dallas in the cup. Loser!

 

[minibrodeur]

What's everyone think about Joel Quennville? Prob not the best PR move but undoubtedly a good coach. Honestly not sure I like the available options out there ATM.

 

[JimEIV]

What's everyone think about Joel Quennville? Prob not the best PR move but undoubtedly a good coach. Honestly not sure I like the available options out there ATM.

He's like the Sony Discman. Really cool when it came out but not so much today.

 

[BurntToast]

What's everyone think about Joel Quennville? Prob not the best PR move but undoubtedly a good coach. Honestly not sure I like the available options out there ATM.

No way. I need this team to stay away from any controversy regarding sexual assaults. Its bad enough the Devils had two out of the five in the Hockey Canada scandal.

 

[MartyOwns]

January 22nd against Vegas we won 6-5 in OT

Here is the defense we used in order of minutes played

Luke Hughes 26:16 - 2 NHL games of experience before this season

John Marino 23:26 (currently 310 games)

Simon Nemec 21:14 0 NHL games of experience before this season

Kevin Bahl 18:51 66 NHL games of experience before this season

Santeri Hatakka 17:22 9 NHL games of experience before this season

Cal Foote 11:30 145 NHL games of experience before this season


Pietrangelo(1006), Martinez(805) and McNabb(717) each individually have more games played than our entire defense that night.



Vitek 27 saves on 32 shots .844 SV%

The narrative: Vitek sucks and Lindy's fault

inexperienced defensemen don’t have to suck, they just need to be put in a position to succeed (which ruff hasn’t done). you don’t think a guy like torts could make that defense work?

 

[JimEIV]

inexperienced defensemen don’t have to suck, they just need to be put in a position to succeed (which ruff hasn’t done). you don’t think a guy like torts could make that defense work?

No I don't think any coach could make that defense work. God couldn't make that defense work.

 

[Guttersniped]

What's everyone think about Joel Quennville? Prob not the best PR move but undoubtedly a good coach. Honestly not sure I like the available options out there ATM.

If you read the law firm’s investigation of how Chicago handled Beach’s sexual assault you wouldn’t be suggesting Quennville.


So what do I think? It would be an unacceptable choice and he should never coach in the NHL after what he did.

 

[JimEIV]

If you read the law firm’s investigation of how Chicago handled Beach’s sexual assault you wouldn’t be suggesting Quennville.


So what do I think? It would be an unacceptable choice and he should never coach in the NHL after what he did.

I don't know the details.

But did he turn a blind eye or participate in a cover up? What was his role other than being there?

 

[Guttersniped]

Nobody would've been yelling fire the coach in 2020 or 2021 while so many of the young forwards looked like preschool kids playing with blocks in the middle of the floor...

But now we are having a hard time admitting that the defense is in the exact same position as the forwards were then. Deny it all you want it doesn't change it though.

And a coaching change isn't going to change it either.

This team looks terrible right now. I don’t like anything about the way we play. Nothing.

I had some issues with the system last year but I understood what they were going for in terms of possession and rush offense.

It took time for the team to get going last year too, but this time nothing came together.

And yes all these things contributed 1) injuries 2) roster changes 3) bad goaltending 4) losing Brunette.

But the “system changes” to simplify how we play means we have no functional system. I don’t even know what the team is supposed to be playing like if everything is going well.

And I’m talking about the forwards here. The all-rush defense hit a wall and Ruff doesn’t have a lot of answers beyond that.

They can’t have Ruff as coach next year.

We struggled a lot under him, they need a new start with a new coach. Firing Hynes was the right move too and we didn’t win immediately after that either.

NHL coaching is a results-oriented business and it’s not about being fair to the coach.

I don’t f***ing care about arguing some hypothetical imaginary scenarios of how other coaches would do.

What matters is watching are players run into each other in the ice, letting the other team have offense all day while no longer creating enough quality shots for us.

We got healthier and both our underlying metrics and actual GF/GA is dreadful right now. Coaches get fired for that, that’s how the NHL works.

I honestly got the cup as a joke but the Tampa game broke me, at times we had 4 guys out instead of 5 when were 5v5. The coaching staff were zombies behind the bench. f*** that shit.

 

[minibrodeur]

If you read the law firm’s investigation of how Chicago handled Beach’s sexual assault you wouldn’t be suggesting Quennville.


So what do I think? It would be an unacceptable choice and he should never coach in the NHL after what he did.

I have read the investigation, this wasn't meant to come across as a suggestion but an inquiry as not everyone has the same opinion. He still hasn't been officially reinstated by the league. I didn't expect positive responses but I also wouldn't be shocked if he coached again.

 

[HBK27]

Can't see Fitz going after JQ fresh off the bad PR surrounding McLeod and Foote.

I'd be surprised if he coached again in this league.

 

[Guttersniped]

I don't know the details.

But did he turn a blind eye or participate in a cover up? What was his role other than being there?

Beach told a an employee about what happened and they told management.

Upper management, all the big dogs, had a meeting about it. They called in Quenneville.

Quenneville got upset at the idea of losing his rapist video coach before the playoffs and reminded them how Hawks haven’t been winners forever etc

So they decided not to tell HR and keep him employed the rest of the season and grotesquely, horrifically gaslit Beach instead.

And the report suggested the video coach, Brad Aldrich, had victimized another Black Ace but the other victim wasn’t very open with their investigators. In Nov 2023 another Black Ace sued the Hawks and if you read the report, it’s not a surprise.

Oh, and Aldrich drunkenly sexually harrassed/molested a college intern in a cab during the Stanley Cup celebrations. The intern never told the team because Aldrich made it sound like his dad was an important guy in the NHL.

Aldrich is grade A abuser, really excels at preying on young people. He also works a lot with male college interns in his post-NHL business, when he’s not mysteriously getting fired from places or getting accused of raping a high-school student.

And Upper Management let this monster work with black aces and college interns because Quenneville couldn’t live without his video coach.

So yeah, I’m not a Joel Quenneville fan.

The police called after the high school student assault for information about Aldrich and the Hawks told them to get a warrant. f*** all of those monsters.

 

[JimEIV]

Beach told a an employee about what happened and they told management.

Upper management, all the big dogs, had a meeting about it. They called in Quenneville.

Quenneville got upset at the idea of losing his rapist video coach before the playoffs and reminded them how Hawks haven’t been winners forever etc

So they decided not to tell HR and keep him employed the rest of the season and grotesquely, horrifically gaslit Beach instead.

And the report suggested the video coach, Brad Aldrich, had victimized another Black Ace but he wouldn’t say it to their investigators. In Nov 2023 another Black Ace sued the Hawks and if you read the report, it’s not a surprise.

Oh, and Aldrich drunkenly sexually harrassed/molested a college intern in a cab during the Stanley Cup celebrations. The intern never told the team because Aldrich made it sound like his dad was an important guy in the NHL.

Aldrich is grade A abuser, really excels at preying on young people. He also works a lot with male college interns in his post-NHL business, when he’s not mysteriously getting fired from places or getting accused of raping a high-school student.

And Upper Management let this monster work with black aces and college interns because Quenneville couldn’t live without his video coach.

So yeah, I’m not a Joel Quenneville fan.

The police called about the high school student and the Hawks told them to get a warrant. f*** all of those monsters.

I was reading your post and this memory just shot into my head...Just now, like an acid flashback.

In 2009 on St. Patrick's Day when Brodeur broke Roy's record. I sat next to a youngish girl with short-ish bobbed dark hair, she was subtly cheering for the Hawks. She was dressed well and looked more like she was ready to go out for dinner than be at a hockey game. I would guess she was around 24/25 years old.

I asked politely Hawks fan she said yes...and we started talking about the Hawks. She was very knowledgeable about their system and was basically bragging. So I felt the need to make a snide joke about Cam Barker being a great pick. And I said to her, you know a lot about prospects and she said "yeah well, my boyfriend is a video coach for the team"

I wonder who I was talking to? I wonder if she was telling the truth? If I saw her face I think I would remember it... pretty nondescript, nothing out of the ordinary but I remember faces really well.

 

[RSeen]

inexperienced defensemen don’t have to suck, they just need to be put in a position to succeed (which ruff hasn’t done). you don’t think a guy like torts could make that defense work?

We have 3 inexperienced Dmen and are missing Dougie. This is for sure a roster composition issue. Who plays more minutes? Siegs who has had a poor season?

I'm not a fan of the PP and the forward combos this year, but the defensemen on the roster is not Lindy's fault. Now playing Smith over Miller at times has been an issue.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

We have 3 inexperienced Dmen and are missing Dougie. This is for sure a roster composition issue. Who plays more minutes? Siegs who has had a poor season?

I'm not a fan of the PP and the forward combos this year, but the defensemen on the roster is not Lindy's fault. Now playing Smith over Miller at times has been an issue.

how many teams can overcome the loss of a 20 goal/70 point 20 minute/night DMan better than what NJ has this year with Nemec stepping into Hamilton's role?

I'll let you list them off.

 

[Oneiro]

Despite the kids being talented, we lost some transition acumen with Dougie being out and Severson being gone. With time it won’t matter but you’re not really seeing as many clean exits this year. We are missing Dougie’s ability to become a fourth forward and Sevo’s first pass. Luke and Nemec look great when they have confidence but it’s not close to what it was last year.

You add slower forwards on top of that and we basically negated one of our best assets which was turning things back on teams quickly and skating them into the ground.

 

[Bleedred]

I was reading your post and this memory just shot into my head...Just now, like an acid flashback.

In 2009 on St. Patrick's Day when Brodeur broke Roy's record. I sat next to a youngish girl with short-ish bobbed dark hair, she was subtly cheering for the Hawks. She was dressed well and looked more like she was ready to go out for dinner than be at a hockey game. I would guess she was around 24/25 years old.

I asked politely Hawks fan she said yes...and we started talking about the Hawks. She was very knowledgeable about their system and was basically bragging. So I felt the need to make a snide joke about Cam Barker being a great pick. And I said to her, you know a lot about prospects and she said "yeah well, my boyfriend is a video coach for the team"

I wonder who I was talking to? I wonder if she was telling the truth? If I saw her face I think I would remember it... pretty nondescript, nothing out of the ordinary but I remember faces really well.

His father is actually the head equipment manager for the Sharks. He’s been there for close to 30 years now. I’ve met him before, because I’ve been invited to Sharks practices in Tampa, due to my connection with my friend who works for them and has also gotten to know the elder Aldrich and is very close with him.

By all means he seems like a nice guy. I don’t think one should be crucified for something their children or a parent did. Not everybody inherited these things from their parent or someone that close in the bloodline.

I felt bad when the Sharks media started asking then-coach Bob Boughner about him after this all went down.

I have a very ugly, sick, twisted, demented, racist, homophobic, sociopathic, child molester father, who I’m a bit sad hasn’t kicked the bucket yet and outlived a lot of others who I wish were still here.

Obviously, I didn’t come out normal.

But I also didn’t inherit any of those unacceptable and horrifying traits.

 

[Guttersniped]

I was reading your post and this memory just shot into my head...Just now, like an acid flashback.

In 2009 on St. Patrick's Day when Brodeur broke Roy's record. I sat next to a youngish girl with short-ish bobbed dark hair, she was subtly cheering for the Hawks. She was dressed well and looked more like she was ready to go out for dinner than be at a hockey game. I would guess she was around 24/25 years old.

I asked politely Hawks fan she said yes...and we started talking about the Hawks. She was very knowledgeable about their system and was basically bragging. So I felt the need to make a snide joke about Cam Barker being a great pick. And I said to her, you know a lot about prospects and she said "yeah well, my boyfriend is a video coach for the team"

I wonder who I was talking to? I wonder if she was telling the truth? If I saw her face I think I would remember it... pretty nondescript, nothing out of the ordinary but I remember faces really well.

This is from Aldrich’s Elite Prospects page:


The Team USA mention reminds of a devastating part of the report. Gary was the Hawks’ Team Psychologist:

Gary recalled a counseling session with John Doe at Gary’s private office during the 2010-2011 season. Gary recalled that John Doe did not seem interested in speaking about Aldrich. Gary recalled that he told John Doe to contact the Director of Human Resources if Aldrich tried to contact him.

John Doe also recalled counseling sessions with Gary at Gary’s private office, but had a different memory of the tone and content of the sessions. John Doe recalled that the sessions were mandated by the Blackhawks and that he spoke to Gary about his girlfriend and hockey. During the last session, John Doe recalled that Gary said John Doe was partially at fault for what happened between John Doe and Aldrich. John Doe recalled Gary saying that he put himself in the situation and John Doe knew he should not have gone to Aldrich’s apartment. John Doe recalled telling Gary that Gary was protecting the Blackhawks and Aldrich. John Doe recalled that Gary was upset by this comment, asked John Doe how he could think that, and told John Doe that he had been doing his job for years.

When John Doe learned that Aldrich was working with USA Hockey in late 2010, he called his confidant. When interviewed, the confidant recalled that John Doe was upset that Aldrich appeared to have a position with USA Hockey. The confidant recalled John Doe stating that whether he was at fault or not for what had occurred to him, John Doe did not want Aldrich “doing this” to other people, in particular “kids,” and asked the confidant to help. The confidant recalled contacting Bowman, MacIsaac, or both, for a second time in late 2010 or early 2011 regarding Aldrich’s work with USA Hockey.

“The confidant recalled John Doe stating that whether he was at fault or not for what had occurred to him” is just haunting. I doubt the Hawks paid nearly enough money to Beach for what they did to him.

It would have been nice if someone other than Beach cared about what this guy did before he ended up in that High School in 2013-14.

 

[JimEIV]

His father is actually the head equipment manager for the Sharks. He’s been there for close to 30 years now. I’ve met him before, because I’ve been invited to Sharks practices in Tampa, due to my connection with my friend who works for them and has also gotten to know the elder Aldrich and is very close with him.

By all means he seems like a nice guy. I don’t think one should be crucified for something their children or a parent did. Not everybody inherited these things from their parent or someone that close in the bloodline.

I felt bad when the Sharks media started asking then-coach Bob Boughner about him after this all went down.

I have a very ugly, sick, twisted, demented, racist, homophobic, sociopathic, child molester father, who I’m a bit sad hasn’t kicked the bucket yet and outlived a lot of others who I wish were still here.

Obviously, I didn’t come out normal.

But I also didn’t inherit any of those unacceptable and horrifying traits.

I wonder if Ryan McLeod is being asked questions? I'd imagine being in Edmonton there's a lot of aggressive media?

 

[Bleedred]

I wonder if Ryan McLeod is being asked questions? I'd imagine being in Edmonton there's a lot of aggressive media?

I’m going to say probably not, if not only because his case is a pending legal one.

 

[Guttersniped]

His father is actually the head equipment manager for the Sharks. He’s been there for close to 30 years now. I’ve met him before, because I’ve been invited to Sharks practices in Tampa, due to my connection with my friend who works for them and has also gotten to know the elder Aldrich and is very close with him.

By all means he seems like a nice guy. I don’t think one should be crucified for something their children or a parent did. Not everybody inherited these things from their parent or someone that close in the bloodline.

I felt bad when the Sharks media started asking then-coach Bob Boughner about him after this all went down.

I have a very ugly, sick, twisted, demented, racist, homophobic, sociopathic, child molester father, who I’m a bit sad hasn’t kicked the bucket yet and outlived a lot of others who I wish were still here.

Obviously, I didn’t come out normal.

But I also didn’t inherit any of those unacceptable and horrifying traits.

This is the NHL, that connection is how he got the Hawks job.

At the time, Aldrich was the Coordinator of Hockey Operations/Video Coordinator for the
University of Notre Dame Hockey Team. The General Manager for the Blackhawks at the time, Dale Tallon, received a message from an individual affiliated with the San Jose Sharks, another NHL team, recommending that Tallon look out for Aldrich’s resume. Tallon recalled that after receiving the message from the Sharks, he received Aldrich’s resume. Other witnesses recalled that Tallon was friends with the General Manager of the Sharks and that Aldrich’s father was the Sharks’ equipment manager. The then-Director of Human Resources recalled that Tallon arranged Aldrich’s interview for the video coach position.

This is the section on the intern and I highlighted when Aldrich’s dad was mentioned. The NHL is all about who you know, even equipment managers. (His dad’s brother is a Team USA equipment manager, starting in 2011-12.)

1. Aldrich Touches A Blackhawks Employee

One Front Office paid intern, a male employee who was twenty-two years old at the time, recalled when interviewed that Aldrich texted him to meet Aldrich and the Blackhawks team for celebrations in downtown Chicago on the evening of June 10. The employee recalled that he met Aldrich at the Haymarket bar on Randolph Street at 8 or 9 p.m. After about an hour, the employee recalled traveling with Aldrich and two Blackhawks players in a car to Stanley’s, a bar in the Lincoln Park neighborhood of Chicago, staying for an hour, and then traveling to a third bar in the Wrigleyville neighborhood of Chicago. The employee recalled that, at around 1 a.m., he shared a taxi with Aldrich and a third person. The taxi dropped the third person off first, and then went to Aldrich’s apartment building to drop off Aldrich.

The employee recalled that when he and Aldrich arrived at Aldrich’s apartment building, Aldrich asked if the employee wanted to go upstairs to Aldrich’s apartment for a drink. The employee recalled saying “no.” The employee recalled Aldrich asking the employee a second time if the employee wanted to go upstairs to Aldrich’s apartment for a drink, which the employee again declined. Then, the employee recalled that Aldrich put his hand on the employee’s “crotch” at the same time that he asked, in a suggestive manner, if the employee wanted to go upstairs. The employee stated that Aldrich did not mention anything about a drink during this third statement, and it was clear to the employee that the request was sexual in nature. The employee recalled responding “What the f***?! No.” The employee recalled that Aldrich then threw money down for the taxi and went into his apartment building. The employee continued to his residence in the taxi. Four other entry-level Front Office employees recalled the employee telling them directly in 2010 that Aldrich propositioned this employee while the two were in a taxi. Five other Front Office employees recalled hearing about the incident from others in 2010. We uncovered no evidence that any of these nine employees reported the incident to Human Resources.

When interviewed, the employee recalled texting Aldrich when he woke up the next morning and questioning Aldrich’s actions in the taxi. The employee recalled that Aldrich apologized and said he was drunk, that “no one knows, please don’t tell,” and that “people like me kill themselves where I’m from.” The employee understood that Aldrich was coming out to him as gay. The employee recalled that he felt bad for Aldrich. The employee recalled that his response to Aldrich was that he would not tell anyone.

The employee stated when interviewed that he did not feel the need to report the incident to the Blackhawks, where he was still employed at the time, and in fact did not report the incident to Human Resources or anyone in senior
management. The employee further explained that Aldrich apologized and the employee “chalked it up to a drunken mistake.” The employee also recalled that he did not want to say anything about Aldrich’s proposition to anyone, including to Blackhawks management, because the employee knew that Aldrich’s father worked for the San Jose Sharks. The employee wanted to ensure that Aldrich would serve as a reference for him for future employment in the hockey industry and did not want to risk Aldrich or Aldrich’s father being an issue for a future job.

The employee further stated when interviewed that, after the incident, he told a fellow entry-level Front Office employee what happened in the taxi with Aldrich and how Aldrich had “come on to” him. The employee stated that his relationship with Aldrich was awkward for some time after the incident, but that they continued to frequent bars along with other Front Office employees. In the early fall of 2010, at Aldrich’s invitation, the employee along with one other employee traveled to Houghton, Michigan to participate in Aldrich hosting the Stanley Cup in Aldrich’s hometown.

Aldrich stated that, while he remembered traveling with the Stanley Cup around Chicago on June 10, 2010, and while he did not deny that an interaction with this employee occurred, he did not recall taking a taxi home with a Front Office intern, propositioning or grabbing an employee in a sexual manner while in the taxi, or having a conversation with an employee about his sexual orientation.

On June 11, a parade was held in Chicago in honor of the Blackhawks’ Stanley Cup win. John Doe recalled seeing Aldrich at the parade.

 

[Its Always Sundstrom]

This is from Aldrich’s Elite Prospects page:
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The Team USA mention reminds of a devastating part of the report. Gary was the Hawks’ Team Psychologist:


“The confidant recalled John Doe stating that whether he was at fault or not for what had occurred to him” is just haunting. I doubt the Hawks paid nearly enough money to Beach for what they did to him.

It would have been nice if someone other than Beach cared about what this guy did before he ended up in that High School in 2013-14.

The reward? Connor Bedard. f*** that whole
org, the jackass owner and Bettman for how it was handled and the end results.

 

[forceten]

I have a very ugly, sick, twisted, demented, racist, homophobic, sociopathic, child molester father, who I’m a bit sad hasn’t kicked the bucket yet and outlived a lot of others who I wish were still here.

Obviously, I didn’t come out normal.

But I also didn’t inherit any of those unacceptable and horrifying traits.

I'm so sorry to learn this and for what it's worth we think you're pretty cool and enjoy having you around here, so obviously, your father's misdeeds didn't damage you too much.

Abusive or neglectful parents suck, especially when they survive the good ones. You're not alone in that.

 

[My3Sons]

His father is actually the head equipment manager for the Sharks. He’s been there for close to 30 years now. I’ve met him before, because I’ve been invited to Sharks practices in Tampa, due to my connection with my friend who works for them and has also gotten to know the elder Aldrich and is very close with him.

By all means he seems like a nice guy. I don’t think one should be crucified for something their children or a parent did. Not everybody inherited these things from their parent or someone that close in the bloodline.

I felt bad when the Sharks media started asking then-coach Bob Boughner about him after this all went down.

I have a very ugly, sick, twisted, demented, racist, homophobic, sociopathic, child molester father, who I’m a bit sad hasn’t kicked the bucket yet and outlived a lot of others who I wish were still here.

Obviously, I didn’t come out normal.

But I also didn’t inherit any of those unacceptable and horrifying traits.

You are the most goalieist goaliephobic person I know. Shame on you.

 

[forceten]

You are the most goalieist goaliephobic person I know. Shame on you.

When he was a kid he'd rage at his buddy's shooter tutor that they used for street hockey. "IT'S JUNK! WET CARDBOARD! IT SMELLS LIKE YOUR GRANDMA'S BASEMENT LARRY! IT CAN'T EVEN STOP A HOCKEY BALL! HOW AM I GOING TO GET GREAT SHOOTING AT THIS DEAD, FINISHED, COOKED THING? KEEP DRAGGING OUT THE CREMAINS OF A DECENT TUTOR LARRY! MAYBE ITS FINE FOR KIDS ON SAWGRASS PLACE BUT IT WILL NEVER WORK HERE! AND YOU KNOW TH--- CAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"