Fire Ken Holland: 2022-2023 edition

[Weitz]

The D is a pretty poor collection and bottom 6 skill identification is poor too. Can’t argue with that.

JP, yamo, and McLeod are ok players. But can only go so long and provide no offence.

 

[TheNumber4]

LOL most of that is okay except Ghostbear. Why are we trading for a 4th forward on defence? Guy can’t defend minor league guys let alone NHLers.

I’m threw Ghost in cause it’s a realistic trade and not some pipe dream. Yotes can retain as well and it doesn’t phase them. Personally, I like what he does for the Yotes. He’s their best defenceman. He looks more impressive than Chychrun. And Philly fans miss him.

I’m open to suggestions though, with the cap savings from those other moves it opens up a lot of opportunity to fit a guy in, but are they available on the trade market? We see Gavrikov suggested a lot but does Yarmo trade him?

 

[MessierII]

Ghost is a PP specialist why are we even discussing him?

 

[Spawn]

For all the "laugh" responses to the original post, which part is incorrect?

And no folks, we aren't 12 games in. We're 4 years in.

 

[MessierII]

For all the "laugh" responses to the original post, which part is incorrect?

And no folks, we aren't 12 games in. We're 4 years in.

Last season was about as successful as you could ask. What do you want?

 

[Spawn]

Last season was about as successful as you could ask. What do you want?

I think I laid out what I want in the original post.

Not to have the exact same holes the team had when Holland took over and all things that prevent the Oilers from being a genuine contender. The Oilers won 2 rounds last year great. They got swept once they played a true contender.

 

[MessierII]

They got swept once they played a true contender.

They got swept once they played the champs and one of the most dominant champs ever.

 

[Spawn]

They got swept once they played the champs and one of the most dominant champs ever.

You can be satisfied with it. I'm not. Especially since Holland didn't do anything to address the issues which saw the Oilers get swept.

 

[Soundwave]

I think I laid out what I want in the original post.

Not to have the exact same holes the team had when Holland took over and all things that prevent the Oilers from being a genuine contender. The Oilers won 2 rounds last year great. They got swept once they played a true contender.

Colorado was more than a just a contender ... or even a "good team", they were a great team.

No one was beating them last year, but that is the bar and yes you are right ... the Oilers can't be content with just making it as far as Colorado. We have to build a team that is capable of beating them, participation ribbons for making a Conference Finals aren't good enough going forward.

But for that to happen we need several upgrades.

 

[Spawn]

Colorado was more than a just a contender ... or even a "good team", they were a great team.

No one was beating them last year, but that is the bar and yes you are right ... the Oilers can't be content with just making it as far as Colorado. We have to build a team that is capable of beating them, participation ribbons for making a Conference Finals aren't good enough going forward.

But for that to happen we need several upgrades.

The Oilers were an afterthought for Colorado. At least Tampa and St. Louis were able to take them to 6.

 

[GOilers88]

So which one of you clowns eats the fruit at the end?

 

[AddyTheWrath]

I think I laid out what I want in the original post.

Not to have the exact same holes the team had when Holland took over and all things that prevent the Oilers from being a genuine contender. The Oilers won 2 rounds last year great. They got swept once they played a true contender.

Exact same holes? Our top 6 forwards when Holland arrived were McD, Drai and RNH. Now we have Kane and Hyman.

 

[McDNicks17]

I feel like we might be at the point where only throwing $5M+ at UFAs to add players to the team might be catching up to him.

 

[snag]

I've been really meh on Holland. I know he does some good moves, that's not really the problem obviously. When he does a bad move, it just undoes all the good. It's going to take a lot to stomach Campbell's contract for another 5 years. We really needed Broberg to be ready sooner rather than later.

I don't understand why they throw term with good cash at guys who haven't proven it...

 

[SnipeShowJB11]

I am trying to see how our bottom 6 stacks up compared to other teams main bottom 6 lineups.

From what I see, Edmonton's bottom 6 has:

Edmonton - 6G 6A 12P

Toronto - 12G 7A 19P

Boston - 15G 17A 32P

Calgary - 9G 12A 21P

Carolina - 5G 14A 19P

Colorado - 6G 4A 10P

Dallas - 9G 12A 21P

LA - 15G 23A 38P

NJ- 15G 19A 34P

We are Atrocious in the bottom 6. Year after year

 

[Mr Positive]

Just like last year when I wanted Ken fired, I stopped short at saying he should be fired.

Just like last time, my stance is that he will be judged on the results. So far these results are bad, but the only results that truly matter are playoffs.

Last year he earned some leash by the conference finals appearance. However the standard is crazy high for this team. So we need to do that again and look good doing it

 

[duul]

Imagine if we went with the rumoured + obvious moves? Adding Kubalik + Domi + not singing Campbell. Lmao.

Holland saw us get massacred in the semifinals and what did he do this offseason? Did he make an attempt to improve our lineup in any way, shape, or form?

Compare our roster to the one that lost to Colorado. We moved out one sieve for another. Anything else? We are nowhere closer to being a contender than we were last playoffs. An entire offseason to make trades and signings to improve the team, as is his job. Numerous glaring weaknesses.

Not a single one filled.

 

[Mr Kot]

I don't understand why they throw term with good cash at guys who haven't proven it...

Probably desperation to get a cup before they need to re-sign the big boys. If we don't get any further by the time they do need new contracts, I would like someone other than Holland to sign those.

 

[Soundwave]

Schwartz needs to be fired if Campbell doesn't get it going soon, he is the one who said he personally scouted both Campbell and Kuemper and pushed for Campbell.

Now I think Soup will improve his play and all that, but still why is Schwartz being given all these chances? Can this guy, not one goalie has developed well here under him.

Can't we just hire Ranford or Fuhr, or shit have Mike Smith do it?

I am trying to see how our bottom 6 stacks up compared to other teams main bottom 6 lineups.

From what I see, Edmonton's bottom 6 has:

Edmonton - 6G 6A 12P

Toronto - 12G 7A 19P

Boston - 15G 17A 32P

Calgary - 9G 12A 21P

Carolina - 5G 14A 19P

Colorado - 6G 4A 10P

Dallas - 9G 12A 21P

LA - 15G 23A 38P

NJ- 15G 19A 34P

We are Atrocious in the bottom 6. Year after year

Yep, basically checks out. The Oilers have a lumbering corpse of a bottom 6. McDavid should've been awarded a Conn Smythe trophy for dragging a half dead roster to a Conference Finals.

 

[harpoon]

Holland saw us get massacred in the semifinals and what did he do this offseason? Did he make an attempt to improve our lineup in any way, shape, or form?

I mean this whole thread is ridiculous and I shouldn’t even be giving it attention by posting in it, but the specious claims being made here need to be challenged. Please answer the following questions.

So you’d rather not have Kane resigned then?
You would have just walked away from both Puljujarvi and Yamamoto?
You wouldn’t have attempted to address the issue of a starter?

Holland addressed those three issues. You may not approve of the way he went about it, but the NHL is not a charity league. Players expect to get paid now more than ever.

Once those three things were done, what did Holland have left to spend? Pennies. The kind of coin that gets you roster fill like Murray, Janmark and Kostin.

Early returns suggest that he may have made the wrong call on two of those three issues. And if he did, well, you know Oiler fans, he’ll have his feet held to the fire for it. But to sit here and suggest that no attempt was made to improve the roster is absurd.

PS - it wasn’t a ‘massacre’.

The first game was a debacle by Smith letting in six goals on 25 shots. Avs scored an EN to win by two. I firmly believe that if Smith hadn’t completely shit the bed in GM 1, the series would have gone differently.

Second game the Oilers were soundly outplayed.

Third game the Avs again scored an EN to win by two. Oilers were in the game.

Fourth game was an OT win.

Yes they lost in four, but that’s no ‘massacre’.

 

[Chabot84]

Bouchard to quarter back number 1 powerplay would make a difference. He should be used as our number 1 OFD we should be feeding him one timers all night

 

[Spawn]

Bouchard to quarter back number 1 powerplay would make a difference. He should be used as our number 1 OFD we should be feeding him one timers all night

Bouchard on the #1 PP unit is going to solve the teams inability to defend or get a save?

 

[JustNapalmIt]

Bouchard to quarter back number 1 powerplay would make a difference. He should be used as our number 1 OFD we should be feeding him one timers all night

Yeah, I dont think thats fixin what needs to be fixed.

Imagine if we went with the rumoured + obvious moves? Adding Kubalik + Domi + not singing Campbell. Lmao.

Holland saw us get massacred in the semifinals and what did he do this offseason? Did he make an attempt to improve our lineup in any way, shape, or form?

Compare our roster to the one that lost to Colorado. We moved out one sieve for another. Anything else? We are nowhere closer to being a contender than we were last playoffs. An entire offseason to make trades and signings to improve the team, as is his job. Numerous glaring weaknesses.

Not a single one filled.

I luv guys who make pronouncements after 10 games. Just like last year, the usual suspects end up looking oh so foolish.

 

[Louis Cypher]

Troll Thread.

 

[Oilslick941611]

You can be satisfied with it. I'm not. Especially since Holland didn't do anything to address the issues which saw the Oilers get swept.

You will never be pleased.